Skins from the SFV area.

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Skins from the SFV area.

Unread post by nela_4lyf » March 7th, 2004, 8:19 pm

Last night i was with my wife at the Northridge Town Center doing some shopping and i noticed two "cholo like" gangsters standing a few feet away from where i was at. Both were white and were tatted down, from neck to sleeve etc. They both looked at me, but never showed hostility. They were in line waiting for their turn. One of them had "818" tatted on his arm and the hemp leaf on the back of his head. They were both wearing white Ben Davis, the way gangsters wore them during the early 90's. Here's my question, what are the gangs (white) in the SFV area and are racist?

Are all white gangs racist?

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Unread post by AcmeWhiteBread » March 7th, 2004, 9:27 pm

hmm, with the weed leaf, most likely non racist street hooligans. There are non racist skins. Racist skins are in two types, the hardcore Nazi who hates drugs and drug users, and the one dresses closer to G-Style and usually has a meth or heroin problem. Those are prison born racists not really into the ideology of national socialism

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Unread post by JD » March 8th, 2004, 10:52 am

nela_4lyf wrote:Last night i was with my wife at the Northridge Town Center doing some shopping and i noticed two "cholo like" gangsters standing a few feet away from where i was at. Both were white and were tatted down, from neck to sleeve etc. They both looked at me, but never showed hostility. They were in line waiting for their turn. One of them had "818" tatted on his arm and the hemp leaf on the back of his head. They were both wearing white Ben Davis, the way gangsters wore them during the early 90's. Here's my question, what are the gangs (white) in the SFV area and are racist?

Are all white gangs racist?


They were probably San Fernando Valley Peckerwoods. Those are the only whites I ever see dressing like that in the valley. Most of the time they aren't even really members of the peckerwoods they just dress like cholos. The areas where you'll see SFVs the most is in San Fernando/Sylmar area and in West Hills/Woodland Hills. About them being racist yeah towards blacks but they are so spread out not all of them think the same. So some are some aren't. It'd be dumb for them to be racist against mexicans because they dress like mexican gangsters and kiss ass to the eses from what i've seen.

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Unread post by AcmeWhiteBread » March 13th, 2004, 8:43 pm

There is no "gang" called " The Peckerwoods". Some groups of guys might call themselves The OC Peckerwoods or whatever but Peckerwood is all white boys who dont claim real affiliation like NLR or Peni etc. Yes there are dudes who have adopted a style of dress that is based on Mexican G Style and then that can be somewhat traced to pen clothing to some degree.. White boys were the orginal cruiser's and low riders even if the did not gravitate torward an actual lowered car like the chicanos did. It was more like greaser on wheels. I remeber when mexicans had a much more 50's style going on and that can be seen as a copy of the 50 white drag race car culture. A simple example would be American Graffiti. Check out the dudes claiming " Pharohs". They even had a chicano rider.

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Unread post by choisauce » March 21st, 2004, 8:25 pm

Peckerwood is a common term used for White people, but I have heard of an actual gang called "Peckerwoods." I think JD has his info right.

Nela 4 lyf, yeah, I've seen the same kind of White guys here and there around the Valley. I've even seen some dudes who looked straight out of the South, wearing overalls and boots or something like that. I've seen them with swastikas tatted on them and whatever, but weird thing is, I've never run into one who actually started trouble.

I've actually met a few White people like that who probably are g's, but they're actually really friendly and cordial.

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Unread post by AcmeWhiteBread » March 21st, 2004, 8:55 pm

Hmm, well I am not in the loop as I once was. I have completly divorced myself from the attitude of the street being that it was knowlage that only brought me down. However I am white, done time, of course I was in the woodpile, OC CAR. At that time there was know gang called peckerwood.
As for Swastika tattoos and overall's, thats a common authentic wood look.
The Swastika is just used to represent ethnicity. I know it may have originated in China, but its latest popularity came from Germany. Most times dude gets a Swaistika is inside the pen. It usually earned by an act of violence. As for attitude, the white supremacy movement of the skinhead era is dead, at least here in Ca. It was a fruitless endevour of no value. White Supremacy will only surface again if there are bread lines and soup kitchen's. Whites are the ultimate consumer whores, give them beer, new boats, a chick who will do other chicks for ya and they have no use for anything else. We are now and have always been the minority in the world and without question been the most envied. But, we like all humans are not without our short coming's and when White America decided to enslave blacks and others, there lower nature of greed sealed this countries fate. It will always be a multi racial society and not the white vision of the founding fathers. And they were ALL racially concious as some of all races are. Ithink 90% of whites are non racist and usually are the most passionate about ending racism. I dont think most blacks know or will acknowlage that, but then that would take away a lot of the excuses for their own behavior.

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Unread post by Common Sense » March 21st, 2004, 9:25 pm

Well there are just as many black racist as whites.

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Unread post by Panik » March 21st, 2004, 11:23 pm

I don't think there was ever a gang called the peckerwoods either. Whites in the pen just call themselves that. My brother has 100% Peckerwood till the Dirt Hits the Box tatted on his chest. He's not in any gang, he just spent too much time in the pen with knuckleheads.

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Unread post by JD » March 22nd, 2004, 12:31 am

AcmeWhiteBread wrote:There is no "gang" called " The Peckerwoods". Some groups of guys might call themselves The OC Peckerwoods or whatever but Peckerwood is all white boys who dont claim real affiliation like NLR or Peni etc. Yes there are dudes who have adopted a style of dress that is based on Mexican G Style and then that can be somewhat traced to pen clothing to some degree.. White boys were the orginal cruiser's and low riders even if the did not gravitate torward an actual lowered car like the chicanos did. It was more like greaser on wheels. I remeber when mexicans had a much more 50's style going on and that can be seen as a copy of the 50 white drag race car culture. A simple example would be American Graffiti. Check out the dudes claiming " Pharohs". They even had a chicano rider.


I'm 100% sure there is a gang in the valley called the San Fernando Valley Peckerwoods one because I went to high school with people who claimed affiliation to the san fernando valley peckerwoods and 2 because i've met people who have uncles and dads who are members of SFV peckerwoods (even have SFV tatted on them). I've seen people with hats that say S.F.V. and sometimes but it's rare you might see a hit up that says SFV. Now some people might say that might have been done by someone from San Fer but it's not because they hit up SF or VSF and there is no other gang that claims SFV in valley except for the peckerwoods. So they are a gang but they don't work like other mexican and black gangs in the valley. They don't claim areas or hold down neighborhoods and they are known for being pussies because if they ever do start shit with anyone they either are outnumbering them or attacking an old black man or some other bitch shit. They don't get into shit with gangs and the only beef i've heard of was San Fer putting them in check. They've been around atleast since the 60s or even before that and originated in the San Fernando City area but now they're scattered around the valley.

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Unread post by Panik » March 22nd, 2004, 2:31 am

are you sure that these aren't just some whiteboys that have done time and are woods that happen to be from SFV? That's what it sounds like to me. Just like you might run into some whiteboys With OC tats, and peckerwood tats. That doesn't mean theres a gang called OC Peckerwoods, there just woods that are from orange county and have done county or state time.

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Unread post by JD » March 22nd, 2004, 3:24 am

Panik wrote:are you sure that these aren't just some whiteboys that have done time and are woods that happen to be from SFV? That's what it sounds like to me. Just like you might run into some whiteboys With OC tats, and peckerwood tats. That doesn't mean theres a gang called OC Peckerwoods, there just woods that are from orange county and have done county or state time.


I'm more than sure. There is no gang called the SFV it's always the SFV peckerwoods. I don't know why that's so hard to believe. I'm mexican not white, I know nothing of skinheads (except for the peckerwoods in the valley) or white power groups I hate those fools with a passion. The only reason I'm speaking on this is because I grew up out here and I know for a fact that they do exist. Want more proof, I found this article on them.

and this also goes to show that they are known for doing pussy ass shit.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/cac/pr/pr2000/120.htm

NORTH HILLS MAN TO PLEAD GUILTY TO FEDERAL HATE CRIME
FOR SPRAY PAINTING THREATENING WHITE SUPREMACIST MESSAGES
ON GRANADA HILLS RESIDENCE OWNED BY EGYPTIAN MAN

A North Hills man was charged today with a federal criminal civil rights violation for spray painting threatening white supremacist symbols such as swastikas and Nazi symbols on the exterior of a house owned by an Egyptian man in Granada Hills, United States Attorney Alejandro N. Mayorkas announced.
Joshua Hass, 20, was named today in a criminal information filed in United States District Court in Los Angeles. Hass is charged with interfering with the housing rights of the victim by covering the front of a Granada Hills home with spray painted white supremacist symbols and slogans on January 5, 1998. Six large swastikas, the letters “SFV” to represent the skinhead gang San Fernando Valley Peckerwoods, a pair of lightening bolts to symbolize those worn on the uniform of German Nazi soldiers during World War II, and the words “White Power” were among the symbols and slogans Hass painted on the residence, which was owned by an Egyptian man who was preparing to rent the house. The hate crime committed by Hass is a federal offense because Hass interfered with the victim's federally protected housing rights and acted because of the victim’s race, color, and national origin. This is the first hate crime case prosecuted in the Central District of California involving an Arab victim.
Hass has agreed to plead guilty to one count of interfering with the victim’s housing rights. In documents filed today in United States District Court, Hass agreed to plead guilty to the one-count criminal information and admitted that “[b]y vandalizing the house with white supremacist symbols, [Hass] intended to intimidate and interfere with the owner of the house because of his perceived national origin, and because he was occupying the house in preparation for renting it.” Hass is expected to plead guilty pursuant to the plea agreement filed today.
“This defendant, through his heinous crime of hate, has sought to create divisiveness where instead unity should prevail,” said Alejandro N. Mayorkas, United States Attorney. “Through our aggressive prosecution, we confirm our commitment to protect the civil rights of all our residents and to help preserve the unity that should define us as one community.”
“Hate has no place in our civilized society,” said Bill Lann Lee, Acting Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights. “The Department of Justice will not hesitate to prosecute perpetrators of these types of cowardly acts to the fullest extent of the law.”
Hass is scheduled to be arraigned on the hate crime charge on July 31, 2000. The charge contained in the criminal information is a misdemeanor because the victim was not physically injured by Hass. Therefore, Hass faces a maximum possible sentence of one year in federal prison.
This case is the result of an investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and was prosecuted with the assistance of the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division.

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Unread post by JD » March 22nd, 2004, 3:41 am

here's a few more articles on them. Some of the things in these articles don't line up with what I know because I know of old schoolers from SFV in their 40s/50s and the article says it started in the 90s? It seems like the younger members of this are more from the west valley area and the older ones are from the San Fernando/north east valley area. But either way this proves that they are a gang.

http://www.pacificnet.net/jue/nonhumor/ ... 80109.html

A recent national report by the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles said Peckerwoods have distinguished themselves from traditional skinheads by recruiting inside prisons and by raising funds trading in illegal drugs and guns.

"This is the next evolution of skinheads," said T.J. Leyden, a former recruiter for the White Aryan Resistance, who now speaks out against hate groups. He said the San Fernando Valley Peckerwoods were started by former prison inmates in the early 1990s, and now have as many as 150 members.


http://www.maryellenmark.com/text/magaz ... /225P.html

The picture was obviously taken in prison. "That's Madness," she said. "He's twenty-three. He says he's in love with me, but he knows I can't get over Jaxon. He's in for armed robbery. I didn't know him too well before he went to jail, but then we started writing letters. He's S.F.V. Peckerwood." The Peckerwoods are a white gang, known mainly for mindless violence and methamphetamine dealing. They're big in the Antelope Valley but, some say, they're bigger in the San Fernando Valley, or S.F.V. They're biggest of all in prison.

http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/200 ... r03leb.htm

Skinhead groups subdivide into two categories: criminally motivated and hate motivated. Criminally motivated skinhead groups spend most of their time engaged in for-profit criminal activities, such as drug sales and burglaries. Incidental to their criminal activity, they commit hate crimes. The San Fernando Valley Peckerwoods (SVP) in California was a criminally motivated skinhead group. SVP members primarily sold meth-amphetamines and committed residential burglaries. Periodically, SVP members attacked minorities with weapons and, on one occasion, placed packages resembling bombs near an apartment complex where African-Americans lived. Members intended for the fake bombs to frighten current residents to relocate and to discourage other African-American families from moving into the complex.

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Unread post by AcmeWhiteBread » March 22nd, 2004, 9:03 pm

Yeah just pu*sy a*s stuff. They dont have the " balls" to drive by someone and shoot them. And not to mention doing for no good reason, and then getting caught and going to prison or death row for the rest of your life. They dont do that because you have everything to lose and nothing to gain. And all that speaks to is the fact that they are not as stupid as those who do that stupid sh*t. Better to cook dope, get paid, and collect chicks. And let you fools kill each other.....

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Unread post by JD » March 24th, 2004, 3:04 pm

AcmeWhiteBread wrote:Yeah just pu*sy a*s stuff. They dont have the " balls" to drive by someone and shoot them. And not to mention doing for no good reason, and then getting caught and going to prison or death row for the rest of your life. They dont do that because you have everything to lose and nothing to gain. And all that speaks to is the fact that they are not as stupid as those who do that stupid sh*t. Better to cook dope, get paid, and collect chicks. And let you fools kill each other.....


if they didn't really get into any problems then that's what they do. But when you go and beat up old defenseless people or defenseless non white people in general then yeah you are pussies and you do get prison time for assault and battery. So everything you just said does not apply to them.

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Unread post by K1LLJOY » March 25th, 2004, 8:34 pm

its like this 90% of all skin groups are pussy a-s h-es all they do is atack
people who cant defend ther selves and they gota outnumber you in order for them to do something to you the only white group to do real work is NAZI LOW RIDERS

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Unread post by AcmeWhiteBread » March 27th, 2004, 8:04 pm

Well your buying into a lie. There are plenty of skinheads who are nothing like what you described. Thats just some guy going off of media and biased BS. I have done time with some very big and crazy skinheads who will go head up with anyone. Ask around about Popeye from PENI. He gets respect from everyone in the joint.

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Unread post by Panik » March 27th, 2004, 8:53 pm

Popeye just used to pick on little highschool kids in anaheim hills dog. If he got respect in the pen, they must not be knowin him. My homie put hands on him bad back in the days for that shi-. He also got tossed up at the strawberry festival by some esses too. The only people he ever did anything to was some little rich highscool kids that couldn't defend himself. Whenever he ran into some real mf'ers, it was a different story. His little brother is a trick too. Snake LOL. he uysed to run from any kind of conflict. You better pull the file on your heros Acme, cuz those two are busters. Just your average bullys that can't hang with anyone who's willing to get down with them. They were only tuff guys when they were f'ing with bookworms or outnumbered someone.

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Unread post by JD » March 28th, 2004, 7:09 pm

AcmeWhiteBread wrote:Well your buying into a lie. There are plenty of skinheads who are nothing like what you described. Thats just some guy going off of media and biased BS. I have done time with some very big and crazy skinheads who will go head up with anyone. Ask around about Popeye from PENI. He gets respect from everyone in the joint.


I hope your not talking about me going off of the media and i'm not biased. I only talk about what I know and i've had first hand experiences with these fools. It's not like i'm in new york and talking about la like I know what's going on, I live out here man. Now your the one who's biased, you didn't even know that these guys existed and yet your trying to defend them. I am not speaking on skinheads in other parts of california I don't know what they do, I have never had any confrontations with them so can not and will not say anything about them. I never said all skinheads are pussies even though I have a dislike for them I just said the ones I've come across in the valley are.

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Unread post by AcmeWhiteBread » April 4th, 2004, 10:39 am

It was another day on the yard at Wasco. I was waiting to catch a chain and just sittin up in the pile. Out of my left eye I see 3 Peni heads walking with intent. They were led by Popye. I didnt need the practice, I knew it was jumping off so I readied myself. Popye ran up on a group of NO LESS THAN 8 crips and dove straight into them with two backing him up. He stabbed one guy real good, and then got beat down. It was a for real 5 minute alteraction. Dont know what he was like as a kid. Dont know his brother. Do know I belive none of what I jear and half of what I see. I saw it, and the new war bird tattoo he had 6 weeks out of the hole. What can i say, I worship no man. Just calling it how I see it.

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Unread post by Panik » April 5th, 2004, 8:51 am

Well, I don't know about popeye being a kid, I know he was runnin the PENI's down in OC already when in the early 90's and he was already a grown man. that's what was sorry. He was already a few years outta highschool and used to go parking lot bang an 10th grade bookworm minority kids with no gang affiliation. He beat down a whole lotta kids with his old ass until he ran into one that wasn't no bookworm. Never came back again, and the anaheim PENI's died out within a year. He was their "superman" the only one that was anything at all, and they all did worship him. Once they saw him get beat like a bitch, and not even come back, his whole crew scattered. I don't really care what he does in the Pen when he has people to back him up. I bet when he gets out he wont bring that shi back to OC cuz someone'll cap his ass. Ain't one Peni in OC that got any kind of weight to their name. Like I said, the Suicidals smash on peni, ant their just a group of damn longhairs. Probably not more than 50 active in all OC.

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Unread post by AcmeWhiteBread » April 9th, 2004, 12:06 pm

In the pen, suicidals, peni, LMP, skinhead dogs, cross family, Thors Hammer Kindred, Raven Kindred all hang together. Could be a different Popeye. The one I saw is Donald Mazza, and like I said, he was way out numbered and went into a full out attack. Beyond that, I have no idea. PENI is very strong in the pen, at least 2- 300 members. Nothing compared to the South Siders, but they are there and you know it when you are in there with them. I do know one thing, you cant talk shit in the pen for too long. He does not have a rep for being down because of his mouth. He is down, he might have been practicing on kids in the street, but in there that wont fly. So whatever, you can never really judge an outlaw untill you have done time with them cause it all comes out inside, cant hide.

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Unread post by Panik » April 9th, 2004, 12:15 pm

I'm pretty sure it's the same guy. I doubt there are 2 popeyes that are supposed to be PENI og's, or whatever they call themselves. This guy was supposed to be like their leader back in 91 and 92. As for the suicidals and peni thing, maybe it's just on the streets and in county, but PENI is the suicidals main enemy. Their only enemy really, at least in OC. And if he grew some balls in the pen, more poiwer to him. But he will still be the guy that used to beat up little rich black and asian kids that were 5 years younger than him and half his size. And I bet you when or if he gets out, he will stay his ass in HB, becasue he isn't safe anywhere else.

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