MS-13 and thier rivals

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MS-13 and thier rivals

Unread post by Vincetheprince » June 24th, 2008, 11:22 pm

Who are MS-13's rivals? And I don't want to hear hating on them...they're real....can anyone with experience answer this question and give details

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Unread post by Azure9920 » June 25th, 2008, 3:46 pm

It's not like a real defined Crip/Blood rivalry...they probably beef with anyone in the areas they're at....ABK

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Unread post by Vincetheprince » June 25th, 2008, 4:22 pm

Ya I think you're right because my homie who has family in LA in MS-13 told me they had beefs with bloods, and I looked up MS and they have songs against Bloods, and I know for a fact that they beef with Mara 18 AKA 18 st.

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Unread post by MIROLLO » October 8th, 2008, 9:15 am

Like most migrant gangs rivalries vary with the area...But some rivalries are deeply rooted no matter where a gang might be located...One of these such rivalries that la Mara Salvatrucha has of course would be with the Eighteenth Street gang...But of course those wouldn't be their only enemies in or outside of L.A....Here in the Houston area they have been in conflict with the South West Cholos13 gang...They have been wall banging over certain spots in Houston's south-west side...I had heard these two groups where allies at one time,but I don't really know much about all that...Another conflict would be with a gang called Crazy Boyz Crew or Crazy Crew Boyz,ither way they are known as Crazy Crew 13...They are located inside the south-western part of the 610 innerloop,in an area known as the Montrose,inbetween the outskirts of Uptown and Midtown Houston...This gang was on the news for awhile after a gang fight between them and MS turned into a homicide,back in June of 2006...A girl associated with the Crazy Crew stabbed an MS member "in self defense" during the fight which occured in Evan Chew Park on Dunlavy going south past Richmond Ave.,but not past the bridge that goes over U.S. Hwy 59 South(SouthWest Freeway),in Crazy Crew territory...The media was all over that one,especially since la Mara Salvatrucha was involved,giving that the world news has given them alot of spot lights in the recent years...Apart from that I really don't know much about who they are beefing with in this city...They are somewhere in the south-west side and mostly I have seen their hit ups but never seen or meet any of them...I have heard they are in the north-west side aswell but don't know...In the Lower Rio Grande Valley of South Texas it is said they have been put in their own tank within the countyjail so that they do not become targets of attacks...This I heard was in Hidalgo County in the westend(side) of the valley...They ain't got turfs in any valley city,as far as I know...What it is is that most of these MS are from it's illegal ranks who have been caught when crossing into the borderlands...So they have been put in separation from the general population or other valley gangs...Since they got a sorts of greenlight on them down there,so it has been said...This goes all the way down towards the northern Mexican city of Monterrey in the state of Nuevo Leon...Gangsters in Monterrey have been rumoured to have said that no Mara Salvatrucha would be allowed to start up in their city...This is not a recent declaration it's like half a decade old or so...Anyhow that's all I know about that for now.............Thee Original1. Puro Valle 956 & McAllito 4Lifers...

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Unread post by Madshopgirl69 » February 15th, 2009, 5:28 pm

MS 13 Is not your run of the mill "Gang" they are very organized they have beef with anyone or anything that gets in there way. They are involved in human trafficking, drugs, rape, mutilations, they are quite apt with "machates" . Heres a lil piece I found along the way..........

(CBS) Brenda Paz was just what law enforcement needed: someone who could break open the secret world of one of the most dangerous street gangs in America – the gang called Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13. The 16-year-old informant provided a critical window into a gang that, authorities say, has infiltrated 33 states, with hardcore members organizing drug trafficking, gun running, robberies, and assassinations.

As correspondent Dan Rather reports, perhaps nothing underscored how far the gang would go to maintain its criminal empire than what happened to Brenda Paz: she was murdered one year after she began cooperating with police.


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In 2002, Brenda Paz admitted what many wouldn't dare - that she was a member of the inner circle of the brutal gang MS-13. Fearing charges for a murder she had witnessed, Brenda started telling police what she knew.

“They wanna be the top gang, the top Hispanic gang. That's what they want. They want to be the one with the most killings, the most murders,” Brenda told police investigators in an interview that was videotaped.

Two decades ago, refugees from the long, bloody civil war in El Salvador started the gang in Los Angeles. It has spread across the U.S., with an estimated 10,000 members organized in loosely-knit cliques, or cells. And Brenda Paz, who had settled in Virginia, knew this world better than most, as Detective Bob Freeman of the U.S. Park Police soon learned.

Det. Freeman says Brenda had extensive knowledge about MS-13 that law enforcement didn’t have. Simple things, like "what certain hand signs mean.”

Freeman says he was not surprised how much she knew about the gang. “It was her life. It was everything she had,” he explained.

She was just the type of person the gang recruits. Brenda was born in Honduras and raised in a broken home in a poor area of Los Angeles. Most females are initiated into the gang through sex, but at age 13, Brenda endured the traditional male initiation rite of being “jumped in” or beaten by gang members for 13 seconds. Tough and charming, her nickname in the gang was Smiley. She dated a high ranking member and traveled with him across the country, where she’d seen MS-13 mark its territory with violent crimes.

Det. Freeman says Brenda gave police decisive or near-decisive information on at least 60 cases and that most of the information checked out.

She also told authorities she was ready to start a new life and escape the gang’s creed, which is summed up in one of its signature tattoos, a tattoo of three dots. “The three dots are my crazy life. We adopted it for a gang in L.A. that's tres puntos. But we gave it our own signification, the three places MS will lead you – jail, hospital or the cemetery,” Brenda told investigators.

Her words were prophetic. Within the year, she was found murdered on the banks of the Shenandoah River. She had been stabbed repeatedly and her throat had been slit. And the autopsy revealed something else: she was four months pregnant.

“MS13 has rules, you understand?,” says Ismael Cisneros, who is serving life in prison for Brenda’s murder. “And when you break the rules, we all have to decide if you deserve to die.”

Talking to police, Cisneros says, was breaking one of the gangs rules.

“I considered her a friend. She was a gang member. She was a home boy. That's what we called one another in the gang,” he says.

And as a homeboy, Brenda knew the rules. She had initially gone into the federal witness protection program, but after she got pregnant, she was so isolated that she went back to Virginia. She was convinced that no one knew she was working with police. But Det. Freeman, who investigated Brenda’s death, said the gang was spying on its own members.

“Mr. Cisneros was recorded and he's actually talking about conducting a private investigation into whether or not she's cooperating with law enforcement,” says Freeman.

Not only does MS-13 conduct investigations of its own, but like a corporate organization, most cliques have regular meetings where they discuss recruiting, money and murder – what they call a “greenlight.”

According to witnesses, the gang took a unanimous vote in a hotel that Brenda should be assassinated. The next morning, she was lured away on a fishing trip with her new boyfriend, Oscar Grande, and her friend, Ismael Cisneros.

A former MS-13 member who is now in jail on an ammunition possession charge and asked 60 Minutes not to use his name, went with them.

“I was facing the river. You know, I was watching, I was enjoying the view. Was summertime. It was nice place. And they was behind me fixing the fishing pole. And I turn my face. I see for couple seconds that she was get stabbing. And I freak out and I run away,” he recalled.

Asked to confirm if he saw the stabbing of Brenda Paz, he answered “Yes.”

She was stabbed by her boyfriend Oscar Grande and Ismael Cisneros, who later confessed. He said she had called out “Why?” “Because you’re a rat” she was told. They stabbed her approximately 13 times.

“One is not born an assassin or born practicing where you have to stab someone to kill a person on the first try. I would have wanted for her not to have suffered, you understand? From the point where I was, it was painful for me. Everything that happened. And it keeps being painful even up to right now,” says Cisneros.

But Brenda suffered the ultimate.

“We have all suffered, sir. Brenda suffered, we all suffered. Not only Brenda,” Cisneros told 60 Minutes.

The three men were tried, along with another gang member, for Brenda’s murder. Cisneros and Grande were convicted and sentenced to life in prison. The third man at the scene, whom prosecutors alleged held a rope around her neck, took the stand in his own defense and was acquitted.

60 Minutes talked to one of Brenda’s closest friends in MS-13, who was disguised extensively because of the risk to her life.

What’s the most important thing for people to know about the gang?

“They’re dangerous. They’re very dangerous,” she explained.

She was so outraged by her friend’s murder that she decided to do what Brenda had done: break ranks and testify.

She says she didn’t care that she might be possibly marked for death for testifying. “There's a baby involved. I mean, you have to be sick to actually hold a rope around somebody's neck, hear her screaming and fighting, being tortured and stabbed multiple times in the stomach, legs, and just dying,” she said.

She said that Brenda’s murder was a sign of how MS-13 was starting to transform itself into a more elaborate criminal organization.

“It's everywhere. There's MS in New York. There's MS in Florida. I mean, they're everywhere. Texas, Virginia, Minnesota,” she said.

She says the gang is in the drug trafficking business, and more. “They traffic guns, drugs, whatever. Stolen cars.”

And she says the worst thing she saw was rape. “Young girls being taken into the bathroom and one would go in and one would come out. Another one would go in, come out. And you just hear screaming and sometimes just get quiet.”

And, authorities say, cliques send representatives to regional meetings, as seen on a police surveillance tape, where they dole out punishment for violating rules and they talk about expansion. And that’s increasingly worrying to the head of the investigative division at the FBI, Assistant Director Chris Swecker.

The FBI has just formed a special task force to deal with a big gang for the first time. Why?

“Well, with respect to MS-13, we don't look at them as a typical gang. MS-13 has two characteristics that give us great concern and have drawn our attention. One is that they are extremely violent, and they're proliferating around the country. Two is they're an international criminal organization. They're not confined in the United States. You can find them in five countries. And now even in Europe,” says Swecker.
Initial attempts to fight the gang with deportation contributed to its spread throughout Mexico and Central America, where there are now an estimated 50,000 members. In Honduras, in retaliation for the government’s crackdown on the gang, MS-13 allegedly opened fire on a bus and killed 28 people last December.

And deportations are still a large part of U.S. strategy. Under a nine-month-old program called “Operation Community Shield,” more than 1,600 gang members, including almost 800 members of MS-13, have been arrested and hundreds have been deported.

Ismael Cisneros doesn’t think deportation is an effective tool. “They deported me and I came back and everyone they deport is going to come back.”

Cisneros, who now says he has left the gang, was deported to Mexico after he had stabbed someone in Virginia in 1999. That was four years before he killed Brenda.

Swecker admits the return of the deportees to the United States is frustrating. “It’s very frustrating. Deportation is a very good strategy. It’s a low intensity effort that churns up activity churns up activity but we think the best way to go at them is to jail ‘em and get them off the streets.”

The Department of Homeland Security says deportation is also a useful tool when there isn’t enough evidence to prosecute a criminal case. Meanwhile, in September, the FBI led simultaneous raids of MS-13 in five countries that netted 650 suspects in 24 hours. At that time, Swecker was optimistic about how long it would take to bring down the gang, setting a goal of about a year and a half.

But he admits that may not be a realistic timeframe.

What does Swecker think is a reasonable time frame for breaking MS-13?

“I think a more reasonable time frame is probably three to five years. We’ll never wipe them out completely, I don’t think. But I think we – our goal is to get them to a stage where they’re not a criminal force,” he says.

Meanwhile, the man who was acquitted for Brenda’s murder after testifying in his own defense is facing deportation himself. His lawyers, Frank Salvato and Alex Levay, are fighting to keep him in the country.

“He testified and identified two fellow gang members as participants in the murder that took place. He endangered himself and his family by doing so,” says Levay.

“We have a real fear that if he is deported, that he will have escaped one death sentence in the United States but face another death sentence in El Salvador,” adds Salvato.

“I’m nervous. I’m still nervous about that,” he told 60 Minutes. “They’ll kill me. My family is in danger right now because I take the stand.”

Because, as Brenda told police, MS-13 never forgets.

“Sooner or later, everything gets handled. If it takes you 20 years, oh it’ll take you 20 years, but in that 20 years hell’s going to break loose. Sooner or later, everything always gets handled. That’s our motto,” she told investigators.

What about Brenda’s close friend who agreed to testify? What does she think her chances are to stay alive?

“None. I mean, I can keep myself safe and away from them. But I mean, if they were to find me, it's not like they would, you know, give me any mercy,” she said.

Does she expect to be alive in two years?

“Well, I hope so,” she said.


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During the course of reporting this story, another federal witness in this case was drawn back into the gang and murdered at an MS-13 meeting in El Salvador. Police say she was killed by a rival gang.

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Unread post by youngspade » February 21st, 2009, 4:55 pm

Put 2 together If your Smart BUT.....




They clicked up with someone you least expect.

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Unread post by MENACE18 » August 20th, 2009, 12:58 am

FOR 18ST THEYRES TWO WAYS PEOPLE SAY MS AND 18 STARTED BEEFIN,THEY GOT THE VERSION WHERE MS WAS A PARTY CREW AND THEY WERE COOL WITH 18 AND PARTYED TOGETHER,BUT AT A PARTY SOME1 FROM 18 GOT IN A FIGHT WITH A MS AND THE 18STREETER GOT SHOT AND DIED AND THAT STARTED THE BEEF,THATS BS,HOW MS AND 18 STARTED WAS WHEN the IMMIGRANTS CAME 18ST AND OTHER HOODS WOULD GIVE THEM A ROUGH TIME SO MS WAS MADE AND EVER SINCE THEN 18 NEVER LIKE THEM,NO HOOD IN LA OR ANYWHERE ELSE I KNOW IS COOL WITH MS

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Unread post by MENACE18 » August 20th, 2009, 1:00 am

Vincetheprince wrote:Ya I think you're right because my homie who has family in LA in MS-13 told me they had beefs with bloods, and I looked up MS and they have songs against Bloods, and I know for a fact that they beef with Mara 18 AKA 18 st.
MONKEY SHIT HAS SONGS ,IVE HEARD ENEMY RAPS AND MOST ARE GOOD,I WUDNT BUMP THEM CUZ THEY MY RIVALS AND IVE HEARD ONLY 1 SONG OF MS AND THAT SHIT WAS WHACK ASS FUCK,COULDNT UNDERSTAND THE LAME MIERDA

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Unread post by caliboi » December 20th, 2010, 11:16 pm

herd most of their rivals are other surenos, nortenos, latin kings, other mexican gangs, bloods, crips, people nation, and sum folks but i herd dey ally with sum folks idk for sure... i think i read they r rivals with trg n abz two of the biggest asian gangs in usa.

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Unread post by mrinteresting » December 21st, 2010, 2:36 pm

caliboi wrote:herd most of their rivals are other surenos, nortenos, latin kings, other mexican gangs, bloods, crips, people nation, and sum folks but i herd dey ally with sum folks idk for sure... i think i read they r rivals with trg n abz two of the biggest asian gangs in usa.
once again this caliboi sucka.... u dunno shit bout ms 13 son.. u herd son frm where frm the net cmon man.... just shut the mess up and stop talkin bout gangs if u dunno shit aite.. their biggest rivals are 18th street u f tard and their rivals with other sureno hoods and crips n bloods idk bout folks and ppls tho but dey rarely have allies and wtf trg n abz i neva herda dem goin at it where u gettin this shit from

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Unread post by judastaugamma » September 2nd, 2011, 6:34 am

mrinteresting wrote:
caliboi wrote:herd most of their rivals are other surenos, nortenos, latin kings, other mexican gangs, bloods, crips, people nation, and sum folks but i herd dey ally with sum folks idk for sure... i think i read they r rivals with trg n abz two of the biggest asian gangs in usa.
once again this caliboi sucka.... u dunno shit bout ms 13 son.. u herd son frm where frm the net cmon man.... just shut the mess up and stop talkin bout gangs if u dunno shit aite.. their biggest rivals are 18th street u f tard and their rivals with other sureno hoods and crips n bloods idk bout folks and ppls tho but dey rarely have allies and wtf trg n abz i neva herda dem goin at it where u gettin this shit from
mara salvatrucha has had run ins with abz and trg.

i've heard of a few stories about ms vs. abz or ms vs. trg on the east coast. don't know how serious though and not too sure about that 411.

i'm from l.a. though so i don't know what goes on in massachusetts , rhode island , virginia or wherever else those gangs are on the east coast.


i'm from the san fernando valley so when i was younger i knew of a few cases of sepulveda/north hollywood ms and van nuys abz clashing.

the ones i remember:

ms accidently shot one of the van nuys abz dad once. they were shooting at tank from valerio st. (valerio st. and abz use to share the same hood when they got along before) the ms shot tank from valerio st. a few times (fat ass didn't die though) but a stray bullet hit one of the abz dad. he was just injured and didn't die.

ms flashed a .45 on abz in northridge or winnetka , abz had a bunch of guns and started chasing them. they got into a shootout. an ms got killed.

ms moved into valerio gardens (abz apartments in van nuys) they got into it with a long beach efcc (long beach gang clicked up with long beach abz). the efcc asked for abz to back him up and an abz shotgunned 2 of the ms. i think 1 of them died. the efcc is doing time for it but the van nuys abz that did the shooting fled out of state. don't know if they eventually caught him.

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Unread post by SDmofo » September 4th, 2011, 6:08 am

judastaugamma wrote: i've heard of a few stories about ms vs. abz or ms vs. trg on the east coast. don't know how serious though and not too sure about that 411.

i'm from l.a. though so i don't know what goes on in massachusetts , rhode island , virginia or wherever else those gangs are on the east coast.
Yeah they beef on the east coast. In Virginia TRG and MS were beefing for a long time.

In Providence, MS beefs with LPG/ABZ. But the Southeast Asian gangs in Providence have their shit on lock.

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