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Unread postby xxx » January 12th, 2015, 5:53 pm

These dudes that killed all those people in Paris France were street thugs & rappers. Are the gangs in Paris filled with Muslim youth? Were you familiar with these dudes and the Neighborhood they came out off?

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Unread postby bgcasper » January 13th, 2015, 7:22 am

yes of course 2 are from 19 and one the blacc is from 91 grigny a friendly hood to us in the south of paris ...the story smell bad now you can be shure right wing extremist have a lot more chance to win next election and french muslim minority will suffer that why i wonder who is really behind those attacks no doupt the young muslim ex thugs actual jihadist did it but the question is who gave them those orders ...very sad i knew one of the person killed in the attack he was a good person far from racist

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Unread postby bgcasper » January 13th, 2015, 7:25 am

he was into rap before he got involve with muslim extremist like a lot ...here you can see him singin on tupacs tracc

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Unread postby xxx » January 13th, 2015, 4:13 pm

So the Ghettos of Paris are all concentrated in the Southside of Paris?

Are the gang members and folks in the ghettos praising these dudes as heros?

I see similarities with the recruiting tactics of America's N.O.I of Black Convicts and Gang Members and the Jihadists recruitment of Muslim Imigrants from Africa & the Muslim World.

So basically, the Street Gangs of Paris are Muslim Imigrants or come from an Imigrant Family. All your Homeboys are African/Arab Muslims?

Your right, the tied is about to turn on you guys. The French were the most or one of the most Sympathitic turns Muslims, Islam and sided against Israel and voted for Palestinian State in the U.N. France has the largest Muslim population of all Europe. The most Liberal. What are your buddys tripping off of. Why go hard on France?


I dont get the whole thing about migranting to a Foreign/infidel European Country and demanding Sharia Laws. I eould just stay in my Mudlim Homeland and live under the laws thatci feel comfortable under. My impose your will, your culture, your religion, your homeland law on others?

I dont get it. Just moved back to Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan or what fundamentalist society that shares your believes.

I think living in France beats living in any 3rd world country.

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Unread postby xxx » January 13th, 2015, 4:16 pm

So the Ghettos of Paris are all concentrated in the Southside of Paris?

Are the gang members and folks in the ghettos praising these dudes as heros?

I see similarities with the recruiting tactics of America's N.O.I of Black Convicts and Gang Members and the Jihadists recruitment of French Muslim Imigrants from Africa & the Muslim World.

So basically, the Street Gangs of Paris are Muslim Imigrants or come from an Imigrant Family. All your Homeboys are African/Arab Muslims?

Your right, the tide is about to turn on you guys. The French were the most or one of the most Sympathitic towards Muslims, Islam and sided against Israel and voted for Palestinian State in the U.N. France has the largest Muslim population of all Europe. The most Liberal. What are your buddys tripping off of. Why go hard on France?


I dont get the whole thing about migranting to a Foreign/infidel European Country and demanding Sharia Laws. I would just stay in my Muslim Homeland and live under the laws that i feel comfortable under. Why impose your will, your culture, your religion, your homeland laws on others?

I dont get it. Just moved back to Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan or whatever fundamentalist society that shares your believes.

I think living in France beats living in any 3rd world country.

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Unread postby Sentenza » January 13th, 2015, 5:16 pm

A lot of these guys are are losers in real life, rap/sports career didnt turn out succesfull, no success in education, drug problems, conflicts with the law/gang affiliation and in their mosque they meet people that tell them they can be someone, that push their ego and give them something like a family. And the most impressionable fall for that.
We have a lot of guys like that in germany too, a couple hundred of them went to Syria and are fighting down there. If you ask me they shouldnt be let back in...

Like this guy, ex convict, thug, gang member, he is half ghanese, half german. He went to Syria and is on a rampage down there....Its crazy.

German rapper turned extremist 'behind Islamic State beheading videos and uses music to recruit young jihadis'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/de ... ed-4597188

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Unread postby xxx » January 13th, 2015, 7:46 pm

Turks(Muslims) have been in Germany for a long time. Decades.

But you never heard this craziness going on there.

Europe made a big mistake letting all these Foreigners from Muslim Countries in. Its a ticking time bomb they did see at the time, because the first wave of muslims werent screwy like this last wave. They weren't radical. More humble and low key.

Europe made a calculated mistake because they needed an infusion of people/laborers/consumers because the Native European population was dwindling. They needed an expanded local Economy/Market to stay relevant and compete with the U.S & China Markets to a degree. Thats what the E.U & Euro currency is all about.

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Unread postby Sentenza » January 14th, 2015, 7:28 am

xxx wrote:Turks(Muslims) have been in Germany for a long time. Decades.

But you never heard this craziness going on there.

Europe made a big mistake letting all these Foreigners from Muslim Countries in. Its a ticking time bomb they did see at the time, because the first wave of muslims werent screwy like this last wave. They weren't radical. More humble and low key.

Europe made a calculated mistake because they needed an infusion of people/laborers/consumers because the Native European population was dwindling. They needed an expanded local Economy/Market to stay relevant and compete with the U.S & China Markets to a degree. Thats what the E.U & Euro currency is all about.



Yea, i have a lot of turkish friends (grew up around them in Westberlin) and even family and you are right about the first generation, they were pretty low key, to the point were they werent even noticeable.
But now their children and grandchildren step up to the plate and they arent as rooted in their culture anymore and a lot of them are confused and it makes them very insecure. Some turn to crime, some just fail in life and some turn to radical religion.
With turks this happens a lot less compared to arabs, because their culture and idea of religion is a lot more secular and western then that of many arabs.
Even in Turkey itself you wont find many people that want Sharia law (about 8% compared to 60-80% in most arab countries, in afghanistan its even 99%).
When it comes to the arab countries its a whole different story.
In germany we had a shortage of labourers after the war (because of all the men that were killed), so we hired lots of them in greece, italy, spain, turkey, even korea. Some of my best friends are from those countries.
France's immigrants mostly came from northern and western africa, so yea i'd also say they have bigger problems.
Same goes for UK, they have some hardcore jihadist crazy fucks.
Our population in Europe is still dwindling and there is a heated debate going on over immigration and wether we need it or not. In order to keep europes economy and political system intact we do need it, but with it come a lot of challenges and many countries are divided over it...

I am not the expert on paris, but i know for sure that their ghettos are not only in the south. The most famous one is in the northeast, Seine St. Denis (93 is their area code i believe)


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Unread postby xxx » January 14th, 2015, 9:15 am

The British & French dituation is different from Germany. Britain & France were Colonial Super Powers whos Subjects end up with European Passports. A lot of these subjects moved to Europe snd became citizens.

Germany was never a Colonial Power. I think they tried to snatch away African Territory but was unsuccessfully.

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Unread postby Sentenza » January 14th, 2015, 9:40 am

Yea Namibia, Tanzania, Togo, Cameroon and even Samoa and some islands over there. Their currency is called "Tala" which is a german word for money.
Unlike with France and Britain those people never were considered german citizens though, while as a citizen of the french or british empire you could easily get a french or british passport until the 1980s i believe, which is what millions did. Therefore both countries have a huge arab, african and asian community.
The children of those are the ones who are running wild.

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as you know i live in a 3rd world country and i live a way better life than in france ..as for the guetto in the south ...actually paris is surounded with project so weither north south east or west paris is surounded by project with muslim majority in most of those housings now why those muslim are there ? well their country was colonised by france spoiled like most west africa and sometime even their parents are born in france when they needed cheap labor to build back their country from ww2 so even if they keep their religion they are french.... a bit like the old chicanos familys from cali they keep their culture because there is a lot of racism and same ol story its hard to find employement when you come from projects and its even harder when u are muslim so most of the youth from pj's survive like most pj youth survive in the us ... im buddhist but most of my homies are muslims and they are very loyal straight and brave with a high morality and respect for your wife mother and family they are the one who will bring food to your kids and make sure your family is ok even i never convert to their religion they always treated me as a brother dont believe the hype about muslim ...and start to worry about trigger happy pigs decimating blacc mens ...

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Unread postby bgcasper » January 14th, 2015, 10:07 am

xxx wrote:The British & French dituation is different from Germany. Britain & France were Colonial Super Powers whos Subjects end up with European Passports. A lot of these subjects moved to Europe snd became citizens.

Germany was never a Colonial Power. I think they tried to snatch away African Territory but was unsuccessfully.
thank god they wasnt a big one because the few land they owned they did transform it in a lil hell

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Unread postby bgcasper » January 14th, 2015, 10:11 am

to keep it short they trip because they get no job and police harrass them .

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Unread postby Sentenza » January 16th, 2015, 5:10 pm

@bgcasper, just curious, wheres the skinhead section of paris? You said you guys were fighting them back in the days, where did they come from? I cant imagine Paris having large amount of Nazi Skinheads, but thats just an uninformed opinion.
In Berlin we had a whole lot of Skinheads coming from the eastside in the 1990s, which was the former communist part.
It was Skinhead territory in the 1990s. Nowadays russians have taken over over there.

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Unread postby karim » January 17th, 2015, 8:46 am

They were from the projects all around Paris. Paris center was their territory especially on a place called Châtelet Les Halles... But it was during thé 80´s... By 90~92 they were nowhere to be found. They hide themselves by letting their hair grow and dressed casual. I guess thé hunters had done à good job

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xxx wrote:So the Ghettos of Paris are all concentrated in the Southside of Paris?

Are the gang members and folks in the ghettos praising these dudes as heros?

I see similarities with the recruiting tactics of America's N.O.I of Black Convicts and Gang Members and the Jihadists recruitment of Muslim Imigrants from Africa & the Muslim World.

So basically, the Street Gangs of Paris are Muslim Imigrants or come from an Imigrant Family. All your Homeboys are African/Arab Muslims?

Your right, the tied is about to turn on you guys. The French were the most or one of the most Sympathitic turns Muslims, Islam and sided against Israel and voted for Palestinian State in the U.N. France has the largest Muslim population of all Europe. The most Liberal. What are your buddys tripping off of. Why go hard on France?


I dont get the whole thing about migranting to a Foreign/infidel European Country and demanding Sharia Laws. I eould just stay in my Mudlim Homeland and live under the laws thatci feel comfortable under. My impose your will, your culture, your religion, your homeland law on others?

I dont get it. Just moved back to Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan or what fundamentalist society that shares your believes.

I think living in France beats living in any 3rd world country.


Everybody here us wondering the same... I'm 40 and I've lived here in France all m'y life and I too don't understand those guys... Sentenza said it all they were desperates youngs guys... We have now to wonder seriously whatever the f...k are we doing with our youth ? How come they are so desperates in such a rich country ? I don't get it...

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Unread postby silentwssj » January 17th, 2015, 11:56 am

I have a question for you guys! I heard that France actually has Muslim enclaves where other regular French people cant go. They are governed by Sharia law. Why would you guys allow this? In my eyes Western countries should not compromise our laws and way of life to accommodate Muslims. If they want to come and live amongst us they should have to follow our laws and only our laws! If they want to be Muslims that is fine but they should not be allowed to have their own laws governing there own neighborhoods. If I were living in France I would be actively trying to repeal all the special conditions that the French government has granted them. These places are rat nest for extremism and should not be allowed! The other thing is I have been reading numerous books about Islam lately and I have to say that in my eyes ISIS is absolutely Muslim in every way! They are justifying there actions with the Koran and following the example of the Mohammad's life! I really want to hear from some actual Muslims about all of this. I am quickly coming to the conclusion that Islam is hell bent on conquering the world and imposing Sharia law everywhere! If this is not true lets hear it from some actual Muslims. I may deviate from my Catholic posts in the near future and do some Islamic posts. I think that it is very pertinent to what is going on in the world right now! Silent!

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Unread postby Sentenza » January 17th, 2015, 2:04 pm

karim wrote:They were from the projects all around Paris. Paris center was their territory especially on a place called Châtelet Les Halles... But it was during thé 80´s... By 90~92 they were nowhere to be found. They hide themselves by letting their hair grow and dressed casual. I guess thé hunters had done à good job


Thanks. I was in Les Halles in '98 visiting Paris, all i remember seeing there were blacks and arabs and regular whites (i mean no skinheads).
I guess it changed a lot.

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Unread postby Sentenza » January 17th, 2015, 2:10 pm

silentwssj wrote:I have a question for you guys! I heard that France actually has Muslim enclaves where other regular French people cant go. They are governed by Sharia law. Why would you guys allow this?


They reported that BS on Fox news the other day. It was about Birmingham and they said non Muslims dont go there.
All i can tell you that that is complete hyperbole, not true at all. There are places where lots of Muslims live, but in all of europe there is no place where sharia law is used to govern, zero, none.




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Unread postby alsheikh971 » January 17th, 2015, 2:22 pm

Hy you' all.
I don't have much time to talk about all these but there are no "no-go zones" in France and certainly not in Paris where your typical white French boy can't go. All that come from is total B.S there was a part in a T.V Show that discredited Fox News, comparing their lies and the truth.
When I say there are no "no-go zones" I mean 24/24 and 7/7. there are some projects where your typical white boy could get assaulted, not because he's white because the a.hole who would jump him, would think "every white boy carries money or some valuable stuff". We're talking about low-end thug/stupid.
Anyway, I hope to be come back soon to contribute to this thread.
Peace 2 y'All (here = France & overseas or over the rhine ...)
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Unread postby karim » January 17th, 2015, 6:32 pm

I have to say that this guy on Fox News made my day when I heard him ! Especially speaking on Magenta being a no_go zone... It was hilarious because the fact is very few peuple can afford to live there ! At the same time i was wondering to myself : how such a powerful country can be so misinformed ? I've allo learned that this channel is currently watched by 2 millions of American... WOW !
B. Obama didn't even came to the march in Paris... 50 presidents were there...
@Alsheik971: content de te lire à nouveau cousin ca fait plaiz ! Comme tu le vois j'vais avoir besoin de toi ... La Sharia en France c'est le rêve de Lepen ça !!! MDR

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karim wrote:I have to say that this guy on Fox News made my day when I heard him ! Especially speaking on Magenta being a no_go zone... It was hilarious because the fact is very few peuple can afford to live there ! At the same time i was wondering to myself : how such a powerful country can be so misinformed ? I've allo learned that this channel is currently watched by 2 millions of American... WOW !
B. Obama didn't even came to the march in Paris... 50 presidents were there...
@Alsheik971: content de te lire à nouveau cousin ca fait plaiz ! Comme tu le vois j'vais avoir besoin de toi ... La Sharia en France c'est le rêve de Lepen ça !!! MDR
lolol this is cnn mox news new world order BS there is no no go zone in center paris and even outside . blank ...thats propaganda and french skinhead was in more than les halles they had pasteur odean saint michel bon sergent place monge tolbiac and in the suburb they had juvisy a lots of essonne area and versaille we cleaned those spots in the 85 86 87 88 89 by the 90's it was like karim said they were on disguised in locals here yall go its about that era .there is map of all skinhead one at one moment it that doc... peace

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Hey there! All I can say is wow! I guess somebody is telling some serious lies over here. I saw a map laying out over 700 no go zones. I cant believe that that they would pass off such information and get away with it. I have not heard anything over here about that being a lie either. Thanks for the correction, Silent!

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silentwssj wrote:Hey there! All I can say is wow! I guess somebody is telling some serious lies over here. I saw a map laying out over 700 no go zones. I cant believe that that they would pass off such information and get away with it. I have not heard anything over here about that being a lie either. Thanks for the correction, Silent!


Even the british prime minister said something about this issue:

David Cameron: US terror 'expert' Steve Emerson is a 'complete idiot'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... idiot.html

Where did you see that list? Would be interesting to check it out.

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The 751 No-Go Zones of France

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They go by the euphemistic term Zones Urbaines Sensibles, or Sensitive Urban Zones, with the even more antiseptic acronym ZUS, and there are 751 of them as of last count. They are conveniently listed on one long webpage, complete with street demarcations and map delineations.

What are they? Those places in France that the French state does not fully control. They range from two zones in the medieval town of Carcassonne to twelve in the heavily Muslim city of Marseilles, with hardly a town in France lacking in its ZUS. The ZUS came into existence in late 1996 and according to a 2004 estimate, nearly 5 million people live in them.

Comment: The proliferation of ZUS suggest that the French state no longer has full control over its territory. (November 14, 2006)

Nov. 28, 2006 update: For an insight into how bad things are, the police in Lyons demonstrated on Nov. 9, denouncing "violence against the forces of order." Things have reached a pretty sad state when the police have to demonstrate in the streets against the criminals.

Jan. 5, 2008 update: In a remarkable statement, Michael Nazir-Ali, the Pakistani-born bishop of Rochester, writes in the Daily Telegraph about the situation in Great Britain:


there has been a worldwide resurgence of the ideology of Islamic extremism. One of the results of this has been to further alienate the young from the nation in which they were growing up and also to turn already separate communities into "no-go" areas where adherence to this ideology has become a mark of acceptability. Those of a different faith or race may find it difficult to live or work there because of hostility to them.

Jan. 16, 2008 update: Paul Belien of Brussels Journal provides an update on the ZUS, connecting them to organized crime in a way that helps explain police reluctance to intervene:


In May [2007], the French voters elected Mr. [Nicolas] Sarkozy as president because he had promised to restore the authority of the Republic over France's 751 no-go areas, the so-called zones urbaines sensibles (ZUS, sensitive urban areas), where 5 million people - 8 percent of the population - live. During his first months in office he has been too busy with other activities, such as selling nuclear plants to Libya and getting divorced. While the French media publish nude pictures of the future (third) Mrs. Sarkozy, the situation in the ZUS has remained as "sensitive" as before.

People get mugged, even murdered, in the ZUS, but the media prefer not to write about it. When large-scale rioting erupts and officers and firemen are attacked, the behavior of the thugs is condoned with references to their "poverty" and to the "racism" of the indigenous French. The French media never devote their attention to the bleak situation of intimidation and lawlessness in which 8 percent of the population, including many poor indigenous French, are forced to live. Muslim racism toward the "infidels" is never mentioned.

Xavier Raufer, a former French intelligence officer who heads the department on organized crime and terrorism at the Institute of Criminology of the University of Paris II, thinks that organized crime has a lot to do with the indifference of the French establishment.

The ZUS are centers of drug trafficking. According to a recent report of the French government's Interdepartmental Commission to Combat Drug Traffic and Addiction (MILDT) 550,000 people in France consume cannabis on a daily basis and 1.2 million on a regular basis. The annual cannabis consumption amounts to 208 tons for a market value of 832 million euros ($1.2 billion in U.S. dollars). MILDT estimates that there are between 6,000 and 13,000 small "entrepreneurs" and between 700 and 1,400 wholesalers who make a living out of dealing cannabis. The wholesalers earn up to 550,000 euros ($820,000) per year. Since they operate from within the ZUS the drug dealers are beyond the reach of the French authorities.

The ZUS exist not only because Muslims wish to live in their own areas according to their own culture and their own Shariah laws, but also because organized crime wants to operate without the judicial and fiscal interference of the French state. In France, Shariah law and mafia rule have become almost identical.

Mar. 8, 2008 update: Britain has "ethnic" no-go areas for military personnel in uniform, the Times (London) reports today at "Military uniforms in public 'risk offending minorities'."


Certain areas in Britain will still have to remain off-limits for servicemen and women in military gear, despite the Government's desire for a nationwide uniform free-for-all, senior RAF sources acknowledged yesterday. … one senior air force source said that military commanders had to be aware of potential problems of personnel wearing combat and other military clothes in the street. "We're aware of the sensitivities, for example, in some ethnic minority communities which is why we need to have a dialogue with local authorities and police if we don't want to cause a problem."

Mar. 16, 2008 update: John Cornwell, a leading historian and commentator on religion, is generally skeptical of Nazir-Ali's no-go areas but finds that if anyplace fits the profile, it's Bury Park in Luton:


Luton, like other enclaves, has experienced a spate of incidents that look all too like attempts to make Bury Park a no-go area to non-Muslims. Between November of last year and last month there were 18 attacks – all registered by the police – on five non-Muslim homes in the area. One couple, Mr and Mrs Harrop, white residents in their eighties, have had bricks hurled through their windows. The home of Mrs Palmer, a widow of West Indian origin, aged 70, has been attacked four times; on one occasion a metal beer keg crashed through her bay window while she was watching TV.

Such attacks are not typical of the activities of the sort of radicals who preach a global Islamic state, or potential terrorists, who, according to one of my MI5 informants, merge into a background of "innocent normalcy" till the last minute. DCI Ian Middleton of Bedfordshire police says: "It's the perception of the victims that their Muslim neighbours are to blame, and we have to respect that. But we have our doubts." Middleton suspects, as does Margaret Moran, MP for Luton South, that the attacks could be the work of small groups of white or Muslim extremists, stirring up racial and inter-religious hatred for its own sake.

I was to come across comparable "no-go" incidents in other parts of Britain, such as threats against Muslim converts to Christianity, and attacks on visiting social workers and Salvation Army facilities.

July 28, 2008 update: For information on the German case, see Kristian Frigelj, "Unter Feinden," Die Welt. The teaser explains that "In many German urban areas, the police hardly dare enter because they are immediately assaulted." July 29, 2008 update: For a translation of this article, see "In Enemy Territory."

Jan. 12, 2009 update: I consider the potential political import of these no-go zones at "Muslim Autonomous Zones in the West?"

July 19, 2010 update: Due to problems with Turkish delinquents, German police want their counterparts from Turkey to come in and patrol problem areas of North Rhine-Westphalia. Also today, Baron Bodissey discusses the general issue of no-go zones at "A Little Piece of Dar al-Islam."

Aug. 22, 2011 update: Soeren Kern returns to this subject with an important overview at "European 'No-Go' Zones for Non-Muslims Proliferating."


Islamic extremists are stepping up the creation of "no-go" areas in European cities that are off-limits to non-Muslims. Many of the "no-go" zones function as microstates governed by Islamic Sharia law. Host-country authorities effectively have lost control in these areas and in many instances are unable to provide even basic public aid such as police, fire fighting and ambulance services.

The "no-go" areas are the by-product of decades of multicultural policies that have encouraged Muslim immigrants to create parallel societies and remain segregated rather than become integrated into their European host nations.

He then surveys developments in the United Kingdom, France, Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Sweden.

Aug. 4, 2012 update: The French Interior Ministry has created a new type of no-go zone, called Zones de Sécurité Prioritaires (ZSP), or Priority Security Zones. The first batch contains 15 of them, basically the Muslim-majority regions of major cities like Lille, Paris, Strasbourg, Lyons, and Marseilles, as well as in French Guyana. Aug. 24, 2012 update: Soeren Kern explains these new zones in "France Seeks to Reclaim 'No-Go' Zones."

Jan. 16, 2013 update: I had an opportunity today to travel at length to several banlieues (suburbs) around Paris, including Sarcelles, Val d'Oise, and Seine Saint Denis. This comes on the heels of having visited over the years the predominantly immigrant (and Muslim) areas of Brussels, Copenhagen, Malmö, Berlin, and Athens.

A couple of observations:
•For a visiting American, these areas are very mild, even dull. We who know the Bronx and Detroit expect urban hell in Europe too, but there things look fine. The immigrant areas are hardly beautiful, but buildings are intact, greenery abounds, and order prevails.
•These are not full-fledged no-go zones but, as the French nomenclature accurately indicates, "sensitive urban zones." In normal times, they are unthreatening, routine places. But they do unpredictably erupt, with car burnings, attacks on representatives of the state (including police), and riots.

Having this first-hand experience, I regret having called these areas no-go zones.



A typical sight in the commercial areas of "94," one of the most heavily Muslim areas of France.





Typical housing.



Nov. 11, 2013 update: Andrew Harrod discusses the problems in Bonn at "Germany's Sharia No-Go Zones."

Oct. 1, 2014 update: The Swedish police published a report on 55 areas of heightened criminal activity under the anodyne title of En nationell översikt av kriminella nätverk med stor påverkan i lokalsamhället ("A national survey of criminal networks with great influence in the local community"). No ethnicity is mentioned but many happen to be regions with Muslim majorities.

Jan. 13, 2015 update: Nigel Farage, leader of the United Kingdom Independence Party, says that most big French cities have "no-go zones" where non-Muslims, including police, cannot enter:


It's happening right across Europe. We have got no-go zones in most of the big French cities. We've been turning a blind eye to preachers of hate that have been coming here from the Middle East and saying things for which the rest of us would be arrested. In parts of northern England we've seen the sexual grooming of under-age girls committed by Muslim men, in the majority, and for all of these things we are seeing the law not being applied equally, we're seeing the police forces not doing their job because we've suffered from moral cowardice. We have through mass immigration and through not checking the details of those people who have come to our countries, we have allowed big ghettos to develop and when it comes to confronting tough issues we're run a mile and that is why we're in the mess we're in, we've been led very badly. … So, wherever you look, wherever you look you see this blind eye being turned and you see the growth of ghettos where the police and all the normal agents of the law have withdrawn and that is where Sharia law has come in."

He added that he is "hoping and praying" that similar no-go zones do not develop in British cities.

Jan. 14, 2015 update: Jack Sommers, a UK-based reporter for Huffington Post, posed this series of questions to me about the ZUS and their equivalents elsewhere in Europe:


Could you describe the places you visited in more detail? What were your impressions of these places before you visited them? Did you feel personally safe visiting them? Do you think there is any truth to the claims being made that police and non-Muslims fear to visit them?

My reply:


​I have visited predominantly immigrant (and largely Muslim) areas of Brussels, Copenhagen, Malmö, Stockholm, Berlin, Paris, and Athens.​ In the case of Paris, I spent time both in Belleville and in such suburbs as Sarcelles, Val d'Oise, and Seine Saint Denis.

Before my travels, I expected these areas to be similar to the worst areas of the United States, such as the Bronx or Detroit, where buildings are decrepit, streets menacing, and outsiders feel distinctly unwelcome.

My experiences starting in 2007 belied this expectation. All the immigrant areas turned out to be well maintained, with safe streets, and no sense of intimidation. I walked around, usually with camera in hand, and felt at ease. I encountered no difficulties at all.

That said, there is a reason why the French government calls these regions sensibles (sensitive, delicate). They contain many social pathologies (unemployment, drugs, political extremism), they seethe with antagonism toward the majority society, and are prone to outbreaks of violence.

So, from an American point of view, these areas are a bit confusing: potentially dangerous, yes, but in normal times very ordinary looking and with no sense of foreboding. Thus, the term no-go zone does not accurately reflect the situation.

Jan. 17, 2015 update: Research into the term no-go zones referring to Muslim habitations in Western Europe done by the pseudonymous Yoel Natan finds its earliest use to be on my website, DanielPipes.org: An Australia resident who calls himself "fed up" wrote on March 22, 2006, that "In Sydney, Australia, we have large areas of our city that are deemed no-go zones."

The next use was by the Norwegian analyst who calls himself Fjordman, on July 13, 2006, who defined "Muslim no-go zones" as places "where anything representing a Western institution (post office truck, firemen, even mail order delivery firms) was routinely ambushed with Molotov cocktails."

Then came my use of the term on November 14, 2006.


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Hey there! I found a video that shows the maps but I couldn't get it to load. I also found an article stating that Fox news was wrong about the enclaves thing, interesting! Here is an interesting article outlining the Koranic verses that Muslims use to justify killing! It is long but very educational. I don't know how people can call Islam Peaceful after reading this! Silent!




TheReligionofPeace.com
Guide to Understanding Islam





What does the
Religion of Peace
Teach About...


Violence




Question:
Does the Quran really contain dozens of verses promoting violence?




Summary Answer:
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God, however this can work both ways. Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.




The Quran:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.



Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."



Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.



Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."



Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').



Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.



Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"



Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."



Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).



Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?



Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"



Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.



Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."



Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."



Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."



Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."



Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."



Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."



Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had the power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.



Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.



Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.



Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.




Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"



Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.



Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).




Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.



Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."




Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." How does the Quran define a true believer?



Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."



Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction." (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).



Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son. (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)



Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"



Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..." "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.



Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.



Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost." Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.



Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"



Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.' Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.



Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" Islam is not about treating everyone equally. There are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' in verse 16.



Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "battle array" meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist." (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.



Quran (61:10-12) - "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of 'Adn - Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success." This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above). It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.



Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end." The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.





From the Hadith:



Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."



Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.



Bukhari (52:65) - The Prophet said, 'He who fights that Allah's Word, Islam, should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause. Muhammad's words are the basis for offensive Jihad - spreading Islam by force. This is how it was understood by his companions, and by the terrorists of today.



Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'



Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)



Abu Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious



Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah



Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."



Muslim (1:30) - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."



Bukhari (52:73) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords'."



Bukhari (11:626) - [Muhammad said:] "I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes."



Muslim (1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause..."



Muslim (20:4645) - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"



Muslim (20:4696) - "the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.'"



Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."



Muslim (19:4294) - "When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him... He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war... When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them."



Bukhari 1:35 "The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah’s cause and nothing compels him do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty ( if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise ( if he is killed)."



Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.



Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.



Tabari 17:187 "'By God, our religion (din) from which we have departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and seizing properties.' And they returned to their former religion." The words of a group of Christians who had converted to Islam, but realized their error after being shocked by the violence and looting committed in the name of Allah. The price of their decision to return to a religion of peace was that the men were beheaded and the woman and children enslaved by the caliph Ali.



Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484: - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”



Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 990: - Lest anyone think that cutting off someone's head while screaming 'Allah Akbar!' is a modern creation, here is an account of that very practice under Muhammad, who seems to approve.



Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah." Muhammad's instructions to his men prior to a military raid.



Saifur Rahman, The Sealed Nectar p.227-228 - "Embrace Islam... If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if your refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all of your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship." One of several letters from Muhammad to rulers of other countries. The significance is that the recipients were not making war or threatening Muslims. Their subsequent defeat and subjugation by Muhammad's armies was justified merely on the basis of their unbelief.





Additional Notes:


Other than the fact that Muslims haven't killed every non-Muslim under their domain, there is very little else that they can point to as proof that theirs is a peaceful, tolerant religion. Where Islam is dominant (as in the Middle East and Pakistan) religious minorities suffer brutal persecution with little resistance. Where Islam is in the minority (as in Thailand, the Philippines and Europe) there is the threat of violence if Muslim demands are not met. Either situation seems to provide a justification for religious terrorism, which is persistent and endemic to Islamic fundamentalism.



The reasons are obvious and begin with the Quran. Few verses of Islam's most sacred text can be construed to fit the contemporary virtues of religious tolerance and universal brotherhood. Those that do are earlier "Meccan" verses which are obviously abrogated by later ones. This is why Muslim apologists speak of the "risks" of trying to interpret the Quran without their "assistance" - even while claiming that it is a perfect book.



Far from being mere history or theological construct, the violent verses of the Quran have played a key role in very real massacre and genocide. This includes the brutal slaughter of tens of millions of Hindus for five centuries beginning around 1000 AD with Mahmud of Ghazni's bloody conquest. Both he and the later Tamerlane (Islam's Genghis Khan) slaughtered an untold number merely for defending their temples from destruction. Buddhism was very nearly wiped off the Indian subcontinent. Judaism and Christianity met the same fate (albeit more slowly) in areas conquered by Muslim armies, including the Middle East, North Africa and parts of Europe, including today's Turkey. Zoroastrianism, the ancient religion of a proud Persian people is despised by Muslims and barely survives in modern Iran.



So ingrained is violence in the religion that Islam has never really stopped being at war, either with other religions or with itself.



Muhammad was a military leader, laying siege to towns, massacring the men, raping their women, enslaving their children, and taking the property of others as his own. On several occasions he rejected offers of surrender from the besieged inhabitants and even butchered captives. He actually inspired his followers to battle when they did not feel it was right to fight, promising them slaves and booty if they did and threatening them with Hell if they did not. Muhammad allowed his men to rape traumatized women captured in battle, usually on the very day their husbands and family members were slaughtered.



It is important to emphasize that, for the most part, Muslim armies waged aggressive campaigns, and the religion's most dramatic military conquests were made by the actual companions of Muhammad in the decades following his death. The early Islamic principle of warfare was that the civilian population of a town was to be destroyed (ie. men executed, women and children taken as slaves) if they defended themselves. Although modern apologists often claim that Muslims are only supposed to attack in self-defense, this is an oxymoron that is flatly contradicted by the accounts of Islamic historians and others that go back to the time of Muhammad.



Consider the example of the Qurayza Jews, who were completely obliterated only five years after Muhammad arrived in Medina. Their leader opted to stay neutral when their town was besieged by a Meccan army that was sent to take revenge for Muhammad's deadly caravan raids. The tribe killed no one from either side and even surrendered peacefully to Muhammad after the Meccans had been turned back. Yet the prophet of Islam had every male member of the Qurayza beheaded, and every woman and child enslaved, even raping one of the captives himself (what Muslim apologists might refer to as "same day marriage").



One of Islam's most revered modern scholars, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, openly sanctions offensive Jihad: "In the Jihad which you are seeking, you look for the enemy and invade him. This type of Jihad takes place only when the Islamic state is invading other [countries] in order to spread the word of Islam and to remove obstacles standing in its way." Elsewhere, he notes: "Islam has the right to take the initiative…this is God’s religion and it is for the whole world. It has the right to destroy all obstacles in the form of institutions and traditions … it attacks institutions and traditions to release human beings from their poisonous influences, which distort human nature and curtail human freedom. Those who say that Islamic Jihad was merely for the defense of the 'homeland of Islam' diminish the greatness of the Islamic way of life."



The widely respected Dictionary of Islam defines Jihad as "A religious war with those who are unbelievers in the mission of Muhammad. It is an incumbent religious duty, established in the Qur'an and in the Traditions as a divine institution, and enjoined specially for the purpose of advancing Islam and of repelling evil from Muslims…[Quoting from the Hanafi school, Hedaya, 2:140, 141.], "The destruction of the sword is incurred by infidels, although they be not the first aggressors, as appears from various passages in the traditions which are generally received to this effect."



Dr. Salah al-Sawy, the chief member of the Assembly of Muslim Jurists in America, stated in 2009 that "the Islamic community does not possess the strength to engage in offensive jihad at this time," tacitly affirming the legitimacy of violence for the cause of Islamic rule - bound only by the capacity for success. (source)



Muhammad's failure to leave a clear line of succession resulted in perpetual internal war following his death. Those who knew him best first fought to keep remote tribes from leaving Islam and reverting to their preferred religion (the Ridda or 'Apostasy wars'). Then, within the closer community, early Meccan converts battled later ones. Hostility developed between those immigrants who had traveled with Muhammad to Mecca and the Ansar at Medina who had helped them settle in. Finally there was a violent struggle within Muhammad's own family between his favorite wife and favorite daughter - a jagged schism that has left Shias and Sunnis at each others' throats to this day.



The strangest and most untrue thing that can be said about Islam is that it is a Religion of Peace. If every standard by which the West is judged and condemned (slavery, imperialism, intolerance, misogyny, sexual repression, warfare...) were applied equally to Islam, the verdict would be devastating. Islam never gives up what it conquers, be it religion, culture, language or life. Neither does it make apologies or any real effort at moral progress. It is the least open to dialogue and the most self-absorbed. It is convinced of its own perfection, yet brutally shuns self-examination and represses criticism.



This is what makes the Quran's verses of violence so dangerous. They are given the weight of divine command. While Muslim terrorists take them as literally as anything else in their holy book, and understand that Islam is incomplete without Jihad, moderates offer little to contradict them - outside of opinion. Indeed, what do they have? Speaking of peace and love may win over the ignorant, but when every twelfth verse of Islam's holiest book either speaks to Allah's hatred for non-Muslims or calls for their death, forced conversion, or subjugation, it's little wonder that sympathy for terrorism runs as deeply as it does in the broader community - even if most Muslims personally prefer not to interpret their religion in this way.



Although scholars like Ibn Khaldun, one of Islam's most respected philosophers, understood that "the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force", many other Muslims are either unaware or willfully ignorant of the Quran's near absence of verses that preach universal non-violence. Their understanding of Islam comes from what they are taught by others. In the West, it is typical for believers to think that their religion must be like Christianity - preaching the New Testament virtues of peace, love, and tolerance - because Muslims are taught that Islam is supposed to be superior in every way. They are somewhat surprised and embarrassed to learn that the evidence of the Quran and the bloody history of Islam are very much in contradiction to this.



Others simply accept the violence. In 1991, a Palestinian couple in America was convicted of stabbing their daughter to death for being too Westernized. A family friend came to their defense, excoriating the jury for not understanding the "culture", claiming that the father was merely following "the religion" and saying that the couple had to "discipline their daughter or lose respect." (source). In 2011, unrepentant Palestinian terrorists, responsible for the brutal murders of civilians, women and children explicitly in the name of Allah were treated to a luxurious "holy pilgrimage" to Mecca by the Saudi king - without a single Muslim voice raised in protest.



For their part, Western liberals would do well not to sacrifice critical thinking to the god of political correctness, or look for reasons to bring other religion down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the existential truth that this it is both different and dangerous.



There are just too many Muslims who take the Quran literally... and too many others who couldn't care less about the violence done in the name of Islam.






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Re: French Thugs, Rap and Islam...@BG Casper

Unread postby karim » January 19th, 2015, 3:54 am

Sentenza wrote:
silentwssj wrote:Hey there! All I can say is wow! I guess somebody is telling some serious lies over here. I saw a map laying out over 700 no go zones. I cant believe that that they would pass off such information and get away with it. I have not heard anything over here about that being a lie either. Thanks for the correction, Silent!


Even the british prime minister said something about this issue:

David Cameron: US terror 'expert' Steve Emerson is a 'complete idiot'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... idiot.html

Where did you see that list? Would be interesting to check it out.


The 2 guys that killed drawers last week were chased by... 800 cops ! Within them there were 500 who belong to spécial forces(called GIGN and RAID). Plus there were 300 regulars cops... 800 vs 2 ! Do you think a country who react with such force would allowed no go zones in its territory ? I don't think so...
Tanks God the police stoped those 2 extremists quickly...

Peace.

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Re: French Thugs, Rap and Islam...@BG Casper

Unread postby alsheikh971 » January 19th, 2015, 6:54 am

Hello Rim-K il va falloir comme tu l'écris mettre un peu d'équilibre dans tout ce qui est dit !!! I continue in English. Fox News is followed by millions of Americans, and like you suggested, Fox has money, reporters, people all around the world and they spread fake-news like these, it's unbelievable !?
I don't want to put the blame only on Fox, though it certainly deserves it ....
But I (We) have to wonder about the accuracy of all that is spread by those so-called journalists on Air.
I mean, I don't really buy in the conspiracy theories, but I'm really challenged by what I heard or saw.
I can go further and take everything that I can see or hear in the media with a grain of salt.
So much B.S spread around, I can't breath.
Yeah, there are many ass-holes around ! Some are Muslims and Some are not.
Rim-K, je te laisse le soin de dire aux Ricains qui le veulent la vérité !
P.S : je pense que Sentenza te sera aussi d'une bonne aide, tout comme "the man from Thaîland".
Salaam to Y'All

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Re: French Thugs, Rap and Islam...@BG Casper

Unread postby Sentenza » January 19th, 2015, 8:00 am

karim wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
The 2 guys that killed drawers last week were chased by... 800 cops ! Within them there were 500 who belong to spécial forces(called GIGN and RAID). Plus there were 300 regulars cops... 800 vs 2 ! Do you think a country who react with such force would allowed no go zones in its territory ? I don't think so...
Tanks God the police stoped those 2 extremists quickly...

Peace.


I think you got something wrong here. I didnt adhere to that position. I know that no go zones dont exist. Not in France, not in Germany. I am from one of those supposed zones and i am ethnic german and perfectly fine there.

P.S. Over here they said 80,000 Cops were looking for them all in all...

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/pix-p ... 150109.htm

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Re: French Thugs, Rap and Islam...@BG Casper

Unread postby Sentenza » January 19th, 2015, 8:43 am

silentwssj wrote:
They go by the euphemistic term Zones Urbaines Sensibles, or Sensitive Urban Zones, with the even more antiseptic acronym ZUS, and there are 751 of them as of last count. They are conveniently listed on one long webpage, complete with street demarcations and map delineations.

What are they? Those places in France that the French state does not fully control. They range from two zones in the medieval town of Carcassonne to twelve in the heavily Muslim city of Marseilles, with hardly a town in France lacking in its ZUS. The ZUS came into existence in late 1996 and according to a 2004 estimate, nearly 5 million people live in them.



I think it s a little ironic that an american journalist writes about no go zones in Europe.
The US is the epicenter of no go zones in the western world.
No diss intended, but compared with the Ghettos of the US, most of europe is Disneyland, with a few exceptions.

But i cant think of a place over here that i wouldnt dare to go. Not one.
But i can think of some in the USA.
Really, there are no areas where government isnt in control anymore, it simply isnt true.
Yes there are areas that are predominantly muslim which have higher crime rates and where you can find fundamentalists aswell as gangs, but they are nowhere near in charge and its not a death threat to go there. Regular white people even in these areas are still living all over the place...
So that dramatization that europe is on the verge of becoming muslim and that there are areas where you cant go as a white persone is complete and utter nonsense. Its scaremongering.

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Re: French Thugs, Rap and Islam...@BG Casperas

Unread postby karim » January 19th, 2015, 9:56 am

Sentenza wrote:
karim wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
The 2 guys that killed drawers last week were chased by... 800 cops ! Within them there were 500 who belong to spécial forces(called GIGN and RAID). Plus there were 300 regulars cops... 800 vs 2 ! Do you think a country who react with such force would allowed no go zones in its territory ? I don't think so...
Tanks God the police stoped those 2 extremists quickly...

Peace.


I think you got something wrong here. I didnt adhere to that position. I know that no go zones dont exist. Not in France, not in Germany. I am from one of those supposed zones and i am ethnic german and perfectly fine there.

P.S. Over here they said 80,000 Cops were looking for them all in all...

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/pix-p ... 150109.htm

I know sentenza i was speaking to silent quoting you... Look at my post above... Maybe a bug idk...
Alsheik : sur sa vision du Coran je lâche l'affaire... Pas le temps ni le courage de tout reprendre à zéro...

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Re: French Thugs, Rap and Islam...@BG Casper

Unread postby karim » January 19th, 2015, 10:00 am

They even show the 2005 riots as it was happening on a daily basis !!! I prefer LMAO


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