Could a Black gang earn a "13"?

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Could a Black gang earn a "13"?

Unread post by LosAngeles94 » June 30th, 2018, 4:43 pm

Hypothetically speaking... would a black be able to
Earn it’s “13” if they paid taxes and was loyal to “eme”
A black gang??? Bc I know they already have MS13,AP13 etc...

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Unread post by LosAngeles94 » June 30th, 2018, 4:44 pm

I met to say*** could a black gang earn its “13”

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Re: Question

Unread post by LAResident » June 30th, 2018, 7:12 pm

You got to have Mexican members to earn a 13

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Unread post by shaolinmonche » June 30th, 2018, 8:04 pm

LAResident wrote:You got to have Mexican members to earn a 13
I heard a clique or gang can't earn the 13 anymore. They not giving it out anymore.

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Unread post by LosAngeles94 » July 1st, 2018, 2:17 pm

LAResident wrote:You got to have Mexican members to earn a 13
But what about Mara Salvatrucha 13?? and
Armenian Power 13??? Those gangs have almost
No Mexicans especially AP13 if any at all???

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Unread post by LosAngeles94 » July 1st, 2018, 2:32 pm

Those gangs actually pride themselves on no being
Mexican..and if you call them Mexican they get really
Insulted???

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Re: Question

Unread post by ValleyKid » July 1st, 2018, 4:41 pm

LosAngeles94 wrote:Hypothetically speaking... would a black be able to
Earn it’s “13” if they paid taxes and was loyal to “eme”
A black gang??? Bc I know they already have MS13,AP13 etc...
A black gang can't be a "13 gang". Different culture, different politics. It's like having a Hispanic blood gang or Hispanic Crip gang.

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Re: Question

Unread post by ValleyKid » July 1st, 2018, 4:51 pm

LosAngeles94 wrote:
LAResident wrote:You got to have Mexican members to earn a 13
But what about Mara Salvatrucha 13?? and
Armenian Power 13??? Those gangs have almost
No Mexicans especially AP13 if any at all???
Those gangs do have Mexican members. There may not be alot of them in those gangs, but they still have them.

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Re: Question

Unread post by LosAngeles94 » July 1st, 2018, 5:28 pm

ValleyKid wrote:
LosAngeles94 wrote:Hypothetically speaking... would a black be able to
Earn it’s “13” if they paid taxes and was loyal to “eme”
A black gang??? Bc I know they already have MS13,AP13 etc...
A black gang can't be a "13 gang". Different culture, different politics. It's like having a Hispanic blood gang or Hispanic Crip gang.
Naw it’s not like that with us,where not racist like that
If yo hood is Mexican and y’all decide y’all wanna turn
Crip/Blood/Piru and yall down y’all good...like the
Tunga Crips,Samaon West Side Piru,Asian Boyz..and in states like Texas and a few other states already have
Mexican gangs that are Crips/Blood... but I do know that’s
The ultimate dishoner for Mexican in LA,joining the black culture so I feel you guys

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Unread post by LosAngeles94 » July 1st, 2018, 5:36 pm

And I heard the Hispanic ES 99st Watts Mafia Crips go
To jail the bang SS 99st Mafiosos???

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Unread post by LosAngeles94 » July 1st, 2018, 5:37 pm

SS 99st Watts Mafiosos

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Unread post by ValleyKid » July 4th, 2018, 8:31 pm

LosAngeles94 wrote:
ValleyKid wrote:
LosAngeles94 wrote:Hypothetically speaking... would a black be able to
Earn it’s “13” if they paid taxes and was loyal to “eme”
A black gang??? Bc I know they already have MS13,AP13 etc...
A black gang can't be a "13 gang". Different culture, different politics. It's like having a Hispanic blood gang or Hispanic Crip gang.
Naw it’s not like that with us,where not racist like that
If yo hood is Mexican and y’all decide y’all wanna turn
Crip/Blood/Piru and yall down y’all good...like the
Tunga Crips,Samaon West Side Piru,Asian Boyz..and in states like Texas and a few other states already have
Mexican gangs that are Crips/Blood... but I do know that’s
The ultimate dishoner for Mexican in LA,joining the black culture so I feel you guys
There can't be a Hispanic Blood/Crip/Piru gang in Cali. Maybe outside of Cali in different states, but in Cali that's
like a disgrace to the Mexican Mafia and they would probably put out a greenlight for this. That's just the way it is. Now if the eMe weren't so racist, then maybe there would be Hispanic Blood/Crip/Piru gangs on the streets of Cali.

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Re: Could a Black gang earn a "13"?

Unread post by LosAngeles94 » July 5th, 2018, 2:01 am

I feel like if they put in work and they side with the blacks in jail it could happen...just like if a Norte came South,I feel like if they build a close alliance with another gang
That could help back them up it can happen...just like how the black gangs don’t gotta pay taxes bc we refuse to....I feel like the control and fear the eme puts into the Surs is mental...if the south really united and decided not to take orders as a collective they can. It could happen it’s just the Mexican culture in SoCal not so much the mafia it self idk

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Unread post by Lonewolf » July 5th, 2018, 3:03 am

ValleyKid wrote: There can't be a Hispanic Blood/Crip/Piru gang in Cali. Maybe outside of Cali in different states, but in Cali that's
like a disgrace to the Mexican Mafia and they would probably put out a greenlight for this. That's just the way it is. Now if the eMe weren't so racist, then maybe there would be Hispanic Blood/Crip/Piru gangs on the streets of Cali.
I wouldn't say never, thing's wear out and change, but most of what you said is true, i agree, but i wouldn't necessarily label the whole eme culture and surenos as racists, and you can't compare it to places like chicago or houston where other raza mix, so what? that's over there, it ain't over here, and what it is is about survival of ones culture in the sense of our stilo, and please don't simply translate stilo as style, stilo is more than that, it's tradition most of all in so many ways, so the way the stilo go is trying to keep it legit with the understood understanding that it is to be "ours" as in mexican leaning in all shapes and forms, and if that is let go of, than the whole stilo goes away, and we become one just like so many others, so you got to look at it with deeper eyes and understanding, no wat i mean homes

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Re: Could a Black gang earn a "13"?

Unread post by femun » July 9th, 2018, 9:12 am

LosAngeles94 wrote:Hypothetically speaking... would a black be able to
Earn it’s “13” if they paid taxes and was loyal to “eme”
A black gang??? Bc I know they already have MS13,AP13 etc...
Since you asked a hypothetical question I will give you a hypothetical answer.

Yes a black gang can in fact fall under the 13 umbrella or as you stated "earn the 13". Circumstances are everything. Under the right circumstances a black gang can most definitely "earn it's13"

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Re: Could a Black gang earn a "13"?

Unread post by jae » July 11th, 2018, 5:23 pm

Why would a black gang WANT TO? Black street culture in Southern California is BLOOD and CRIP, or independent. "13/SUR" is for the Mexican/chicano street culture. Or they are independent. No need to cross-culture an old tradition. Yes, blacks are in Mexican gangs, and yes, Mexicans are in black gangs, that is nothing new. But equally mixed crews/cliques or new gangs with both blacks and Mexicans in it, will eventually have to chose a side, because that is how the street culture in southern California is set up. Otherwise, they will have to remain independent, but on the streets, that's a bit hard because blood/crip/sureno affiliations will always happen. Its not a racist thing, its jut how its done. The land is already mapped out. Different cultures do different things. There is no reason for a black gang to become sureno/13, just like there is no reason for a Mexican gang to be abloods or crips gang.

Either be an independent gang (non-blood/non-crip/non-sureno), or fall in line with tradition. Now, in time, with enough independent black or Mexican gangs, it could eventually/slowly change the dynamics and eliminate bloods/crips/surenos altogether. But with 50 plus years later and no sign of letting go, I think the cultures are basically set in place permanently. Too much pride, and teachings to the next generation for it to stop anytime soon. The looks of gang members have changed, the etiquette has changed, but the tradition of existence is still there in full swing. In fact, its spreading.

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Re: Could a Black gang earn a "13"?

Unread post by LosAngeles94 » July 13th, 2018, 8:33 pm

I’m just saying hypothetically speaking I think it could happen,especially if Armenians could earn there 13 and philipinos...

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Re: Could a Black gang earn a "13"?

Unread post by HNIC » July 13th, 2018, 9:33 pm

How would this work in jail or the pen?

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Re: Could a Black gang earn a "13"?

Unread post by LosAngeles94 » July 14th, 2018, 9:16 am

The same way it works for other non Mexican gangs that bang the 13 I would guess??? How do the Armenians get away with it??? I here them scream “fuck Mexicans” all the time...and Salvis talk like that too,and yet there still surviving? And still hold there 13 in jail and the streets? So why would it be any different for a black click that wanted to be under the Sureno banner.... again this is just a question lol I have no interest in being a southsider. Blacks don’t care if there is a Mexican click that wants to identify as “blood or crip” they could race isn’t really a big deal amongst blacks as long as your down for the cause your good

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Re: Could a Black gang earn a "13"?

Unread post by HNIC » July 14th, 2018, 2:47 pm

LosAngeles94 wrote:The same way it works for other non Mexican gangs that bang the 13 I would guess??? How do the Armenians get away with it??? I here them scream “fuck Mexicans” all the time...and Salvis talk like that too,and yet there still surviving? And still hold there 13 in jail and the streets? So why would it be any different for a black click that wanted to be under the Sureno banner.... again this is just a question lol I have no interest in being a southsider. Blacks don’t care if there is a Mexican click that wants to identify as “blood or crip” they could race isn’t really a big deal amongst blacks as long as your down for the cause your good
Just because Armenian, Filipino, and Salvi gangs get a pass with SOME surenos in SOME institutions it doesn't mean that Blacks would get that same pass. Hard enough for individual Black dudes to even be around surenos, and Black eses are a thing of the past. I'm old enough to remember when there were some Black dudes in eses gangs, usually had names like Crow or Spooky. Some of 18st first beefs were with other Mexican gangs that were salty cuz 18st didn't have race barriers, they fucd with Blacks and others if they were down. It would take a whole entire structural change in the Cali gang world for a Black 13 gang to exist today.
There were a few majority Black gangs that used 13 in the past, but that has loong played out. Poserz 13 is one example, their founders are Black, but those guys moved on and virtually all of their next generation lil homies are Mexican. Poserz 13 is now a sureno gang with no Blacks left except for the founders. When they first started in the early-mid 80s, 13 was not sureno it was rifa, so they attached 13 to their gang before La Eme put their foot down and no one cared at the time. Other Black gangs from that scene also used 13 back then (Sex Jerx, KOD, Winoz), all either played out or turned Crip or Blood. Today it would be a green light on sight if a Black 13 gang tried to exist, on the streets and definitely locked up.

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Re: Could a Black gang earn a "13"?

Unread post by Lonewolf » July 15th, 2018, 10:47 am

no se puede, it can' not happen in present era politics and culture., maybe in some future time, pero not today., it's different banging attitudes all-together., if you were to have per say a crip gang turned 13, or a new black independent black gang put on the 13, you would have every near-by black crip or blood gang on them like crazy., they would be branded as turn-coats of sorts., mocked trashed and who knows what else, stray up "greenlighted" by the black gangs for sure

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Unread post by LosAngeles94 » July 16th, 2018, 10:14 am

So every other race could adopt the 13 except the blacks... native Americans,Asians,middle easterns,Indians etc.. but not blacks??? Ok

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Unread post by LosAngeles94 » July 16th, 2018, 10:19 am

And no it wouldn’t be excepted amongst the Black card and when they get locked up they won’t be able to program with the blacks of course. They would have to roll with the South Side(which technically they would be south siders anyway)....but on the streets they would be just like any other gang...

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Re: Could a Black gang earn a "13"?

Unread post by LosAngeles94 » July 16th, 2018, 10:21 am

Blacks don’t hold any deep rooted hatred towards Mexicans...you guys hate us more. Really black ppl don’t hate anybody it’s us against the world,where pretty much use to it.

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Unread post by alexalonso » August 5th, 2018, 12:41 pm

its all about money, so any gang theoretically can earn a 13, but why would a black gang want to do that? Makes no sense to go that route.

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ValleyKid wrote:
LosAngeles94 wrote:Hypothetically speaking... would a black be able to
Earn it’s “13” if they paid taxes and was loyal to “eme”
A black gang??? Bc I know they already have MS13,AP13 etc...
A black gang can't be a "13 gang". Different culture, different politics. It's like having a Hispanic blood gang or Hispanic Crip gang.
I wouldn't say exactly.... There's Hispanic Blood gang in Denver called the Deuce-Seven Bloods, that was a branch off Crenshaw Mafia's chapter in Denver... And of course there are the Asian and Polynesian Crip gangs, and some Polynesian Blood gangs...

I know there are Sureno sets with Blacks and Blood/Crip sets with Hispanics... But a predominantly Black hood pushing 13, when eMe has long been at odds with Blacks... Can't see that happening.

It would be more like being a Black member of Aryan Brotherhood -- and believe it or not I recall reading about a half-Black half-White Aryan Brotherhood member who hated Blacks. I forget his name.

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Re: Could a Black gang earn a "13"?

Unread post by LosAngeles94 » October 15th, 2018, 3:00 am

https://youtu.be/tBEaqOw-kVY


What y’all think about this???

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Re: Could a Black gang earn a "13"?

Unread post by LAResident » October 15th, 2018, 6:27 am

LosAngeles94 wrote:https://youtu.be/tBEaqOw-kVY


What y’all think about this???
I’ve met black sureños b4....firme.

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Re: Could a Black gang earn a "13"?

Unread post by LAResident » October 15th, 2018, 6:53 am

I’ve met black sureños from:
18st
MS13
DFS
HPS
Venice 13
Culver City 13
Florencia 13
And few more hoods I can’t remember right now....

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Re: Could a Black gang earn a "13"?

Unread post by LosAngeles94 » October 15th, 2018, 7:08 am

So what if a group of 20 black surenos broke off of what ever hood like 18 to start there own Varrio(all black).. mind you these are guys that earned there 13 individually

Is it possible...lol

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Re: Could a Black gang earn a "13"?

Unread post by LAResident » October 15th, 2018, 9:53 am

Good question, don’t have an answer for that...

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Re: Could a Black gang earn a "13"?

Unread post by LosAngeles94 » October 15th, 2018, 2:12 pm

Lol I think that’ll be kinda dope...like a whole click of South Side F13......call it Dark Side F13 or something lol

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