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Unread postby Rollin_inmy_SixFo » February 11th, 2007, 11:24 pm

TheReal wrote:To Rollin:

You're responding like a typical racist who thinks their shit doesn't stink. Here's the deal:

The fact of the matter is, in my previous posts, I never denied that black folks can be racist, cant commit racial crimes, and that we're no angels. Remember fool, it was ME who said that black folks were the ones who drove their own folks out of the predominantly black communities throughout South Central, and black dominated hoods in L.A.. I also admitted that there were mexicans that were #%@& with as well, due to the fact that they were victims of the overspill of crime that was wrought throughout the black community, to where it was inevitable that they were going to get #%@& with.

With that said, it still doesn't take away from the fact that the major victims of black criminals today, and especially at the time that I am referring to-WERE OTHER BLACK FOLKS!! You post these articles (many of them probably taken from white supremacist websites), which contain crime and horror stories, concerning black crime on other racial groups, but you forget one key ingredient to this whole discussion, and that is-THE BLACK COMMUNITY NEVER ORCHESTRATED A GENOCIDAL PLAN LIKE THE SURS, TO TAKE OUT THE MEXICAN POPULATION, OR ENGAGE IN ETHNIC CLEANSING! No black criminal enterprise, whether it be organized, semi-organized, or tattered, ever rolled and operated that way.


Again, black folks were no angels back then, neither were black gangs, but again, I damn sure know that this present day racist/racialistic element that is rampant throughout L.A., the racist tensions and wickedness that you presently see, is all part and parcel of sur domination of the streets, in regards to their numbers, more so than anything else, and folks in recent years, are beginning to understand and realize this.


So to hell with you, your motives, and your propaganda, because in the end-YOU CAN'T THWART NOR STIFLE THE TRUTH, FOREVER!


Stop the hate! Everybody on this site KNOWS you're a racist.

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Unread postby Rollin_inmy_SixFo » February 11th, 2007, 11:25 pm

Stop the hate! Everybody on this site KNOWS you're a racist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjzH9hFhPbw

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Unread postby Rollin_inmy_SixFo » February 11th, 2007, 11:25 pm

Stop the hate! Everybody on this site KNOWS you're a racist.

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Unread postby Rollin_inmy_SixFo » February 11th, 2007, 11:26 pm

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Unread postby Rollin_inmy_SixFo » February 11th, 2007, 11:27 pm

Stop the hate! Everybody on this site KNOWS you're a racist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjzH9hFhPbw

You remember what set this all off don't you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0hQuf0287g

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Unread postby Rollin_inmy_SixFo » February 11th, 2007, 11:38 pm

That's ^^ only the ones that were caught on camera. Whole lot of other isht that isn't caught.

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Unread postby Rollin_inmy_SixFo » February 11th, 2007, 11:51 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXZbBFD3w4k

Damn! That isht aint right.

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Unread postby Rollin_inmy_SixFo » February 12th, 2007, 12:13 am

rocstar wrote:

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Getting white power literature and posting it means what? We can go back and forth with that all day long. Blacks attack Latinos and Whites all the time. But Blacks get racially victimized more than ANY other race period. And Blacks are not moving as a movement against any race of people. And alot of the crimes are ignored by the media so I dont understand what posting that would prove. If I go to a anti-white website the have the same type os stuff X10 in reverse.


My point is that there are racist people in every race. We seen the white racism, we seen the 2 whole incidents with the avenues and pomonas, and so black racism is no exception. To judge all Mexicans based on the actions of a few is nothing more than racism itself. It aint going down like that.

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Unread postby Rollin_inmy_SixFo » February 12th, 2007, 12:06 pm

IT AINT GOING DOWN LIKE THAT MR ROCSTAR BROTHA ROCSTAR!!

This thread got my blood pressure up! I'm just trying to have a conversation.

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Unread postby TheReal » February 12th, 2007, 2:56 pm

Rollin_inmy_SixFo wrote:IT AINT GOING DOWN LIKE THAT MR ROCSTAR BROTHA ROCSTAR!!

This thread got my blood pressure up! I'm just trying to have a conversation.

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No you're not trying to have a conversation, rather you're trying to dismiss the edict and genocidal nature of mexican racist surs, and their sur sympathizers, by pointing out the racist actions of individual black folks, which isn't estimable. The reason being is, as I said before, anyone can be racist, and perform racist acts, including black folks-SO THAT'S NOT EVEN THE DISCUSSION!

What is under discussion IS THE GENOCIDAL NATURE OF SUR RACIST, MEXICAN RACISTS, AND THEIR SYMPATHIZERS, AND HOW THE MEXICAN COMMUNITY HARBORS SUCH SENTIMENTS AS THEIR RACIST SUR BRETHREN, IN SOUTHERN CALI! Regardless of how many vicious and racist acts you post up by black folks, you still can't place on black folks THE INTENTIONAL AND COLLECTIVE GENOCIDE OF A SPECIFIC RACE OF PEOPLE!

You can't point to one time when black folks have organized, on a street level, or on any other level, to intentionally annihilate mexicans, whites, asians, etc. Whereas we can't say the same for your people, and their genocidal designs for the black population, especially in L.A.

Again, you're not impressing me in the least bit by your anecdotes, reports and videos, because as was agreed to before, every race is capable of racist behavior, but DOES THAT MEAN THAT EVERY RACE IS COMMITTING GENOCIDAL RACIST ACTIONS ON ANOTHER RACE, LIKE THOSE WITHIN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY IS DOING TO BLACK FOLKS!!

In other words, you feel that black folks ought to now be silent and just sit back and be quiet, just because they have folks in their own race who perform racist acts, therefore we ought to just accept taking our "medicine" like men and women? It's one thing for a group of blacks to attack folks from other races, like other races attack black folks: that would be bad enough. HOWEVER, it's quite another thing for black folks to intentionally target a whooooooooooole race, for extermination and genocide, just because they are of that particular race-WHICH IS WHAT YOUR PEOPLE ARE DOING TO BLACK FOLKS!

Again, PERSPECTIVE, PERSPECTIVE, AND CONTEXT, IS THE MISSING INGREDIENT IN ALL OF YOUR COMEBACKS!!

So what? Are you telling me that black folks ought to, again, just sit back, and allow this edict that was given to your racist sur brethren, that calls for the genocide of the black community to stand, without fighting back, just because there are isolated incidents of black folks fucking with folks from other races? Are you really saying this???

Now that I think about it, speaking of fucking with other races, black folks have fucked with mexicans the least, even when black folks had the numbers, in population and gangs, to where they could've wiped your folks off the map, but never did! And all the individual funk that mexicans had with black folks back in the day, doesn't compare to what black folks were facing at the hands of one another, neither does it take away from the fact that white folks were more so your oppressors, to such an extent, that black folks don't even have a clue about-YET YOUR PEOPLE LOOK AT MY PEOPLE AS OBJECTS OF EXTINCTION?

Simply put, the genocidal campaign that racist klu-klux surs have with the black community, that is produced in the racism birthed from the mexican community throughout L.A, will never be equal to sporadic acts of racist attacks that black folks make on other races, or racist attacks other races may make on folks from other races. You know why? BECAUSE BLACK FOLKS, OR THOSE OTHER FOLKS, ARE NOT ON AN ORCHESTRATED MISSION AND CAMPAIGN, TO TARGET, SUBJUGATE, AND INEVITABLY ANNIHILATE, THE OTHER RACE, THE WAY YOUR PEOPLE WHO ARE RACIST SURS AND THEIR SYMPATHIZERS, WANT TO ANNIHILATE AND EXTINGUISH ALL BLACK FOLKS!

Furthermore, despite mexicans like you talking all of this shit about black racism and whatnot, and how black folks can be racist, you still can't deny that your own people would fare much better in black gang dominated hoods, than my people would, if they lived in your people's neck of the woods. I notice you, and your sympathizers can never, and will never address that issue. Racists like you want to cover and hide, as well as mask your own people’s vicious racism, and at times even justifying your hideous racism, by calling out black folks on the carpet concerning their racism, while never addressing your own people’s shit. You want us to take an account of the wrongs our people do, but yet will never acknowledge, or lift a finger in thwarting the racist BS your people are doing to black folks!!!

I understand your tricknology and that BS will not work with me!

This is why you can call me a racist all you want to, and try to convince others that everyone assesses me on that level, through you cleverness, but the reality speaks differently. What it is, is that you want black folks to become pacified, and not concerned about your people's genocidal designs upon black people, but yet you wouldn't go to your own people, and try to pacify them in regards to their racist genocidal campaign upon the total black community.

Not only that, you damn well know that if the BGF, or some black entity, called for an annihilation of aaaaallll mexicans in L.A,-THEN YOU WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE TO JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON, AS A SUR, TO HALT SUCH AN EDICT, AND DELIVER TWO BODIES, FOR EVERY ONE CHICANO THAT IS MURDERED, AND YOU KNOW THIS!!!! You also know that if I came on the scene to you, all mamby-pamby, saying that mexicans can be racist too, YOU’D TELL ME TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF YOUR FACE, BECAUSE YOU WOULD REALIZE THAT THE ARGUMENT IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER MEXICANS CAN BE RACIST TOO, AND PERFORM RACIST ACTS, BUT THAT THE ISSUE IS ABOUT A STREET EDICT AND A GENOCIDAL FATWAH, THAT THOSE HIGH UP IN THE STREET HIERARCHY, WITHIN MY RACE, HAS PUT FORTH, CONCERNING THE ANNIHILATION OF EVERYTHING MEXICAN IN SITE!
And again, YOU KNOW I’M TELLING THE TRUTH!!! This is why I say that everything’s about perspective, and context!

In other words, black folks attacks on folks from other races, is sporadic, disjointed, and is just an overspill of the crime they commit on one another-which again, is bad enough. Whereas your people's attacks on black folks, are by design, and given confirmation and validation from on high, as well as within your community! So in the end, don't even compare black folks to your devilish brethren, who seek to exterminate our existence from off the face of the earth, because again-YOUR ANALYSES JUST AREN'T ESTIMABLE!

So get mad at me all you want to, because I ain't going nowhere!

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Unread postby TheReal » February 12th, 2007, 2:57 pm

To Rollin:

No you're not trying to have a conversation, rather you're trying to dismiss the edict and genocidal nature of mexican racist surs, and their sur sympathizers, by pointing out the racist actions of individual black folks, which isn't estimable. The reason being is, as I said before, anyone can be racist, and perform racist acts, including black folks-SO THAT'S NOT EVEN THE DISCUSSION!

What is under discussion IS THE GENOCIDAL NATURE OF SUR RACIST, MEXICAN RACISTS, AND THEIR SYMPATHIZERS, AND HOW THE MEXICAN COMMUNITY HARBORS SUCH SENTIMENTS AS THEIR RACIST SUR BRETHREN, IN SOUTHERN CALI! Regardless of how many vicious and racist acts you post up by black folks, you still can't place on black folks THE INTENTIONAL AND COLLECTIVE GENOCIDE OF A SPECIFIC RACE OF PEOPLE!

You can't point to one time when black folks have organized, on a street level, or on any other level, to intentionally annihilate mexicans, whites, asians, etc. Whereas we can't say the same for your people, and their genocidal designs for the black population, especially in L.A.

Again, you're not impressing me in the least bit by your anecdotes, reports and videos, because as was agreed to before, every race is capable of racist behavior, but DOES THAT MEAN THAT EVERY RACE IS COMMITTING GENOCIDAL RACIST ACTIONS ON ANOTHER RACE, LIKE THOSE WITHIN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY IS DOING TO BLACK FOLKS!!

In other words, you feel that black folks ought to now be silent and just sit back and be quiet, just because they have folks in their own race who perform racist acts, therefore we ought to just accept taking our "medicine" like men and women? It's one thing for a group of blacks to attack folks from other races, like other races attack black folks: that would be bad enough. HOWEVER, it's quite another thing for black folks to intentionally target a whooooooooooole race, for extermination and genocide, just because they are of that particular race-WHICH IS WHAT YOUR PEOPLE ARE DOING TO BLACK FOLKS!

Again, PERSPECTIVE, PERSPECTIVE, AND CONTEXT, IS THE MISSING INGREDIENT IN ALL OF YOUR COMEBACKS!!

So what? Are you telling me that black folks ought to, again, just sit back, and allow this edict that was given to your racist sur brethren, that calls for the genocide of the black community to stand, without fighting back, just because there are isolated incidents of black folks fucking with folks from other races? Are you really saying this???

Now that I think about it, speaking of fucking with other races, black folks have fucked with mexicans the least, even when black folks had the numbers, in population and gangs, to where they could've wiped your folks off the map, but never did! And all the individual funk that mexicans had with black folks back in the day, doesn't compare to what black folks were facing at the hands of one another, neither does it take away from the fact that white folks were more so your oppressors, to such an extent, that black folks don't even have a clue about-YET YOUR PEOPLE LOOK AT MY PEOPLE AS OBJECTS OF EXTINCTION?

Simply put, the genocidal campaign that racist klu-klux surs have with the black community, that is produced in the racism birthed from the mexican community throughout L.A, will never be equal to sporadic acts of racist attacks that black folks make on other races, or racist attacks other races may make on folks from other races. You know why? BECAUSE BLACK FOLKS, OR THOSE OTHER FOLKS, ARE NOT ON AN ORCHESTRATED MISSION AND CAMPAIGN, TO TARGET, SUBJUGATE, AND INEVITABLY ANNIHILATE, THE OTHER RACE, THE WAY YOUR PEOPLE WHO ARE RACIST SURS AND THEIR SYMPATHIZERS, WANT TO ANNIHILATE AND EXTINGUISH ALL BLACK FOLKS!

Furthermore, despite mexicans like you talking all of this shit about black racism and whatnot, and how black folks can be racist, you still can't deny that your own people would fare much better in black gang dominated hoods, than my people would, if they lived in your people's neck of the woods. I notice you, and your sympathizers can never, and will never address that issue. Racists like you want to cover and hide, as well as mask your own people’s vicious racism, and at times even justifying your hideous racism, by calling out black folks on the carpet concerning their racism, while never addressing your own people’s shit. You want us to take an account of the wrongs our people do, but yet will never acknowledge, or lift a finger in thwarting the racist BS your people are doing to black folks!!!

I understand your tricknology and that BS will not work with me!

This is why you can call me a racist all you want to, and try to convince others that everyone assesses me on that level, through you cleverness, but the reality speaks differently. What it is, is that you want black folks to become pacified, and not concerned about your people's genocidal designs upon black people, but yet you wouldn't go to your own people, and try to pacify them in regards to their racist genocidal campaign upon the total black community.

Not only that, you damn well know that if the BGF, or some black entity, called for an annihilation of aaaaallll mexicans in L.A,-THEN YOU WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE TO JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON, AS A SUR, TO HALT SUCH AN EDICT, AND DELIVER TWO BODIES, FOR EVERY ONE CHICANO THAT IS MURDERED, AND YOU KNOW THIS!!!! You also know that if I came on the scene to you, all mamby-pamby, saying that mexicans can be racist too, YOU’D TELL ME TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF YOUR FACE, BECAUSE YOU WOULD REALIZE THAT THE ARGUMENT IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER MEXICANS CAN BE RACIST TOO, AND PERFORM RACIST ACTS, BUT THAT THE ISSUE IS ABOUT A STREET EDICT AND A GENOCIDAL FATWAH, THAT THOSE HIGH UP IN THE STREET HIERARCHY, WITHIN MY RACE, HAS PUT FORTH, CONCERNING THE ANNIHILATION OF EVERYTHING MEXICAN IN SITE!
And again, YOU KNOW I’M TELLING THE TRUTH!!! This is why I say that everything’s about perspective, and context!

In other words, black folks attacks on folks from other races, is sporadic, disjointed, and is just an overspill of the crime they commit on one another-which again, is bad enough. Whereas your people's attacks on black folks, are by design, and given confirmation and validation from on high, as well as within your community! So in the end, don't even compare black folks to your devilish brethren, who seek to exterminate our existence from off the face of the earth, because again-YOUR ANALYSES JUST AREN'T ESTIMABLE!

So get mad at me all you want to, because I ain't going nowhere!

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Unread postby TheReal » February 12th, 2007, 2:57 pm

To Rollin:

No you're not trying to have a conversation, rather you're trying to dismiss the edict and genocidal nature of mexican racist surs, and their sur sympathizers, by pointing out the racist actions of individual black folks, which isn't estimable. The reason being is, as I said before, anyone can be racist, and perform racist acts, including black folks-SO THAT'S NOT EVEN THE DISCUSSION!

What is under discussion IS THE GENOCIDAL NATURE OF SUR RACIST, MEXICAN RACISTS, AND THEIR SYMPATHIZERS, AND HOW THE MEXICAN COMMUNITY HARBORS SUCH SENTIMENTS AS THEIR RACIST SUR BRETHREN, IN SOUTHERN CALI! Regardless of how many vicious and racist acts you post up by black folks, you still can't place on black folks THE INTENTIONAL AND COLLECTIVE GENOCIDE OF A SPECIFIC RACE OF PEOPLE!

You can't point to one time when black folks have organized, on a street level, or on any other level, to intentionally annihilate mexicans, whites, asians, etc. Whereas we can't say the same for your people, and their genocidal designs for the black population, especially in L.A.

Again, you're not impressing me in the least bit by your anecdotes, reports and videos, because as was agreed to before, every race is capable of racist behavior, but DOES THAT MEAN THAT EVERY RACE IS COMMITTING GENOCIDAL RACIST ACTIONS ON ANOTHER RACE, LIKE THOSE WITHIN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY IS DOING TO BLACK FOLKS!!

In other words, you feel that black folks ought to now be silent and just sit back and be quiet, just because they have folks in their own race who perform racist acts, therefore we ought to just accept taking our "medicine" like men and women? It's one thing for a group of blacks to attack folks from other races, like other races attack black folks: that would be bad enough. HOWEVER, it's quite another thing for black folks to intentionally target a whooooooooooole race, for extermination and genocide, just because they are of that particular race-WHICH IS WHAT YOUR PEOPLE ARE DOING TO BLACK FOLKS!

Again, PERSPECTIVE, PERSPECTIVE, AND CONTEXT, IS THE MISSING INGREDIENT IN ALL OF YOUR COMEBACKS!!

So what? Are you telling me that black folks ought to, again, just sit back, and allow this edict that was given to your racist sur brethren, that calls for the genocide of the black community to stand, without fighting back, just because there are isolated incidents of black folks fucking with folks from other races? Are you really saying this???

Now that I think about it, speaking of fucking with other races, black folks have fucked with mexicans the least, even when black folks had the numbers, in population and gangs, to where they could've wiped your folks off the map, but never did! And all the individual funk that mexicans had with black folks back in the day, doesn't compare to what black folks were facing at the hands of one another, neither does it take away from the fact that white folks were more so your oppressors, to such an extent, that black folks don't even have a clue about-YET YOUR PEOPLE LOOK AT MY PEOPLE AS OBJECTS OF EXTINCTION?

Simply put, the genocidal campaign that racist klu-klux surs have with the black community, that is produced in the racism birthed from the mexican community throughout L.A, will never be equal to sporadic acts of racist attacks that black folks make on other races, or racist attacks other races may make on folks from other races. You know why? BECAUSE BLACK FOLKS, OR THOSE OTHER FOLKS, ARE NOT ON AN ORCHESTRATED MISSION AND CAMPAIGN, TO TARGET, SUBJUGATE, AND INEVITABLY ANNIHILATE, THE OTHER RACE, THE WAY YOUR PEOPLE WHO ARE RACIST SURS AND THEIR SYMPATHIZERS, WANT TO ANNIHILATE AND EXTINGUISH ALL BLACK FOLKS!

Furthermore, despite mexicans like you talking all of this shit about black racism and whatnot, and how black folks can be racist, you still can't deny that your own people would fare much better in black gang dominated hoods, than my people would, if they lived in your people's neck of the woods. I notice you, and your sympathizers can never, and will never address that issue. Racists like you want to cover and hide, as well as mask your own people’s vicious racism, and at times even justifying your hideous racism, by calling out black folks on the carpet concerning their racism, while never addressing your own people’s shit. You want us to take an account of the wrongs our people do, but yet will never acknowledge, or lift a finger in thwarting the racist BS your people are doing to black folks!!!

I understand your tricknology and that BS will not work with me!

This is why you can call me a racist all you want to, and try to convince others that everyone assesses me on that level, through you cleverness, but the reality speaks differently. What it is, is that you want black folks to become pacified, and not concerned about your people's genocidal designs upon black people, but yet you wouldn't go to your own people, and try to pacify them in regards to their racist genocidal campaign upon the total black community.

Not only that, you damn well know that if the BGF, or some black entity, called for an annihilation of aaaaallll mexicans in L.A,-THEN YOU WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE TO JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON, AS A SUR, TO HALT SUCH AN EDICT, AND DELIVER TWO BODIES, FOR EVERY ONE CHICANO THAT IS MURDERED, AND YOU KNOW THIS!!!! You also know that if I came on the scene to you, all mamby-pamby, saying that mexicans can be racist too, YOU’D TELL ME TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF YOUR FACE, BECAUSE YOU WOULD REALIZE THAT THE ARGUMENT IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER MEXICANS CAN BE RACIST TOO, AND PERFORM RACIST ACTS, BUT THAT THE ISSUE IS ABOUT A STREET EDICT AND A GENOCIDAL FATWAH, THAT THOSE HIGH UP IN THE STREET HIERARCHY, WITHIN MY RACE, HAS PUT FORTH, CONCERNING THE ANNIHILATION OF EVERYTHING MEXICAN IN SITE!
And again, YOU KNOW I’M TELLING THE TRUTH!!! This is why I say that everything’s about perspective, and context!

In other words, black folks attacks on folks from other races, is sporadic, disjointed, and is just an overspill of the crime they commit on one another-which again, is bad enough. Whereas your people's attacks on black folks, are by design, and given confirmation and validation from on high, as well as within your community! So in the end, don't even compare black folks to your devilish brethren, who seek to exterminate our existence from off the face of the earth, because again-YOUR ANALYSES JUST AREN'T ESTIMABLE!

So get mad at me all you want to, because I ain't going nowhere!

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Unread postby TheReal » February 12th, 2007, 2:59 pm

To Rollin, part 1:


No you're not trying to have a conversation, rather you're trying to dismiss the edict and genocidal nature of mexican racist surs, and their sur sympathizers, by pointing out the racist actions of individual black folks, which isn't estimable. The reason being is, as I said before, anyone can be racist, and perform racist acts, including black folks-SO THAT'S NOT EVEN THE DISCUSSION!

What is under discussion IS THE GENOCIDAL NATURE OF SUR RACIST, MEXICAN RACISTS, AND THEIR SYMPATHIZERS, AND HOW THE MEXICAN COMMUNITY HARBORS SUCH SENTIMENTS AS THEIR RACIST SUR BRETHREN, IN SOUTHERN CALI! Regardless of how many vicious and racist acts you post up by black folks, you still can't place on black folks THE INTENTIONAL AND COLLECTIVE GENOCIDE OF A SPECIFIC RACE OF PEOPLE!

You can't point to one time when black folks have organized, on a street level, or on any other level, to intentionally annihilate mexicans, whites, asians, etc. Whereas we can't say the same for your people, and their genocidal designs for the black population, especially in L.A.

Again, you're not impressing me in the least bit by your anecdotes, reports and videos, because as was agreed to before, every race is capable of racist behavior, but DOES THAT MEAN THAT EVERY RACE IS COMMITTING GENOCIDAL RACIST ACTIONS ON ANOTHER RACE, LIKE THOSE WITHIN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY IS DOING TO BLACK FOLKS!!

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Unread postby TheReal » February 12th, 2007, 3:01 pm

To Rollin:

No you're not trying to have a conversation, rather you're trying to dismiss the edict and genocidal nature of mexican racist surs, and their sur sympathizers, by pointing out the racist actions of individual black folks, which isn't estimable. The reason being is, as I said before, anyone can be racist, and perform racist acts, including black folks-SO THAT'S NOT EVEN THE DISCUSSION!

What is under discussion IS THE GENOCIDAL NATURE OF SUR RACIST, MEXICAN RACISTS, AND THEIR SYMPATHIZERS, AND HOW THE MEXICAN COMMUNITY HARBORS SUCH SENTIMENTS AS THEIR RACIST SUR BRETHREN, IN SOUTHERN CALI! Regardless of how many vicious and racist acts you post up by black folks, you still can't place on black folks THE INTENTIONAL AND COLLECTIVE GENOCIDE OF A SPECIFIC RACE OF PEOPLE!

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Unread postby TheReal » February 12th, 2007, 3:01 pm

testing...

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Unread postby TheReal » February 12th, 2007, 3:05 pm

Excuse the last two posts. When I tried to post the original one, it stated something about it being in debug mode, implying, at least to me, that it was incapable of putting up my words. So I decided to break it down in sections, but I was still unsuccessful.

Afterwards, I decided to send out a "testing" post, to see if everything was okay, and to my surprise, my original post was put up on this thread...

Oh well.

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Unread postby BlaKK » February 12th, 2007, 4:11 pm

La eme is on a racial tip, most sur gangs is tied to la eme... Nigga u kno what fuck la eme, cuzz, fuck the family and nigga if u racist, then fuck u too.

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Rollin_inmy_SixFo wrote:IT AINT GOING DOWN LIKE THAT MR ROCSTAR BROTHA ROCSTAR!!

This thread got my blood pressure up! I'm just trying to have a conversation.

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??? What are you talking about...

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Black Racism
By Ying Ma

In what passes for discussions on race these days, small problems are often blown up large, while real traumas are completely ignored. For instance, despite what President Clinton’s "Race Initiative" panel has said, the very rawest racial conflicts in present-day America don’t even fit into the tidy mold of white-majority-oppressing-colored-minority that activists constantly promote. Though civil rights groups and most of the media studiously ignore this fact, the nation’s most fractious racial battles are now conflicts between minority populations. Particularly horrific is the animosity directed at Asian Americans by blacks in low-income areas of urban America.

At age ten, I immigrated from China to Oakland, California, a city filled with crime, poverty, and racial tension. In elementary school, I didn’t wear name-brand clothing or speak English. My name soon became "Ching Chong," "Chinagirl," and "Chow Mein." Other children laughed at my language, my culture, my ethnicity, and my race. I said nothing.

After a few years, I began to speak English, but not well enough to trade racial insults. On rides home from school I avoided the back of the bus so as not to be beaten up. But even when I sat in the front, fire crackers, paper balls, small rocks, and profanity were thrown at me and the other "stupid Chinamen." The label "Chinamen" was dished out indiscriminately to Vietnamese, Koreans, and other Asians. When I looked around, I saw that the other "Chinamen" tuned out the insults by eagerly discussing movies, friends, and school.

During my secondary school years, racism, and then the combination of outrage and bitterness that it fosters, accompanied me home on the bus every day. My English was by now more fluent than that of those who insulted me, but most of the time I still said nothing to avoid being beaten up. In addition to everything else thrown at me, a few times a week I was the target of sexual remarks vulgar enough to make Howard Stern blush. When I did respond to the insults, I immediately faced physical threats or attacks, along with the embarrassing fact that the other "Chinamen" around me simply continued their quiet personal conversations without intervening. The reality was that those who cursed my race and ethnicity were far bigger in size than most of the Asian children who sat silently.

The racial harassment wasn’t limited to bus rides. It surfaced in my high school cafeteria, where a middle-aged Chinese vendor who spoke broken English was told by rowdy students each day at lunch time to "Hurry up, you dumb Ching!" On the sidewalks, black teenagers and adults would creep up behind 80-year-old Asians and frighten them with sing-song nonsense: "Yee-ya, Ching-chong, ah-ee, un-yahhh!" At markets and in the streets of poor black neighborhoods, Asians would be told, "Why the hell don’t you just go back to where you came from!"

When it came time for college, I left this ugly world for a beautiful school far away. Finally, it was possible to pursue a life without racial harassment backed by the threat of violence. I chose not to return to my old neighborhood after college, but I am often reminded of the racial discrimination I endured there. On a bus not too long ago I saw a black woman curse at a Korean man, "You f---ing Chinese person! Didn’t you hear that I asked you to move yo’ ass? You too stupid to understand English or something?"

In poor neighborhoods across this country Asians endure daily racial hatred just as I did. Because of their language deficiencies, their small size, their fear of violent confrontations, they endure in silence. Unlike me, many of them will never depart for a new life in a beautiful place far, far away. So each day they grow more bitter against a group that much of America refuses to acknowledge to be capable of racism: African Americans.

In a fair and peaceful world, racial harassment will be decried without regard to its source. The problem today is that prominent black leaders rule out even the possibility of black racism. Activists like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson intone that racism equals "prejudice plus power," and that since blacks in America lack power, they are simply not capable of practicing racism against anyone. John Hope Franklin, chair of President Clinton’s race panel, angrily insists that racism is something suffered, not dished out, by blacks. Many black professors, writers, polemicists, and politicians repeat the same mantra. What might appear to be black racism, writes syndicated columnist Leonard Pitts, actually boils down not to racism but to acts of crime and rudeness from the perpetrators, and tough luck for the recipients.

Rationalizers of black racism ignore the fact that identical actions inflicted by whites would be universally decried as intolerable. Ultimately, their arguments simply grease the skids for further traumatizing of "unlucky" victims. And to real-life casualties of racial animosity, motivation is not especially relevant. Loss is loss. Pain is pain.

Unfortunately, Asian Americans—and especially their leaders—have failed to speak out on this matter. Complaints from wounded individuals regularly boil into public view, however. In mid-August, I attended a crowded press conference held in New York’s Chinatown to discuss Indonesia’s history of discrimination against ethnic Chinese (which peaked this May in a wave of bloody anti-Chinese riots). One woman at the event began to hysterically scream out her frustrations over black American racism against Asians. The woman, Mee Ying Lin, shouted, "Chinese suffer from racial discrimination by blacks every day. We should help persecuted Chinese overseas, but why is no one dealing with our own troubles in America?"

Rose Tsai, head of the San Francisco Neighbors Association, and candidate for a seat on the city’s Board of Supervisors, suggests that everyday Asians rarely defend themselves against ghetto racism because "Asian culture is just not that confrontational…. Asians are unlike blacks who got to where they are in politics by being militant."

Tsai explains that Asian involvement in politics is at a nascent stage, that it is difficult for her organization even to convince Asian immigrants to vote, let alone make a political stink against racial harassment. "Asians are just not used to standing up for our own rights," says another Bay Area Chinese activist with frustration.

That might explain the quiescence of recent immigrants who speak imperfect English. But what about the growing cadre of Asian activists? They are far from passive or non-confrontational. In just the past two years, organizations like the Asian American Legal Defense Fund, the National Asian-Pacific American Legal Consortium, the Organization for Chinese Americans, and others have voiced loud condemnations of "racism" in American society. But they have focused on events like the recent investigation of Asian donors of illegal campaign funds, the Republican opposition in Congress to Bill Lann Lee’s nomination as director of the Office of Civil Rights, a cover drawing for National Review that showed the President, Vice President, and First Lady dressed in Manchurian garb, and even a recent cover photo for this magazine that showed a handsome Asian male scowling angrily at the camera.

If vocal Asian activists are able to work themselves into a frenzy attacking everyday political tussles and editorial cartoons for their alleged racist motivations, they are obviously capable of confrontation. Why then do we never hear these national activists condemning black racism against Asians in our inner cities?

Some Asian-American activists say the reason they have not confronted anti-Asian racism among blacks is because the tension does not exist on the national level, but is merely confined to some local areas. Karen Narasaki of the National Asian-Pacific American Legal Consortium claimed in a recent interview that black animosity is different in each city and ought to be handled differently in each case by local organizations. David Lee, executive director of one such local organization, the San Francisco Voters Education Committee, concurs: "There may be a few communities and a few areas where tensions exist—so it is better for community groups rather than a national organization like the Organization of Chinese Americans to deal with such problems."

Representatives of national Asian organizations also cite resource constraints to explain their quiescence. They say black-Asian clashes are not a serious enough national issue to expend scarce time and money on.

There is a difference, however, between not being able to expend effort and not wanting to. Asian activists on the national level also matter-of-factly justify black racism in inner cities as a direct result of competition between Asians and their black neighbors over limited economic resources. Narasaki, while acknowledging she is not an inner city expert, insists that many black and Asian conflicts "have to do with the lack of economic opportunities" in cities. Echoing this refrain, Stanley Mark, program director of the Asian American Legal Defense Fund, asserts that "we can’t talk about race without talking about economic disparities."

In this vein, Asian activists consistently mention that racial problems occur when Asian merchants move into predominantly black neighborhoods and flourish. The vicious year-long black boycott of a Korean store in Brooklyn in 1990, and the looting and burning of Korean stores in south-central Los Angeles during the 1992 Rodney King riots serve as shining examples of conflicts linked to economic disparities.

The excuse of economic disparities fails miserably to justify violence and harassment, however. For some observers, it also brings up memories of Nazi persecution of Jews, African attacks on Indian merchants, and recent murders, rapes, and robberies of ethnic Chinese in Indonesia. All of these atrocities were committed against people deemed economically well off by larger masses facing difficult times.

In any case, the economic disparities rationale falls apart in the many instances where racism flourishes in the absence of class differences. At San Francisco’s Hunter’s Point public housing complex, for instance, low-income Southeast Asian residents, who are in the minority, have consistently encountered racial harassment from their black neighbors. Racial slurs, physical threats, violence, and destruction of property have festered for years. Philip Nguyen of the Southeast Asian Community Center, who has worked on the case for years, notes that there are no economic differences between the Asian and black families in the complex. The Asians, he says, are very quiet and have made every effort to befriend the black residents, yet serious friction has persisted for ten years.

Joe Hicks, executive director of the Los Angeles City Human Relations Commission, painstakingly tried to bring blacks and Asians together after the Rodney King riots. He believes that "much of the hostilities are due to blacks’ jealousy of Asian economic success, a sense of alienation, and the self-perpetuating belief that blacks will always lose out in the racial equation in America." He adds that "certainly economics gives a basis to many of the problems," but asserts that "even if tomorrow we can have a level playing field for both racial groups, we would still have animosity and racial strife" because prejudices would still remain.

Asian activists who are not otherwise inclined to ignore prejudice are often strangely anxious to apologize for black racism. In interviews, they note that Asians harbor many prejudices against blacks too. This explanation, however, has no power to explain the kind of harassment I and many others like me experienced as young immigrant children beginning life with no animus toward anyone.

Asian prejudice toward blacks surely exists. But whatever biases might be harbored in the minds of Asian immigrants, many of whom had never seen a black person before arriving in the U.S., they certainly don’t rate at the level of destroying black people’s property, scaring their elderly folk, or threatening and assaulting their children—the kinds of pressures Asians in many urban areas now endure routinely. Asian youths in particular typically start out with little or no inclination to distrust or dislike African Americans. Young Asians are usually far more willing than their parents to accept a new country and new friends, including black ones. In many cases, it was only after innumerable frightening chases, assaults, and humiliations that Asian attitudes toward blacks turned defensive. Those of us whose open minds were confronted with hostility and hatred will never accept the insulting assertion that our suffering resulted from our own prejudices.

It seems that leaders of the Organization of Chinese Americans, the Asian American Legal Defense Fund, and related groups are disconnected from the real concerns of many of the Asians they claim to represent. David Lee, whose Bay Area organization is attempting to promote local dialogue among minority journalists, believes that a fundamental disconnection exists between the national Asian spokesmen and the new majority of Asians who are recent immigrants. The prominent Asian civil rights leaders, he notes, tend to be American born, to speak little of their ethnic languages, and to be unable to read the local ethnic newspapers. Many of them do not know or understand the problems in low income areas, because they live comfortable middle-class lives. And so "it is not surprising that they are silent about black-on-Asian discrimination," Lee summarizes.

Bong Hwan Kim, executive director of the Korean Youth and Community Center in Los Angeles and an active member of the Black-Korean Alliance that attempted to bring African- and Korean-Americans together in the eight years before the south-central riots, describes a disconnection in the Korean community between first-generation immigrants and acculturated second generation residents with less familiarity with inner-city life. After the shops of Koreatown were looted or burned, he reports, the more suburbanized Koreans pushed inter-ethnic bridge-building efforts, while the first-generation immigrants who toiled in menial jobs, bridled at having to sit across the table from those who looted and burned their property. Meanwhile, few of the prominent national Asian organizations even condemned the violence perpetrated against Koreans in L.A.

Underlining the disconnect between national and local perceptions, Liu Yu-xi, an organizer of the New York coalition of Chinese Americans that mobilized hundreds of thousands of normally politically apathetic Chinese to protest Indonesian violence against Chinese residents, chuckled at Stanley Mark’s ignorance of cases of black racism. Liu, who has known of many racially motivated physical attacks against Chinese in New York, observes, "Such crimes are reported often in the local Chinese papers, but the national Asian activists obviously do not know how to read Chinese."

When asked why prominent Asians have said little about racial harassment by African Americans, Bill Tam of San Francisco’s Chinese Family Alliance flatly stated, "I think they are afraid to say anything." To him, it appears that Asian leaders are often fearful of the national black leadership. National Asian organizations generally follow the lead of black civil rights groups like the naacp so slavishly, another Bay Area activist told me, that even when the latter’s stances (for instance, on quotas and preferences) are opposed to the interests and beliefs of many Asian citizens, the Asian activists don’t challenge their allies.

Rose Tsai of the San Francisco Neighbors Association was a little more blunt: "Most Asian leaders do not wish to acknowledge that there exists a problem because they do not want the minorities to fight amongst themselves." As a result, national Asian spokesmen speaking for their brethren are without any inkling of the real problems they face, or what kind of racism is dragging them down. Recognizing the complex issues between blacks and Asians, Philip Nguyen of the Southeast Asian Community Center has a simple proposal: "Fight, not against or for any group, but against racial discrimination."

Ying Ma, who immigrated to the United States in 1985, is a research associate at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.


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Black Racism
By Ying Ma

In what passes for discussions on race these days, small problems are often blown up large, while real traumas are completely ignored. For instance, despite what President Clinton’s "Race Initiative" panel has said, the very rawest racial conflicts in present-day America don’t even fit into the tidy mold of white-majority-oppressing-colored-minority that activists constantly promote. Though civil rights groups and most of the media studiously ignore this fact, the nation’s most fractious racial battles are now conflicts between minority populations. Particularly horrific is the animosity directed at Asian Americans by blacks in low-income areas of urban America.

At age ten, I immigrated from China to Oakland, California, a city filled with crime, poverty, and racial tension. In elementary school, I didn’t wear name-brand clothing or speak English. My name soon became "Ching Chong," "Chinagirl," and "Chow Mein." Other children laughed at my language, my culture, my ethnicity, and my race. I said nothing.

After a few years, I began to speak English, but not well enough to trade racial insults. On rides home from school I avoided the back of the bus so as not to be beaten up. But even when I sat in the front, fire crackers, paper balls, small rocks, and profanity were thrown at me and the other "stupid Chinamen." The label "Chinamen" was dished out indiscriminately to Vietnamese, Koreans, and other Asians. When I looked around, I saw that the other "Chinamen" tuned out the insults by eagerly discussing movies, friends, and school.

During my secondary school years, racism, and then the combination of outrage and bitterness that it fosters, accompanied me home on the bus every day. My English was by now more fluent than that of those who insulted me, but most of the time I still said nothing to avoid being beaten up. In addition to everything else thrown at me, a few times a week I was the target of sexual remarks vulgar enough to make Howard Stern blush. When I did respond to the insults, I immediately faced physical threats or attacks, along with the embarrassing fact that the other "Chinamen" around me simply continued their quiet personal conversations without intervening. The reality was that those who cursed my race and ethnicity were far bigger in size than most of the Asian children who sat silently.

The racial harassment wasn’t limited to bus rides. It surfaced in my high school cafeteria, where a middle-aged Chinese vendor who spoke broken English was told by rowdy students each day at lunch time to "Hurry up, you dumb Ching!" On the sidewalks, black teenagers and adults would creep up behind 80-year-old Asians and frighten them with sing-song nonsense: "Yee-ya, Ching-chong, ah-ee, un-yahhh!" At markets and in the streets of poor black neighborhoods, Asians would be told, "Why the hell don’t you just go back to where you came from!"

When it came time for college, I left this ugly world for a beautiful school far away. Finally, it was possible to pursue a life without racial harassment backed by the threat of violence. I chose not to return to my old neighborhood after college, but I am often reminded of the racial discrimination I endured there. On a bus not too long ago I saw a black woman curse at a Korean man, "You f---ing Chinese person! Didn’t you hear that I asked you to move yo’ ass? You too stupid to understand English or something?"

In poor neighborhoods across this country Asians endure daily racial hatred just as I did. Because of their language deficiencies, their small size, their fear of violent confrontations, they endure in silence. Unlike me, many of them will never depart for a new life in a beautiful place far, far away. So each day they grow more bitter against a group that much of America refuses to acknowledge to be capable of racism: African Americans.

In a fair and peaceful world, racial harassment will be decried without regard to its source. The problem today is that prominent black leaders rule out even the possibility of black racism. Activists like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson intone that racism equals "prejudice plus power," and that since blacks in America lack power, they are simply not capable of practicing racism against anyone. John Hope Franklin, chair of President Clinton’s race panel, angrily insists that racism is something suffered, not dished out, by blacks. Many black professors, writers, polemicists, and politicians repeat the same mantra. What might appear to be black racism, writes syndicated columnist Leonard Pitts, actually boils down not to racism but to acts of crime and rudeness from the perpetrators, and tough luck for the recipients.

Rationalizers of black racism ignore the fact that identical actions inflicted by whites would be universally decried as intolerable. Ultimately, their arguments simply grease the skids for further traumatizing of "unlucky" victims. And to real-life casualties of racial animosity, motivation is not especially relevant. Loss is loss. Pain is pain.

Unfortunately, Asian Americans—and especially their leaders—have failed to speak out on this matter. Complaints from wounded individuals regularly boil into public view, however. In mid-August, I attended a crowded press conference held in New York’s Chinatown to discuss Indonesia’s history of discrimination against ethnic Chinese (which peaked this May in a wave of bloody anti-Chinese riots). One woman at the event began to hysterically scream out her frustrations over black American racism against Asians. The woman, Mee Ying Lin, shouted, "Chinese suffer from racial discrimination by blacks every day. We should help persecuted Chinese overseas, but why is no one dealing with our own troubles in America?"

Rose Tsai, head of the San Francisco Neighbors Association, and candidate for a seat on the city’s Board of Supervisors, suggests that everyday Asians rarely defend themselves against ghetto racism because "Asian culture is just not that confrontational…. Asians are unlike blacks who got to where they are in politics by being militant."

Tsai explains that Asian involvement in politics is at a nascent stage, that it is difficult for her organization even to convince Asian immigrants to vote, let alone make a political stink against racial harassment. "Asians are just not used to standing up for our own rights," says another Bay Area Chinese activist with frustration.

That might explain the quiescence of recent immigrants who speak imperfect English. But what about the growing cadre of Asian activists? They are far from passive or non-confrontational. In just the past two years, organizations like the Asian American Legal Defense Fund, the National Asian-Pacific American Legal Consortium, the Organization for Chinese Americans, and others have voiced loud condemnations of "racism" in American society. But they have focused on events like the recent investigation of Asian donors of illegal campaign funds, the Republican opposition in Congress to Bill Lann Lee’s nomination as director of the Office of Civil Rights, a cover drawing for National Review that showed the President, Vice President, and First Lady dressed in Manchurian garb, and even a recent cover photo for this magazine that showed a handsome Asian male scowling angrily at the camera.

If vocal Asian activists are able to work themselves into a frenzy attacking everyday political tussles and editorial cartoons for their alleged racist motivations, they are obviously capable of confrontation. Why then do we never hear these national activists condemning black racism against Asians in our inner cities?

Some Asian-American activists say the reason they have not confronted anti-Asian racism among blacks is because the tension does not exist on the national level, but is merely confined to some local areas. Karen Narasaki of the National Asian-Pacific American Legal Consortium claimed in a recent interview that black animosity is different in each city and ought to be handled differently in each case by local organizations. David Lee, executive director of one such local organization, the San Francisco Voters Education Committee, concurs: "There may be a few communities and a few areas where tensions exist—so it is better for community groups rather than a national organization like the Organization of Chinese Americans to deal with such problems."

Representatives of national Asian organizations also cite resource constraints to explain their quiescence. They say black-Asian clashes are not a serious enough national issue to expend scarce time and money on.

There is a difference, however, between not being able to expend effort and not wanting to. Asian activists on the national level also matter-of-factly justify black racism in inner cities as a direct result of competition between Asians and their black neighbors over limited economic resources. Narasaki, while acknowledging she is not an inner city expert, insists that many black and Asian conflicts "have to do with the lack of economic opportunities" in cities. Echoing this refrain, Stanley Mark, program director of the Asian American Legal Defense Fund, asserts that "we can’t talk about race without talking about economic disparities."

In this vein, Asian activists consistently mention that racial problems occur when Asian merchants move into predominantly black neighborhoods and flourish. The vicious year-long black boycott of a Korean store in Brooklyn in 1990, and the looting and burning of Korean stores in south-central Los Angeles during the 1992 Rodney King riots serve as shining examples of conflicts linked to economic disparities.

The excuse of economic disparities fails miserably to justify violence and harassment, however. For some observers, it also brings up memories of Nazi persecution of Jews, African attacks on Indian merchants, and recent murders, rapes, and robberies of ethnic Chinese in Indonesia. All of these atrocities were committed against people deemed economically well off by larger masses facing difficult times.

In any case, the economic disparities rationale falls apart in the many instances where racism flourishes in the absence of class differences. At San Francisco’s Hunter’s Point public housing complex, for instance, low-income Southeast Asian residents, who are in the minority, have consistently encountered racial harassment from their black neighbors. Racial slurs, physical threats, violence, and destruction of property have festered for years. Philip Nguyen of the Southeast Asian Community Center, who has worked on the case for years, notes that there are no economic differences between the Asian and black families in the complex. The Asians, he says, are very quiet and have made every effort to befriend the black residents, yet serious friction has persisted for ten years.

Joe Hicks, executive director of the Los Angeles City Human Relations Commission, painstakingly tried to bring blacks and Asians together after the Rodney King riots. He believes that "much of the hostilities are due to blacks’ jealousy of Asian economic success, a sense of alienation, and the self-perpetuating belief that blacks will always lose out in the racial equation in America." He adds that "certainly economics gives a basis to many of the problems," but asserts that "even if tomorrow we can have a level playing field for both racial groups, we would still have animosity and racial strife" because prejudices would still remain.

Asian activists who are not otherwise inclined to ignore prejudice are often strangely anxious to apologize for black racism. In interviews, they note that Asians harbor many prejudices against blacks too. This explanation, however, has no power to explain the kind of harassment I and many others like me experienced as young immigrant children beginning life with no animus toward anyone.

Asian prejudice toward blacks surely exists. But whatever biases might be harbored in the minds of Asian immigrants, many of whom had never seen a black person before arriving in the U.S., they certainly don’t rate at the level of destroying black people’s property, scaring their elderly folk, or threatening and assaulting their children—the kinds of pressures Asians in many urban areas now endure routinely. Asian youths in particular typically start out with little or no inclination to distrust or dislike African Americans. Young Asians are usually far more willing than their parents to accept a new country and new friends, including black ones. In many cases, it was only after innumerable frightening chases, assaults, and humiliations that Asian attitudes toward blacks turned defensive. Those of us whose open minds were confronted with hostility and hatred will never accept the insulting assertion that our suffering resulted from our own prejudices.

It seems that leaders of the Organization of Chinese Americans, the Asian American Legal Defense Fund, and related groups are disconnected from the real concerns of many of the Asians they claim to represent. David Lee, whose Bay Area organization is attempting to promote local dialogue among minority journalists, believes that a fundamental disconnection exists between the national Asian spokesmen and the new majority of Asians who are recent immigrants. The prominent Asian civil rights leaders, he notes, tend to be American born, to speak little of their ethnic languages, and to be unable to read the local ethnic newspapers. Many of them do not know or understand the problems in low income areas, because they live comfortable middle-class lives. And so "it is not surprising that they are silent about black-on-Asian discrimination," Lee summarizes.

Bong Hwan Kim, executive director of the Korean Youth and Community Center in Los Angeles and an active member of the Black-Korean Alliance that attempted to bring African- and Korean-Americans together in the eight years before the south-central riots, describes a disconnection in the Korean community between first-generation immigrants and acculturated second generation residents with less familiarity with inner-city life. After the shops of Koreatown were looted or burned, he reports, the more suburbanized Koreans pushed inter-ethnic bridge-building efforts, while the first-generation immigrants who toiled in menial jobs, bridled at having to sit across the table from those who looted and burned their property. Meanwhile, few of the prominent national Asian organizations even condemned the violence perpetrated against Koreans in L.A.

Stanley Mark of the Asian American Legal Defense Fund argues in defense of the national Asian organizations that people hear less from the Asian leaders about black-on-Asian racism than white-on-Asian racism simply because there is less of the former than the latter. Mark insists he knows of no case where an Asian was seriously hurt or killed by a racist black American.

Underlining the disconnect between national and local perceptions, Liu Yu-xi, an organizer of the New York coalition of Chinese Americans that mobilized hundreds of thousands of normally politically apathetic Chinese to protest Indonesian violence against Chinese residents, chuckled at Stanley Mark’s ignorance of cases of black racism. Liu, who has known of many racially motivated physical attacks against Chinese in New York, observes, "Such crimes are reported often in the local Chinese papers, but the national Asian activists obviously do not know how to read Chinese."

When asked why prominent Asians have said little about racial harassment by African Americans, Bill Tam of San Francisco’s Chinese Family Alliance flatly stated, "I think they are afraid to say anything." To him, it appears that Asian leaders are often fearful of the national black leadership. National Asian organizations generally follow the lead of black civil rights groups like the naacp so slavishly, another Bay Area activist told me, that even when the latter’s stances (for instance, on quotas and preferences) are opposed to the interests and beliefs of many Asian citizens, the Asian activists don’t challenge their allies.

Rose Tsai of the San Francisco Neighbors Association was a little more blunt: "Most Asian leaders do not wish to acknowledge that there exists a problem because they do not want the minorities to fight amongst themselves." As a result, national Asian spokesmen speaking for their brethren are without any inkling of the real problems they face, or what kind of racism is dragging them down. Recognizing the complex issues between blacks and Asians, Philip Nguyen of the Southeast Asian Community Center has a simple proposal: "Fight, not against or for any group, but against racial discrimination."

Ying Ma, who immigrated to the United States in 1985, is a research associate at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.

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Unread postby Rollin_inmy_SixFo » February 12th, 2007, 10:19 pm

Black colleges wrestle with discrimination claims

March 21, 2002 Posted: 3:17 PM EST (2017 GMT)

DOVER, Delaware (AP) -- Kathleen Carter says that when she became chairman of the education department at historically black Delaware State University in 1995, she found herself facing more than the usual administrative hassles.

Carter, who is white, says she was told that she was usurping blacks' right to govern themselves and that whites in the department were trying to make blacks look bad.

One colleague called her "a white bitch," Carter said in a discrimination lawsuit she filed against the school, alleging she was denied tenure because of her race.

Last month, a federal judge in Wilmington dismissed the claim, saying Carter failed to provide enough evidence.

But the case is among a recent series of legal battles waged by white employees against historically black colleges in states such as North Carolina, Georgia and Pennsylvania. At least one lawsuit resulted in a multimillion-dollar verdict.

White professors and others have claimed they have been denied advancement and treated as interlopers. The colleges have generally denied the allegations or admitted no wrongdoing.

Frederick Humphries, president of the National Association for Equal Opportunity in Higher Education, an association of black colleges and universities, did not return repeated calls for comment.
Lawsuits in academia increase

Donna Euben, legal counsel for the American Association of University Professors, said that no organization or agency tracks such lawsuits, but that discrimination claims in academia -- and in society in general -- have increased in recent years.

Euben attributed the increase partly to changes in civil rights laws in the early 1990s allowing for more damages, and to a shrinking number of tenure and tenure-track positions at colleges and universities.

The plaintiffs in some of the lawsuits have charged that black colleges are trying to maintain their racial identities by limiting the number of white professors and administrators.

"It's the white professors who can't get tenure for hook or crook, but the black professors get hired as full professors with tenure," said Bob Russ, an English professor at Livingstone College in Salisbury, N.C., one of three white plaintiffs in a case that could go to trial this fall.

Russ, who was twice denied tenure and notified in December that his contract would not be renewed, said a review of academic programs conducted in the early 1990s demonstrates how Livingstone set out to systematically remove whites from leadership positions.

The review recommends naming black professors to replace several white departmental leaders. Notations in the margins include "bring in black Ph.D chair," "hire black chemist" and "build up science and math (black)."

Russ said the notations were written by Barbara Brown, a black woman who was vice president for academic affairs at the time. Brown now works at Albany State University in Georgia, a historically black school hit with more than 20 discrimination complaints in the 1980s and 1990s. She declined comment.
Attack, million-dollar settlements

In 1997, the white dean of Albany State's business school was attacked and hospitalized one day after he complained on television that he was being discriminated against.

In 1998, a federal jury awarded $2.2 million to two tenured white professors forced to resign from Cheyney University in Pennsylvania. The professors said the school retaliated against them for opposing the appointment of minority faculty members they thought unqualified.

As for the Delaware State case, Carter, who now works at Richard Stockton College in Pomona, N.J., has refused to discuss her lawsuit.

In the past year, Delaware State has settled two discrimination lawsuits filed by white former employees.

The school reached an undisclosed settlement last month with Margaret McKay, a political science professor stripped of tenure and dismissed last year. She alleged discrimination based on race, age and gender. Neither she nor her lawyer would comment, and the university admitted no wrongdoing.

Delaware State also settled with a white woman who worked in the financial aid office.

The university, which has 3,000 students, was established in 1891 as the State College for Colored Students. Administrators denied there is racial discrimination.

"As far as I know, we have excellent diversity among the faculty," said Johnny Tolliver, provost and vice president of academic affairs. He said whites constitute almost half of the faculty and about one-fourth of the 22 department chairs.

But Jane Buck, a former Delaware State psychology professor and national president of the AAUP, said a search committee at the school received about 100 applications for an opening a few years ago, and no black candidate turned up. The search was reopened, and the lone black applicant was hired.

"I perceived a great deal of pressure to see to it that we hired a black departmental member," Buck said.

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Unread postby Rollin_inmy_SixFo » February 12th, 2007, 10:42 pm

rocstar wrote:
Rollin_inmy_SixFo wrote:IT AINT GOING DOWN LIKE THAT MR ROCSTAR BROTHA ROCSTAR!!

This thread got my blood pressure up! I'm just trying to have a conversation.

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??? What are you talking about...


Nobody knows what this thread is about. This thread got my head spinning! SUPERSTAR, FIVE STAR, HEISMAN TROPHY WINNER, ROCSTAR STATUS!

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Unread postby BlaKK » February 13th, 2007, 12:19 am

lol cuzz talkin about his blood pressure risin nigga, thats what u got females for homie.

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And it's ironic to think that mexicans, who faced all of this historical hell from white folks, find it their business to not only ally with white folks against black folks, but to also have organized entities to seek out and commit genocide against black folks.

As I've always said, just because a "darker" race has been oppressed by the same enemy, doesn't mean that they will be your allies. Why? Because unlike black folks, these other groups take holistic pride in their tribes, whereas we try to forge a union with other tribes, who collectively wish death to us, similar to racist white folks...

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And it's ironic to think that mexicans, who faced all of this historical hell from white folks, find it their business to not only ally with white folks against black folks, but to also have organized entities to seek out and commit genocide against black folks.

As I've always said, just because a "darker" race has been oppressed by the same enemy, doesn't mean that they will be your allies. Why? Because unlike black folks, these other groups take holistic pride in their tribes, whereas we try to forge a union with other tribes, who collectively wish death to us, similar to racist white folks...

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Unread postby TheReal » February 13th, 2007, 7:09 am

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And it's ironic to think that mexicans, who faced all of this historical hell from white folks, find it their business to not only ally with white folks against black folks, but to also have organized entities to seek out and commit genocide against black folks.

As I've always said, just because a "darker" race has been oppressed by the same enemy, doesn't mean that they will be your allies. Why? Because unlike black folks, these other groups take holistic pride in their tribes, whereas we try to forge a union with other tribes, who collectively wish death to us, similar to racist white folks...

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