Interesting article about the new SNY or PC yards in Cali

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Interesting article about the new SNY or PC yards in Cali

Unread postby Samson28 » April 2nd, 2014, 11:10 pm

I told you guys PC now isn't really even PC anymore nor is it what you cracked it up to be. There are a lot of politics there now and a lot of gangs as well as crimes within PC and punkings, etc. I was in a pretty tough unit where almost everyone has done serious time or been to prison and I was like the only guy there with no tats. I was respected though because of my fighting skills (I even train mms now) and the fact I went to the bathroom to fight two guys (one of them Spider who is only in PC due to how scandalous he is and was even hated on that pod and other pc pods due to thefts and punkings) but in reality because Ive had an entrapment sex case on my record from some years back so they put me in PC. But really 50/50 yards or soft gp yards and pods like where ppl come in with duos are softer and less hectic with politics than PC or the second pure dropout pc yard I went to after I got jacked and ended up fighting two ppl at once in the unit with sex offenders.

There is no shame in being in a pc pod or yard or an any yard or pod. Its all the same really just a different coat of paint or opportunity to start fresh but similar people and mentality. There is less racial politics I would say but not really in pure dropout pods its still there. Anyway here is the article:
http://samquinones.com/reporters-blog/2 ... lees-view/

"I had a meeting with a parolee yesterday. I’ll omit his name, but he’s been locked up for 10 years, and was convicted in a fairly high profile gang killing.

We talked about a lot of stuff. But one thing I find very interesting is the major change in the prison system that’s been underway for a decade now: gang-associated inmates have been dropping out of gangs in droves and entering protective custody.

Used to be, protective custody was only for child molesters, ex-cops, witnesses and old men. The entire population amounted to a few hundred guys statewide. But in the last decade, gang members, from all the races, including Latinos both northern and southern, have been dropping out in the thousands. (I wrote about this a few years ago. Since then, the SNY phenomenon has continued to expand.)

Prison administrators have had to open up entire yards –800-1000 guys each — not just small wings of prisons, to house all the new PC inmates.

These are called Sensitive Needs Yards — SNYs. Most prisons in the state now have them; one prison, Mule Creek, is entirely PC. The growth population is gang members, as you can see if you ever visit them. (The heads of these guys all have well-known gangs tattooed on them: Avenues, White Fence, Florencia, etc etc. The heads make good reading. If you ever get a visit, check them out.)

Many of these guys are just older — late 30s and early 40s — and tired of the gang rat race. Many, too, are fleeing what problems they got into in “active” prison yards (for active gang members), where they may owe someone money for dope or gambling, or they’ve been greenlighted for some infraction that is real or (often) imagined by prison gang shotcallers.

This is a huge cultural change for CA’s prisons. I’ve heard stories of guys, years ago, who would rather die that “lock it up” in PC, as it was known. One fellow, greenlighted by the Mexican Mafia, walked an active yard and had the words tattooed on his chest, “I’m Still Here” and lasted a good stretch before they threw him off a tier (that’s the story I heard, anyway). Those days are gone.

Within SNYs now, though, there are new gangs sprouting — the 2-5s, the Independent Riders.

An SNY is of course a step down for a longtime gang member like this parolee, who views it all with a combination of both amusement and disdain, having spent years gang-banging on the street in what he considers to be the gang major leagues. (I can’t really go into why he ended up on an SNY.)

The SNY gangs are “starting because a lot of dudes haven’t never been nowhere,” he said, by which he meant, they haven’t been in any mainline prison population, but go right to an SNY as soon as they enter prison.

Worse, coming from a gang world where race lines were strictly obeyed and apartheid conditions rule at times, the parolee felt the new gangs “initiate anybody – whites, blacks, northerners.” (The parolee is a southerner — a southern California Latino gang member, a Sureno in prison parlance, who’ve had a decades-long war with northern California Latino gang members, Nortenos.) “You got a lot of guys that can’t respect that. I didn’t care for it at all.”

With so many guys on SNYs and active yards always on lockdown, one effect is that prison officials have taken to giving the jobs to SNY inmates, he said, who aren’t locked down so often and thus can leave their cells and do the jobs.

Tattoos, meanwhile, are all the rage on SNYs, by guys, according to the parolee, who want to look the part. “A lot of them never really hit a mainline [prison yard]. [But] now they want to portray that image on the SNY yards. Now they want to feel what they couldn’t on the outside.”

What’s more, he said, the yards now lack the order and control that prison gangs imposed. Snitching is rampant, so is gambling.

“There’s no structure. So many people are doing what they want. Somebody’s going to whack you, and nobody’s going to say anything about it. You don’t have to answer to nobody.”

Just a view from another part of the world."

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Re: Interesting article about the new SNY or PC yards in Cal

Unread postby Samson28 » April 3rd, 2014, 12:52 am

from prisontalk:
"2-5 is a a gang on most SNY yards in Cali now. There were active when I was down at LAC, and at Salinas 6-8 years ago. They also migrated when they shut down the LAC yard after the COunty riots to Pleasant Valley and Avenal. People I knew from the 2 5 gang went there. But its not like any mainline gang. They are not racial really. I sat in a gym where a Surreno dropout, a Norteno dropout, an Other, a BGF dropout, and a white dude all played cards. The guard at the podium during phone sign-ups remarked that this was cool as it showed why PC worked and the races got along. What he didn't know is they were the clique organizing high-dollar contraband trade. Its all about money on SNY, not race or all the old mainline stuff. They even used sex offenders, not as members, but as mules or to do admin work - like one ex-federal lawyer who had kid offenses did their yard related complaints and paperwork. Or they'd be fronting for them by hiding things, or distracting guards. And they didn't bully this cooperation, but made pretty fair trades even with people who on mainline were green-light targets. By laying low they made their money easier, faster, and with few fights. It was cynical and insidious in a way, but they also kept order on the yard. Lockdowns were bad for business so having two sex offenders fighting was a no-go. The fights tended to be one guy on another, usually for theft, debt, sex, etc... the beefs and their resolutions were not passed on to torpedos or turned into mass melee but dealt with between the primaries. Nobody behaved like pigs, or talked openly and obnoxiously about their offenses. Whatever you did they did not want to hear about it so privacy and courtesy were enforced. Sometimes on SNY weird guys want to tell you things you'd rather not hear, like some weird confessional. That was frowned upon. A lot of old men, physically disabled, mentally ill people were on the yards, too, people that got taken advantage of often on mainline. The 2 5 gang and related cliques made sure those people tended to be left alone. The tension level of SNY was lower, and you could opt out of politics and "business" without anyone minding. Because of their, uh, operational and financial success, and the way people freely could team up with other like-minded but racially different people on SNY it should be no surprise why there are more and more SNY yards every year. Basically 2 5 was made up of all the most talented schemers from several gangs, guys who enjoyed the game and weren't into any race issues anymore. That was the story as I saw it in 5 different facilities I am familiar with as of late 2006. A long ago memory and I like to remember from time to time so I can be grateful for a good life out here in the real world. I suppose though for the peace and quiet, if I had to do it all over again, I would have started on SNY-PC a lot sooner. If any guy wants to drop-out its not nearly so bad as they are led to believe. You can reasonably expect on an SNY yard to get out on time, not get caught up, or forced into "participating" and turn a short visit into all day (unless you choose otherwise). If you have a family member struggling with the choice maybe this anecdote will help."

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Re: Interesting article about the new SNY or PC yards in Cal

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Re: Interesting article about the new SNY or PC yards in Cal

Unread postby bumperjack » April 8th, 2014, 9:03 am

Spamson,quit it you are a shit talking lame spare us all your tuff talk tuff guys dont talk shit they dig i.to your shit so stop your a big bag of hot air,spamson my sister could punk you :lol: :lol:

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Re: Interesting article about the new SNY or PC yards in Cal

Unread postby Samson28 » April 8th, 2014, 10:49 am

You probabl are one of those guys who hates me because you think Im trying to pollute young g's minds by recommending them to go to sny or pc yards right away? Because of how its every man for himself, how there is less racial animosity or hate, how it makes sense, how people actually get along and figure things out together and realize the real enemy is the guards and not themselves huh? More and more people are figuring thi out and they are operating entire prisons as sny now.


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