Mexico Welcomed Fugitive Slaves & Black Job Seekers

These concepts are socially constructed and have been given much weight. What are your thoughts?
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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » May 20th, 2006, 12:02 am

F-ck me? no thanks...i dont f-ck asian boys i'll continue to do females.
As for the prejuidice thing....LOL man you coming with the lame shit about how kindergarteners aren't prejuidice that you aren't born this way and this and that.....hahaha
I dont really care how people are born, do kindergarten kids rule the world? NO!!! so dont try and preach me with that BS about little kids get along shit LOL
Also, i dont care how people get prejuidices...i'm talking about today, right now. ALL people have prejuidices. Even you player...you admitted it when you said you had shit to say about latina women. But dont trip i already knew this. I'm just glad you let it come out and you didnt try and hide it after i would have asked you, because believe me i was gonna ask you.

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Unread post by bgcasper » May 20th, 2006, 2:38 am

[quote="streetsIswatchin"]Mexicans have never had any black slaves in mexico at any point in time...ever. Or any other kind of slave...Anyone who says that they did is talkin BS. They are trying to drive a wedge between mexicans and blacks, and if you fall for it your an idiot. Just check the sources of these obvious lies. Their usually people anti-minority in the first place.
Food for thought mutha f-ckas....mexico has had all types of european communities since its inception. Just like PeronGregory said Spaniards had slaves. Theres been portuguese (notorious for having slaves) irish, german, french, dutch, u name it.
Besides what the f-ck would mexicans have slaves for?? it makes no sense...Mexico never had plantations of any kind of exportable crop like the U.S. had. If you remember your history the U.S. utilized black slavery in the cotton fields mainly.
Mexico didnt need slaves they mostly planted food crops such as corn beans and held live stock. When your farming to feed your family it makes no sense to have slaves...all that would do is further strain your fields because of the extra mouths to feed. I didnt think i'd have to explain this because i didnt think anyone would believe mexico held slaves.
EVN....buddy u trippin. Your korean ass aint knowing about asian women marrying following white men into the U.S. to gain citizenship and later get visas for the rest of their family...but i guess its forgivable since your north korean and your family got assylum. South koreans are doing pretty good since the US propped them up and made them strong in order to counter communism. I'm not going to give you any links....roll down to Carson, Long Beach, gardena and talk to asians and ask them how they originally migrated to the US.[/quote]
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THE MEXICAN CESSED TO CONTROL THEIR COUNTRY SINCE CORTEZ .....EVEN IF THEY HAD BLACK SLAVES IT WAS NOT TO SERVE THE ASTECS IT WAS FOR THE WHITES LIKE STREET SAID ....IF SOMEBODY IS BLAMIN THE MEXICAN FOR SLAVERY THE ONLY PEOPLE THEY DID ENSLAVED WAS THEIR NAYBORS '' AND EVERY SOCIETY DID THE SAME

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » May 20th, 2006, 3:16 am

streetsIswatchin wrote:I'm just glad you let it come out and you didnt try and hide it after i would have asked you, because believe me i was gonna ask you.
:roll:

Look I'll just say it since you want to exaggerate - it happens more often with Russian and South American women more than it does with Asian women. Out of statistic. Not prejudice, it jsut happened to occur more. That's it.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » May 20th, 2006, 3:18 am

Which bgcasper made that last post? I know it wasn't the one I was talking to last time, because this one just cosigned saying Asian women are selling for US citizenship

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » May 21st, 2006, 7:30 am

streetsIswatchin wrote:i'm trying to grab asian's attention and have them speak up for themselves and have some balls.
Man I just realized something...... were you even at any of the marches????

At the last march we had Korean drums and churchs going out there. It was actually kind of cool hearing "si se puede" being sung to Korean drums. Mark Church has videos of it, they go on channel 18 I'll say the next time they broadcast it so you can see for yourself

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Unread post by 100 » May 22nd, 2006, 4:01 pm

bgcasper wrote:
streetsIswatchin wrote:Mexicans have never had any black slaves in mexico at any point in time...ever. Or any other kind of slave...Anyone who says that they did is talkin BS. They are trying to drive a wedge between mexicans and blacks, and if you fall for it your an idiot. Just check the sources of these obvious lies. Their usually people anti-minority in the first place.
Food for thought mutha f-ckas....mexico has had all types of european communities since its inception. Just like PeronGregory said Spaniards had slaves. Theres been portuguese (notorious for having slaves) irish, german, french, dutch, u name it.
Besides what the f-ck would mexicans have slaves for?? it makes no sense...Mexico never had plantations of any kind of exportable crop like the U.S. had. If you remember your history the U.S. utilized black slavery in the cotton fields mainly.
Mexico didnt need slaves they mostly planted food crops such as corn beans and held live stock. When your farming to feed your family it makes no sense to have slaves...all that would do is further strain your fields because of the extra mouths to feed. I didnt think i'd have to explain this because i didnt think anyone would believe mexico held slaves.
EVN....buddy u trippin. Your korean ass aint knowing about asian women marrying following white men into the U.S. to gain citizenship and later get visas for the rest of their family...but i guess its forgivable since your north korean and your family got assylum. South koreans are doing pretty good since the US propped them up and made them strong in order to counter communism. I'm not going to give you any links....roll down to Carson, Long Beach, gardena and talk to asians and ask them how they originally migrated to the US.
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THE MEXICAN CESSED TO CONTROL THEIR COUNTRY SINCE CORTEZ .....EVEN IF THEY HAD BLACK SLAVES IT WAS NOT TO SERVE THE ASTECS IT WAS FOR THE WHITES LIKE STREET SAID ....IF SOMEBODY IS BLAMIN THE MEXICAN FOR SLAVERY THE ONLY PEOPLE THEY DID ENSLAVED WAS THEIR NAYBORS '' AND EVERY SOCIETY DID THE SAME

SO I GUESS SLAVERY IN THE CARIBBEAN WAS REFELCTING OFF AMERICA?

SLAVERY IN SOUTH AMERICA WAS REFLECTING OFF EUROPE GTF OUTTA HERE THEY HAD SLAVES POINT BLANK AND THE SPANIRD SWIPED OUT THE AZTEC AND YOU FORGOT BEING MEXICAN IS A NATIONALITY NOT A RACE so since they were there they were what is refered to as mexican did te aztecs call themselves mexicans? did they mayans?

so to sum it up there were slavery in a place which is now called mexico.

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Unread post by 100 » May 22nd, 2006, 4:04 pm

@ streetz-



you can deny all what you want alot of the things mexicans do comes frm those slaves esaped U.S slaves or whatever else go sing la bomba. it sure aint aztec. how long did the aztec stay around to master spanish and speak it fluently? probably no one except malichista

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » May 24th, 2006, 5:51 am

streetsIswatchin wrote:hahaha....he thought he was better then the people who flee for economic reasons...because he left for political reasons...hahaha give me a break!
Funny I don't hear about Mexicans being reduced to eating grass:

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » May 25th, 2006, 12:27 am

reduced to eating grass?? chill fool... You wanna categorize diffrerent types of assylum?
Let me chip your ass off with the truth...Mexico could be doing well off with out any US involvement. How do you think the US has been able to have such low gasoline prices for the last 30-40 years?? did u know that in Europe a place that also gets its oil from the middle east has been paying more then $5 a gallon for gas for more then 10 years now? Did you know that in Mexico gas has always been double the price of what you can get in the US, even though Mexico is full of oil reserves? Who do you think is forcing Mexican consumers AND industry double what americans pay? Who do you think keeps innovations in industry down because everything is so expensive? Electricity is aslo made with oil in case anyone on here doesnt know...The US has its hands deep into mexico...keeping mexico down in the dumps. Americans think mexicans are stupid people who cant start up their own industries and start up their own businesses to employ themselves and its such a stupid way of thinking things. The US itself has displaced mexican workers, yet it doesnt want to deal with the aftermath.
As for Korea...this is a total self made problem where you have a stupid Stalinist dictator that cannot govern its own country...sells drugs and arms to enemies of the US. American blood has been spilled on the korean peninsula before in the korean war...and their still bleeding from weapons North Korea supplies to middle eastern nations.
Iran's inter-continental ballistic missle came from North Korea. Its the same ass missle but istead of Korean letters on it, it has Iranian Allah jibberish on it.
Why should america take in North Koreans who are forced to eat grass and even eat human flesh?? why cant they solve their own problems?
I think they should be taken in, Its what america has always stood for...but when people argue that MEXICANS SHOULDNT be taken in then it makes you wonder......especially when america is country who has caused all of mexico's problems since day one.

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » May 25th, 2006, 12:44 am

Mich........you know damn well what i'm talking about white men going to asia to get a young little asian wife to bring home to america. If i know alot of situatioins like this then you do too. You being korean might hinder that but in south east asia this shit happens all the time. I'm not going to give out family names you must be smoking something.
They get greencards, visas and shit yeah but how do you think they get them?? the young girl that married the whiteguy petitions her family for visas...either permanent or temporary and then they "over-stay".
Me and some asian guys i used to work with used to joke about it all the time...they got their hustle on that way and we (mexicans) got ours our way.

100 i know mexican is not a race i never said it was. Its a nation, and has become a people. The place where my family originates in mexico had no aztecs in it. Aztecs were mainly in the mexico city area. Mexico had many types of tribes just like american indians. And i can tell you for a fact theat no tribe in mexico ever held any black slaves of any kind. Like i said before....even after the spaniards came Mexico held a smaller community type of living where you grew your own types of food and sold your extra for other types of foods and goods. Having slaves would make no sense econimcally because they would be a burden to begin with!
In the US white families would expand and expand in all of this cheap land and being as money hungry as they are they wanted to make profits upon profits...they needed hands to work on all of this land....they wanted sheap ass labor. Slaves.

Americans are greedy...money money money

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Unread post by Ty Ty » May 27th, 2006, 1:13 pm

It's funny how this issue has people all up in arms and makin comments that have nothing to do with the real issue which is. President Fox needs to stop selling out his own and demand the U.S. repeal the NAFTA agreement which destroyed Mexico's economy. He is so busy making comments on blacks "and supporting the continued use of an obviously racist character on a nationally distributed stamp" on this side of the border when the truth is you got people crossing the border and selling themselves cheap because he allowed the situation to deteriorate to the point where 50 something percent of the population down there is making less than $2 a day. Plain and simple Mexico is getting punked by its leaders but ain't nobody talkin about that.

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Unread post by perongregory » May 27th, 2006, 2:57 pm

cause the mexicans are not his people he is a cirollo that happens to rule the country.

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » May 27th, 2006, 5:57 pm

That racist stamp crap is what it is....crap. if you never been to mexico dont comment on shit u dont know. if your black and u visit mexico, your going to get treated with much respect. actually many blacks visit mexico each year, and have you ever heard of anything racist going on down there?? NO. i know cuz i been there and i even know alot of blacks that have vacationed down there and they love it.
And like i've said before i know a few blacks that were born in mexico and now live here in the US. They didnt think nothing of the stamp. They know mexicans paint themselves in all kinds of ways...it's just a different culture down there where things are not vicious like things are meant to be here in the US.
It would take a radical change in Mexico to get out of the US's clutches, Mexico would be labeled as villians and it would face stiff sanctions and face cutting off a large portion of the world markets because the US would try and exact some kind of revenge.
Take a look at Venenzuela, it took for a Socialist to win the presidency so that the country could start to look after it's best interest and defy US supremecy in every single latin-american country. And now how are they viewed? The US classifies them as a second Cuba, Communist and hostile to american interests. Its a lie, what they are hostile to is American supremacy in its internal affairs. All it wants to do is help its own people out, to put its people first. Which is what America does.
NAFTA not only hurts Mexico it also hurts America, it hurts american workers who are losing jobs to countries south of the border. People of Mexico and the US were sold out in this deal that only helps make the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » May 27th, 2006, 6:01 pm

streetsIswatchin wrote:Mich........you know damn well what i'm talking about white men going to asia to get a young little asian wife to bring home to america. If i know alot of situatioins like this then you do too. You being korean might hinder that but in south east asia this shit happens all the time. I'm not going to give out family names you must be smoking something.
They get greencards, visas and shit yeah but how do you think they get them?? the young girl that married the whiteguy petitions her family for visas...either permanent or temporary and then they "over-stay".
Me and some asian guys i used to work with used to joke about it all the time...they got their hustle on that way and we (mexicans) got ours our way.
You know what, for most issues you seem intelligent enough but you seem real mind-stuck on this issue. This is a good example of "hate" on Aisans by a Mexican.

Now you say "It's not hate it's the facts."

Okay so what if I started talking like you and keep pushing that Mexicans are more in crime and bad for society and move up from poverty rarely while Asians "get our hustle our way" and stuff. And I keep pushing the idea. Over. And over. And over.

Seriously now you're just past the point of rational conversation, so on this issue I'm skipping your posts, you can't seem to get over Asians.

And as for why Korea is so stupid, you don't think it has to do with outside involvement? Are you fucking kidding me????

Look up Japanese occupation, then WWII, then the world dividing the country with the North literally handed over to Russia and China, who dictated it to be the idiotic Stalinist country it is now, and not only that but killed people who said otherwise (including my grandpa on my mom's side) and thus stopped any form of rebellion, then started a war - WHICH SOUTH KOREA DN AMERICA WON BUT THEN CHINA CAME IN OUT OF NOWHERE AND CHASED THEM BACK - BUT THAT DIDN"T MATTER BECAUSE MCCARTHUR NOT ONLY TOOK BACK THE NORTH BUT EVEN WENT INTO CHINA - AND THEN TRUMAN SUDDENLY APPOLOGIZED AND GAVE NORTH KOREA BACK BECAUSE HE WAS A PUSSY AND NOW THAT iS WHERE NORTH KOREA IS STUCK TODAY!

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » May 27th, 2006, 6:29 pm

Are you saying millions of chinese should have been killed because if Truman would have followed McArthur's lead their would have been war with china which the US would HAVE to use nuclear weapons to kill the millions and millions of chinese soldiers that Mao had ready to deploy...are you saying millions of chinese should have been killed so that North Korea should stay united with the south?? And you do know that the USSR might have gotten involved also? This was a price too high to pay. If North Korea had no resistance and South Korea was too weak to win then i dont think it would be a good idea to cause nuclear holocaust around the world over it.
I think Truman did the right thing for humanity...If the north koreans wanted to hand themselves over to the chinese then that's their perogative. Too bad for North Korean civilians but thats what happens. Do you think the US is going to go to war with China over Taiwan? I dont think so...you can only help so much, after a while you have to help yourself.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » May 27th, 2006, 9:31 pm

You call north Korea "yourself" as if this is what they decided to do collectively.

Thing is, this is nothing like that.

That's like saying slaves in the south "gave themselves over" and the south was one group. Bull.

It's a few Stalinists with guns oppressing the unarmed masses. Whenever we do fight back at least half of us die. There's been more luck lately in getting stuff in and out but it's hard to do anything from just the inside, it's mostly those of us out of the country working with those inside.

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » May 28th, 2006, 5:59 pm

Yeah i hear you...i was just speaking on it from a non-caring let people handle their own shit-point of view. i dont agree with it, i think you should help your fellow man out whenever you can.
I hear this arguement all the time, especially when it comes to mexico recently. Stay outta the USA and fix your country is what they say.
You know whats funny?? You remember Hurricane Katrina and what a disaster that was? The government wasnt doing anything for days and days...Mexico volunteered to help, they sent relief and supplies and even offered to send Mexican troops (a few did go) and the whole country just looked at it like whatever...their was like no gratitude whatso ever.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » May 29th, 2006, 2:42 pm

I hear you man....

Katrina was a failure on so many levels... it's crazy

and the worst part is.... think about it, if it was an "enemy attack" we would have been all over it, you know, like post 9/11 and be all (somewhat) unified

But since this was "natural" it's like we let it pass over our heads. and instead of unified the N.O. went crazy. Sad, sad stuff man.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Mexican
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mem%C3%ADn_Pingu%C3%ADn


ABOUT MEMIN 1NCE AGAIN
The charges of racism stem from the unflattering, stereotypical manner in the which Pinguín is depicted. Pinguín is classic darky iconography, which has its roots in blackface and the American minstrel show tradition.

Mexican Minister of Foreign Affairs, Luis Ernesto Derbez declared to the press that "it is a total lack of knowledge of our culture; it looks to me that it is a total lack of respect to our culture that some people are making an issue out of this which does not resemble the reality."

These different opinions come from the different racial attitudes by the British colonizers in the United States and the Spanish in Mexico, the earlier abolition of slavery in 1810 and the nonexistence of Jim Crow laws in Mexico. (see Afro-Mexican and the external article by historian Enrique Krauze).

The main point of contention from foreign critics is the depiction of Memín and his mother following the United States' stereotypes from the slavery and Jim Crow eras: the pickaninny (monkey-like child) and the mammy (fat, happy lady), respectively. These stereotypes were adopted by the early Mexican comic artists, following American comics, but they do not have the same meaning. The dress and attitudes of Memín's mother are a caricature of Cuban women of the time.

The criticism from United States officials was not only ridiculed by public opinion leaders in Mexico, some with bad records in racial issues, and by some of the Mexican population, but it also spurred interest in the stamps: from the day they were criticized,

Some members of the Afro-Mexican community, led by Rev. Glyn Jemmott from Trinidad, have issued protests about the image of Memín. Although in colonial times México had a substantial population of blacks, at one time outnumbering the Spanish, most of them have been absorbed and mixed with the population. Nowadays most of the population of Mexico with African ancestry do not consider themselves black but mestizo, thus they have no sense of being part of a black community.




The term Afro-Mexican (Spanish: afro-mexicano) refers to Mexican citizens who are black or of African descent. Afro-Mexicans have historically been majorities in certain communities in Mexico. Although now largely assimilated in the population, they are concentrated on coastal states such as Guerrero, Oaxaca, and Veracruz.

When the Spanish first arrived in Mesoamerica, they brought slaves with them. Although African slaves contributed heavily to the success of the conquistadors in New Spain, they did not share in the spoils of victory with the Europeans because of their status (Carroll, 2001). African presence in the New World was strictly for labor. The decline of the Amerindian population and the difficulty of making Native Americans into slaves and later the Pope's prohibition against enslaving them, prompted the Spanish to import large numbers of slaves from Ghana, Côte d'Ivoire, Senegal, Gambia, Nigeria, the Congo, and Angola. Some priests, like Bartolome de las Casas actually invoked humanitarian reasons to replace the native labor force with black slaves. Bartolome later retreated from this position after he saw how black slaves were treated. (Note: the slave system for the Native American population was replaced by other forms of forced labor.)

During the colonial period in Veracruz, Spaniards placed restrictions on contact between Africans and Indians to discourage the formation of alliances (Carroll, 2001). Intermarriage between the races, whose descendants were called Lobos in the caste system of New Spain and Zambos in other parts of Spanish America, was heavily discouraged by some individuals in the Catholic clergy. Africans soon outnumbered Europeans, and the Spanish implemented many tactics to ensure that they remained the dominant racial group in Mesoamerica.

The Spaniards ruled the racial groups under their control according to medieval conceptions of strict social order. In the first place, they tolerated sexual relations with native or black women, but not marriage with them; and indeed, since males predominated among the waves of Spaniards and their African slaves, both European and African men had intercourse with Indian women, so that from the beginning of the colonial period a complex order of racial mixture arose. And although the indigenous peoples, who did not want their communities to be overrun by outsiders, opposed the intercourse of Native and African, so that Africans sometimes took Indian women by force (a fact that did not contribute to the establishment of good relations), Spaniards actually accorded the black population a higher status than the Indians, who had the status of minors. Spanish authorities thus created a set of rules, so each mix had its place in colonial society, and a set of rights and prohibitions. For example, mulatto women could not use silver jewelery, while mestizo women could, and so on. Evidence of the racial order is to be found in a series of paintings known as pinturas de castas wherein the races and mixtures are categorized and classified. Eventually this system became too complex, and skin color became the standard of measurement of social level. Mexicans to date are still very sensitive to skin color, but as a sign of social status, rather than in racial terms. In this system, the black population had some rights: Since 1527 married black slaves could buy their liberty at twenty pieces of gold and own lands, although they could not have public positions and black women could not use jewels.

The Black population grew rapidly, and by 1608 most white homes had at least one black slave.

In the early days of the colonial period, slavery was very harsh, and lead to rebellions. In 1609 there was a black rebellion in Veracruz, lead by Gaspar Yanga and Francisco de la Matosa. After fierce battles, Yanga came to negotiate a peace with the viceroy Luis de Velasco. A black comunity, called "San Lorenzo" (Later renamed as Yanga) was founded and still exists, it would be the first of several. But this would not stop the hostilities. Spanish authorities suspected a new rebellion, in 1612, they imprisoned, torture and execute 33 slaves (twenty nine males and four women). Their heads were cut off and remained in the main square of Mexico City for a long time as an example.

There were also some persons of African descent who were not made slaves. These were the descendants of slaves who escaped their slave-masters in the sugar cane farms in United States, especially Texas, and settled as free people in Coahuila in 19th century. Mexico also experienced a settlement of thousands of Black Seminoles, who are descendants of free and escaped Africans who married Native Americans of Seminole ancestry. These settlers also escaped their slave-masters in Oklahoma Indian Territory and made a free African village in Nacimiento, Coahuila and a few villages in Texas-Mexico border. In recent times, there may be a few blacks who came from Caribbean islands and African countries to Mexico as contract workers. Many Afro-Mexicans also went abroad to find better economic fortune, most of them went to United States, where they and their U.S. children are called African Americans and Mexican Americans of African descent.


Palenques
To escape the oppressiveness of slavery, some African Maroons escaped to the mountains and formed their own settlements. These settlements, called palenques, were comprised of mostly African males. The men in these settlements would periodically raid Indian villages and plantations for women and bring them back to their settlements (Carroll, 2001). One of these palenques is Cuajinicuilapa in the state of Guerrero, home to a small enclave of Afro-Mexicans whose ancestors were slaves who escaped from the sugar and coffee plantations along the coast and settled into the mountainous regions of Guerrero (Hamilton, 2002). Today the Afro-Mexican residents of this town have a museum that displays the history and culture of their ancestors. They honor their African heritage through traditional dance and music.


The end of slavery
In 1810, the declaration of Independence of Mexico, called for the ban of slavery and the caste system, although this could not be done until the end of the independence war in 1821. This ban called for the death penalty for those who opposed the ban, so it was adopted. Even so, some forms of slavery like the tienda de raya (workers under perpetual debt) remained until the early 20th century, but this slavery was more oriented to indigeous population.


Admixture
The Afro-Mexican population has mixed mostly [1] with the larger populations and many have forgotten their African ancestry, but some populations like Costa Chica and others still remain with stronger visual cues of their African ancestry.


Current situation
Many Afro-Mexicans make their homes along the Costa Chica, a 200-mile long coastal region beginning just southeast of Acapulco, Guerrero, and ending at Huatulco in the state of Oaxaca (Vaughn, 2004). Most of the occupants of the Costa Chica derive their income from agriculture and fishing. The Costa Chica is also occupied by many indigenous groups, and Bobby Vaughn, creator of the website "Black Mexico," describes the relationship between the Afromestizos and the Indians as strained ([2], 2004).

In the last few years, more discourse has been taking place about why so little is known about the afro-diasporic population in Mexico. Since the nationalistic movement of the 1940s, the Mexican government states there is no distinction made between white, mestizo, mulatto, black, or Amerindian, so the population is classified on cultural bases rather than racial. As a result, most of the population is classified as mestizo, which is defined as someone who does not belong to an indigenous group (participate in their customs or speak their language). This criteria results in a much lower number of black and Amerindian population. Charles Henry Rowell, the editor of the Callaloo Journal, believes that the majority of the descendants of African slaves have disappeared through assimilation and miscegenation (2004). In the eyes of Mexican population, only people with very dark skin are actually called "negro", so the black population is not perceived as a community.

Lack of acknowledgement sometimes makes it difficult for Afro-Mexicans to take pride in their African heritage. Many have chosen to assimilate completely into Mexican society. A recent survey (2005) by some new media found that most of the people who show obvious black ancestry prefer to be considered mestizos. There is also outside pressure from other Mexicans that causes them to assimilate. Because their existence is not widely known throughout Mexico and the rest of the world, they are often assumed to be illegal immigrants from elsewhere in Latin America (Sailer, 2002). There have been many accounts of Afro-Mexicans being pulled over by the police and being forced to sing the Mexican national anthem to prove they are Mexican (Graves, 2004). This discrimination causes many Afro-Mexicans, if they are able, to conceal their African lineage.

Despite being faced with discrimination and poverty, there are some Afro-Mexicans who openly embrace their African heritage and want it to be recognized. In Coyolillo, located in Veracruz, they celebrate Carnival, which has its roots in African culture. In the village of El Ciruelo, there is a small group of Afro-Mexicans who have organized as Mexico Negro, and they are fighting to have a racial breakdown added to the census before the 2010 count (Graves, 2004), but INEGI, the response of the census does not record race. It is based only in socioeconomic criteria. More than 200,000 Africans were brought to Mexico during the time of the Spanish Empire (Sailer, 2002). Although it is not common knowledge, and they make up less than one percent of the population, the descendants of these slaves still live in Mexico today. They have been called "The third root" by anthropologist Gonzalo Aguirre Beltrán.


Famous Afro-Mexicans

Fiction
The comic character Memín Pinguín, whose magazine has been available in Latin America, the Philippines, and the United States newsstands for more than 60 years, is an Afro-Mexican. The Mexican Government issued a series of five stamps in 2005 honoring the Memín comic book series. The issue of these stamps was considered racist by some groups in the United States and praised by the Mexican audience who remember growing up with the magazine.


Artists
Artist and activist Diego Rivera, actor Zamorita and singers Kalimba Marichal, Johnny Laboriel, and María del Sol are famous Mexican singers with African heritage. The Late Toòa La Negra was also an Afro-Mexican singer.

Politicians
Heroes of the Mexican War of Independence José María Morelos y Pavón and Vicente Guerrero were both mulattos. Also, former governor of Quintana Roo Joaquín Hendricks.









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Unread post by 100 » May 30th, 2006, 4:26 pm

AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED THERE ARE NO BLACK PEOPLE IN MEXICO JUST A BUNCH OF NOBODIES IN LIMITED SPACE

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » June 1st, 2006, 5:42 pm

What do u mean by that 100? Are you saying they shouldn't consider themselves as mexicans ?? they have to be Afro-mexicans?? Thats BS...they are for the most part excepted fully by Mexicans. Seek yourself out a Black Mexican and find out first hand. They feel themselves to be mexicans and i feel them as mexicans too. They just like me and i'm just like them. They walk and they talk like mexicans.

Here in the US Blacks have their own way of acting talking and walking. They weren't accepted by whites fully and so blacks resisted intergrating fully into the american culture, they sought out to be different whenever they could. Even today its still like this. 100, you probably think that this is the way its supposed to be, that blacks always have to be the outcasts and they have to have their own sub-culture within another nation....otherwise they are suppressed and are being held in the under-class. Its not always like that, if whites would have been as friendly to blacks as wholelike Mexicans in Mexico were, Today's blacks would probably be more 'white' because they fit in and were allowed to fit in.

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Unread post by bgcasper » June 1st, 2006, 8:00 pm

[quote="streetsIswatchin"]What do u mean by that 100? Are you saying they shouldn't consider themselves as mexicans ?? they have to be Afro-mexicans?? Thats BS...they are for the most part excepted fully by Mexicans. Seek yourself out a Black Mexican and find out first hand. They feel themselves to be mexicans and i feel them as mexicans too. They just like me and i'm just like them. They walk and they talk like mexicans.

Here in the US Blacks have their own way of acting talking and walking. They weren't accepted by whites fully and so blacks resisted intergrating fully into the american culture, they sought out to be different whenever they could. Even today its still like this. 100, you probably think that this is the way its supposed to be, that blacks always have to be the outcasts and they have to have their own sub-culture within another nation....otherwise they are suppressed and are being held in the under-class. Its not always like that, if whites would have been as friendly to blacks as wholelike Mexicans in Mexico were, Today's blacks would probably be more 'white' because they fit in and were allowed to fit in.[/quote]


MAN IF BALCC WERE NUMEROUS ENUF TO CREATE BIG COMUNITY THERE U WOULD HAVE PEOPLE SINGIN A DIFFERENT SONG .........
I WAS 3 TIME IN YOUR COUNTRY I NEVER SAW A SINGLE .....
I WENT TO GUADALAJARA JALISCO WERE I HAD FAMILY I WAS MARRIED WITH A MEXICAN CHIC FOR 8 YEARS SHE WAS FROM WATTS ...I WENT TO MICHOACAN WETRE HER FATHER GOT FAM I WENT TO DF L DISTRICTO FEDERAL COLONIA SAN PEDRO DE LOS PINOS AVENIDA DOS ....NO BLCK TO BE SEEN ...I WENT TO YUCATAN ISLA DE MUJERES CANCUN COZUMEL AND EVEN CHIAPAS AND THERE FEW TOURIST HERE AND THERE BUT NO LOCAL BLACKS IM SURE THERE IS ...BUT NOT BIG COMUNITY OWNING NAYBORHOODS ...THEREFORE IT AINT MY COUNTRY SO I DONT REALLY KNOW JUST MY FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE WAS I JUST DIDNT SAW NO LOCAL BLACK PEOPLE THERE .

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » June 2nd, 2006, 2:21 pm

For those big black communites to pop up you would need widespread racism to make the blacks feel like they need to stick together. There never has been widespread racism against blacks in Mexico, so there really is no need for that. Forming big black neighborhoods would be an effect of racism. Thats why you dont have this in Mexico. I'm sure theres black communities but theres no black cities like in the US. They dont need to defend themselves or never needed to like here in the US...you had lynchings KKK and all that. If you dont see any black mexicans if you take a trip to Mexico i wouldnt be suprised.
If a guy from Europe comes to america and visits major cities and never see's a native american, would you be suprised? i dont think you would...but for people that live here in the US we both know that Native Americans are here and they do exist.

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Unread post by bgcasper » June 2nd, 2006, 9:28 pm

[quote="streetsIswatchin"]For those big black communites to pop up you would need widespread racism to make the blacks feel like they need to stick together. There never has been widespread racism against blacks in Mexico, so there really is no need for that. Forming big black neighborhoods would be an effect of racism. Thats why you dont have this in Mexico. I'm sure theres black communities but theres no black cities like in the US. They dont need to defend themselves or never needed to like here in the US...you had lynchings KKK and all that. If you dont see any black mexicans if you take a trip to Mexico i wouldnt be suprised.
If a guy from Europe comes to america and visits major cities and never see's a native american, would you be suprised? i dont think you would...but for people that live here in the US we both know that Native Americans are here and they do exist.[/quote]

IF U COMPARE THE NUMBER OF BLACKS IN MEXICO AND IN THE US IT MUST BE FUNNY...YEAH SPANIAR WERE TRIPPIN ON LOCAL NATIVES TREATING THEM LIKE KKK WOULD TREAT BLACKS EVEN WORST

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