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Gang Accused of Conspiring to Kill Blacks

Unread post by Christina Marie » July 5th, 2006, 12:43 am

Gang Accused of Conspiring to Kill Blacks

Federal prosecutors allege that members of the Avenues in L.A. plotted to commit violence against African Americans.

By John Spano, Times Staff Writer

July 4, 2006

Jose Cruz is a walking testament to what happens when a member turns against the Avenues street gang.

He has 30 scars from the stab wounds he suffered in one attempt on his life — on his arms, torso and legs. In another attack, he was beaten so severely that he has a visible dent in his skull, according to court papers, "the size and shape of a pistol butt."


His street gang goes back five generations in Highland Park, which for Cruz is five miles and several lifetimes from the downtown courtroom where he is scheduled to testify as the star witness for the prosecution in the trial of a group of childhood friends.

Federal prosecutors, who launched their case last week, contend that the Avenues gang between 1994 and 2000 conspired to kill African Americans on their turf.

Men, women and children were harassed, terrorized, assaulted and slain as gang members sought to force black residents out of Latino neighborhoods, prosecutors said.

Authorities are using a federal hate-crime law based on the amendment to the U.S. Constitution that outlawed slavery, and another law created in the civil rights era, to go after four gang members. Barbara Bernstein, deputy chief of the criminal section of the civil rights divisions of the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington, is part of the prosecution team.

Attorneys for the defendants — Gilbert Saldana, Alejandro Martinez, Fernando Cazares and Porfirio Avila — have asserted that the federal government has no power to involve itself in a common street crime.

Defense attorney Reuven L. Cohen told jurors last week that one of the slayings cited in the charges — the 1999 shooting of Kenneth Wilson — was not a hate crime but "a simple gang killing committed out of boredom."

Cohen said the crimes sprang from the "sad" truth of "a tension that exists between African American gangs and Latino gangs."

The first of three former gang members, each in custody and hoping for leniency, testified Monday. Jesse Diaz, who described himself as a tagger from age 12, told jurors the Avenues decided to fight the "infestation" of blacks in Highland Park with a systematic terror campaign designed to run them out of the neighborhood.

Diaz, who has 10 more years to serve in prison for attempted murder, said the Avenues hated all rival gangs. But the antipathy for blacks was different, he said.

Highland Park became the scene of a game in which Diaz's group of Avenues actually competed with another "clique" to run the most blacks out of Highland Park, he testified.

Two other informants, one serving a long state prison term and the other a deported immigrant, will tell jurors that Saldana shot Wilson repeatedly in 1999, explaining that Saldana had just acquired a gun and "wanted to test it out."

One told the FBI in interviews that the gang got an order in 1998 from the Mexican Mafia prison gang to "kill any blacks … on sight."

Rick Ortiz, a Los Angeles police spokesman, called the Avenues a "bully" gang that uses its large numbers to intimidate.

"The Avenues have been around for a long time," Ortiz said. "They are the largest gang in the northeast area, with over 500 documented, active members."

Although gang members have for years been subject to a court order that limits their activities, they remain active, authorities said. Their racial antipathy is an outgrowth of prison culture, in which rival street gang members band together by race and then bring those attitudes back to the streets, Ortiz said.

"When you have gang members standing out on the street corners, they intimidate people," he said. "They may commit a minor offense, like vandalism, but people are so afraid of them they won't call in. It diminishes the quality of life in the community."

Heinrich Keifer, president of the Historic Highland Park Neighborhood Council, said racial violence by gang members is not currently a problem in the area.

"Our biggest problem is not so much gangs, although some members of the community are intimidated. It's more the taggers," Keifer said. "They create that feeling that the community is destroyed. The gangs aren't ruling the turf. They're not necessarily muscling people out. There was some of that in the past.

"The area is on the rebound, so much so that many Westsiders are moving in," Keifer said, citing the historic heritage of the area northeast of downtown. "Many of the poorer people are struggling with the rising rents."

As part of his strategy in the case, defense attorney Cohen plans to target the witnesses' credibility.

Diaz and the two other former gang members are lying to curry favor with prosecutors, Cohen said. Defendants Saldana and Avila are in prison, serving life sentences without the possibility of parole for murder. Cazares is in custody on a parole violation. Martinez's custody status could not be determined.

Prosecutors say the gang members conspired in various acts of violence, including:

• Wilson's 1999 killing, which occurred when he returned to his Avenue 52 home late at night after a party, his nephew, Duane Williams, testified Thursday. Wilson was shot repeatedly by Saldana and two others because of his race, Assistant U.S. Atty. Alex Bustamante told jurors.

• Diaz testified that gang members beat a black homeless man with metal weapons, and attacked an African American man speaking on a pay telephone from behind and severely beat him.

Another black man was assaulted on the street because he was walking with a Latina, according to Bustamante.

• Finally, authorities say they have linked the killings of two other men to the Avenues, partly through ballistics. The victims were Christopher Bauser, who was shot execution-style at a bus stop in 2000, and Anthony Prudomme, also killed on a street.

Bustamante offered a chilling view of the mentality of the Avenues as the trial opened in U.S. District Judge Percy Anderson's courtroom. Martinez was driving a van carrying five fellow Avenues members when he spotted Wilson.

"Anybody want to kill a nigger?" Bustamante said.

"Those are not my words, ladies and gentlemen," Bustamante added, gesturing across the room to Martinez. "They are his."

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Unread post by Christina Marie » July 5th, 2006, 12:53 am

Feds using Hate-Crime law to Prosecute LA's Biggest Gang


In a novel way to combat gang-related crime, the Federal government is currently trying four members of the Avenues gang for conspiring to kill African Americans so as to intimidate other black families out of Highland Park. Typically prosecution comes from the city or state level, but the LA Times today reports that the Constitution is being thrown at the gang members.

Authorities are using a federal hate-crime law based on the amendment to the U.S. Constitution that outlawed slavery, and another law created in the civil rights era, to go after four gang members. Barbara Bernstein, deputy chief of the criminal section of the civil rights divisions of the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington, is part of the prosecution team.
The defense claims that one of the murders being discussed happened not because of hate, but because of nothing better to do, describing it as "a simple gang killing committed out of boredom."

We would have loved to have sat in the jury when the defense attorney said something along the lines of "my client, a young man living in Los Angeles, simply could find nothing to do in LA. And then a gentleman who just happened to be Black crossed his path and that of the bullet from my client's gun."

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Unread post by Anonymous20 » July 5th, 2006, 9:55 pm

I wrote a short article about "Racial Tensions between Blacks & Mexicans in Los Angeles are growing" you can check out at:

http://www.streetgangs.com/magazine/

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Unread post by Christina Marie » July 6th, 2006, 1:55 am

Blacks Were Targeted, Witness Insists

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By John Spano
July 05, 2006

A former Avenues street gang member acknowledged Wednesday that he had lied repeatedly about the murder of a black man who authorities allege was the target of an organized campaign to harass, threaten and kill African Americans in Highland Park. The defense in the federal conspiracy case pushed hard to suggest that the violent incidents Jesse Diaz recounted were directed at black gang members, and not all African Americans. But Diaz pushed back, testifying that he repeatedly lied to police, federal agents and grand jurors but in the end told the truth, that the 1999 murder of Kenneth Wilson, 38, was part of a racial cleansing campaign.

Federal authorities need to show that the murder was part of a concerted effort between 1995 and 2000 to push blacks out of the largely blue-collar neighborhood in order to prove their unusual civil rights conspiracy case. Prosecutors, including a top official in the civil rights division of the Justice Department in Washington, are using a Reconstruction-era law to prosecute four gang members for what they call a racially motivated conspiracy to deny blacks the right to select where they want to live. It was the second full day of testimony for Diaz, one of three members of the feared northeast Los Angeles-area street gang set to testify in the case.

Diaz is serving 20 years for the attempted murder of a black man in Highland Park on May 2, 1999. He testified in tan prison garb, his left arm shackled to the witness box. Wilson was gunned down on the street, sustaining wounds from three different weapons. Prosecutors allege the conspiracy also included two other murders, that of Anthony Prudhomme on Nov. 3, 2000, and of Christopher Bauser on Nov. 11, 2000. Defendants Gilbert Saldana, Alejandro Martinez, Fernando Cazares and Porfirio Avila were seated during the testimony with their counsel, behind a three-tiered set of risers built into the courtroom of U.S. District Judge Percy Anderson. In contrast to Diaz, who appeared in prison garb, each defendant was neatly dressed in a pressed shirt. Avila wore thick eyeglasses, and Saldana peered over the rim of reading glasses perched on the tip of his nose. Saldana and Avila are both serving state prison terms of life without parole for murder. Avila was convicted in state court of killing Wilson; authorities said police lacked evidence at the time to charge him with a hate crime. The defense disputes that the murder was part of a campaign, suggesting instead that it was a typical gang killing committed 'out of boredom.' The defense also has cited a general antipathy between violent street gangs, including black and Latino gangs.

Diaz's familiarity with criminal procedure was apparent as he sparred with Deputy Federal Public Defender Reuven L. Cohen, who represents Saldana. The cross-examination covered, in part, seven years of association with federal and Los Angeles law enforcement officials, interviews and testimony. 'I don't remember,' Diaz responded at one point. 'Would you like me to refresh my memory?' - parroting a phrase lawyers often use to prompt witnesses.

'I would love to refresh your memory,' Cohen replied. The day included fewer of the racial epithets that punctuated Diaz's earlier testimony. One white female juror had physically recoiled in apparent disgust as Diaz described the Avenues' alleged hatred of African Americans.


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Unread post by Christina Marie » July 6th, 2006, 1:55 am

alonso wrote:I wrote a short article about "Racial Tensions between Blacks & Mexicans in Los Angeles are growing" you can check out at:

http://www.streetgangs.com/magazine/
Good article

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Unread post by Low_Dogg » July 6th, 2006, 2:32 am

Wetbacks are crazy.They really needs to get back to the mexico.

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » July 6th, 2006, 9:41 am

The Avenues gang is an old LA gang, i dont think they even have one "wetback" member. Low dogg i bet you call all mexicans wetbacks...since thats how alot of mexicans entered this country then would you like to be called slave?? since thats how your people entered this country??? i dont think so....so respect.

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Unread post by Aquafresh » July 6th, 2006, 11:32 am

Defense attorney Reuven L. Cohen told jurors last week that one of the slayings cited in the charges — the 1999 shooting of Kenneth Wilson — was not a hate crime but 'a simple gang killing committed out of boredom.'
Shit... they should have said that in the first place. That changes EVERYTHING :!: :roll:

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Defense attorney Reuven L. Cohen told jurors last week that one of the slayings cited in the charges ?the 1999 shooting of Kenneth Wilson ?was not a hate crime but 'a simple gang killing committed out of boredom.'
Shit... they should have said that in the first place. That changes EVERYTHING :!: :roll:

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aww man you should be a lawyer Aquafresh... just as soon as you get the porno and anti-damu stuff off your page haha

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Unread post by Christina Marie » July 9th, 2006, 3:38 pm

A Gang War With a Twist
Gangbangers in L.A. on trial for deadly hate crimes.

By Andrew Murr
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July 17, 2006 issue - Kenneth Wilson was murdered looking for a parking spot in Latino gang territory. Driving in the working-class Los Angeles neighborhood of Highland Park in 1999, the African-American man passed a stolen van filled with members of the feared Avenues street gang. Seeing Wilson, one of the Latino gangsters asked: "You wanna kill a n----r?" according to one gang member who has become an informant for federal prosecutors. "F--- it!" the others agreed, as three of them barreled out of the van and gunned down the 38-year-old.


Was Wilson killed because he was black? That's what federal prosecutors in L.A. contend, and they're taking the unusual approach of prosecuting four of the Avenues gang-bangers under a civil-rights-era statute and a hate-crime law based on the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery. The men are on trial in a high-security courtroom, charged with a six-year conspiracy to enforce an alleged gang "policy" to intimidate blacks into steering clear of predominantly Latino Highland Park. Kenneth Wilson was killed "because the Avenues had promised each other ... that they would drive African-Americans out of the neighborhood by threats, by force, by murder," prosecutor Alex Bustamante told jurors in his opening statement.

The heart of the case against Gilbert (Lucky) Saldaña, Alex (Bird) Martinez, Fernando (Sneaky) Cazares and Porfirio (Dreamer) Avila—a fifth Avenues gangster is still a fugitive—will come from the testimony of three former gang members turned informants. The informants will attempt to connect the defendants to a series of two dozen assaults, threats and intimidations between 1995 and 2001—including the murders of two local black men, Chris Bowser and Anthony Prudhomme.

Defense attorneys acknowledge that their clients were members of the Avenues, a gang with roots reaching back four generations. But they maintain that the violence was part of gang life, not a vendetta against blacks. "It wasn't racially based," said attorney Mike Shannon, who represents Cazares. Already, the defense team is trying to discredit the informants, pointing out that they have been granted immunity: Jesse Diaz and Jose de la Cruz, who is serving a life sentence for Wilson's murder, are both in state prison and are hoping to receive reduced sentences in exchange for helping prosecutors.

Meanwhile, two of the defendants are already serving life sentences. If prosecutors have their way, all four will be behind bars for life—making the streets of Highland Park safer not only for blacks but for everyone.



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Unread post by Aquafresh » July 9th, 2006, 4:55 pm

MiChuhSuh wrote: aww man you should be a lawyer Aquafresh... just as soon as you get the porno and anti-damu stuff off your page haha
The site that I used to link those .gif's from has been taken down. So, I had to do an "update." Let's just say it's more "tasteful" now!

The "rest" shall STAY, though!!!! :wink:

I've been studying the law, for personal reasons, since I was eleven years old. I focused a lot on drug/firearm laws, & the 1st, 2nd, 4th, & 5th ammendment.

If you really think about it, those are the laws that most catz "deal" with in OUR culture. When I was young, bo' brice would illegally search my home almost every week. They had NO search warrant & sometimes wouldn't even identify themselves.

That shit changed once I began to study the Constitution. :wink: I even won a case against the DPD (i.e. settlement) when I was seventeen. The cops had a warrant, but warrants specify EXACTLY where they CAN &/or CAN NOT search. Fucc-boi's searched in the wrong place, FOUND SOMETHIN', but they couldn't press charges 'cause I FEEL BACK ON THE WARRANT SPECIFICATIONS! ON TOP OF THAT, I GOT TO SUE!!! :lol:

I enjoy finding the loop holes & minipulating it to my advantage, NOT, enforcing or "taking part" in the law! I let the jud-heads(judicial-heads i.e. judges, cop's, lawyers, p.o.'s, etc.) handle that! :?

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Unread post by Aquafresh » July 9th, 2006, 5:01 pm

Back on topic:

A loop hole is exactly what their defense attorney is trying to pull out of his ass!!!

Since the federal charges are based on a hate crime (which is the whole reason why it's a "federal/conspiracy" charge in the first place), it's his job to convince the "state" that it was just a "regular" murder, with' no "serious" motive.

Of course, my earlier post was sort of poking fun @that sorry excuse for a defense. :roll:

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Unread post by Christina Marie » July 9th, 2006, 5:21 pm

would illegally search my home almost every week. They had NO search warrant & sometimes wouldn't even identify themselves.

That shit changed once I began to study the Constitution. I even won a case against the DPD (i.e. settlement) when I was seventeen. The cops had a warrant, but warrants specify EXACTLY where they CAN &/or CAN NOT search. mess-boi's searched in the wrong place, FOUND SOMETHIN', but they couldn't press charges 'cause I FEEL BACK ON THE WARRANT SPECIFICATIONS! ON TOP OF THAT, I GOT TO SUE!!!

I enjoy finding the loop holes & minipulating it to my advantage, NOT, enforcing or "taking part" in the law! I let the jud-heads(judicial-heads i.e. judges, cop's, lawyers, p.o.'s, etc.) handle that!
You too huh?

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Unread post by Aquafresh » July 9th, 2006, 6:49 pm

Which part? The illegal search, court settlement,...... :?:

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Unread post by Christina Marie » July 9th, 2006, 6:54 pm

Aquafresh wrote:Which part? The illegal search, court settlement,...... :?:
Them coming to you're house for weekly "visits". The illegal search, winning the case. I also could have sued (wish I HAD) but at the time I was just happy to have won the damn case. So I took my good luck and ran....lol.

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Re: Gang Accused of Conspiring to Kill Blacks

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Christina Marie wrote:Gang Accused of Conspiring to Kill Blacks

Federal prosecutors allege that members of the Avenues in L.A. plotted to commit violence against African Americans.

By John Spano, Times Staff Writer

July 4, 2006

Jose Cruz is a walking testament to what happens when a member turns against the Avenues street gang.

He has 30 scars from the stab wounds he suffered in one attempt on his life — on his arms, torso and legs. In another attack, he was beaten so severely that he has a visible dent in his skull, according to court papers, "the size and shape of a pistol butt."


His street gang goes back five generations in Highland Park, which for Cruz is five miles and several lifetimes from the downtown courtroom where he is scheduled to testify as the star witness for the prosecution in the trial of a group of childhood friends.

Federal prosecutors, who launched their case last week, contend that the Avenues gang between 1994 and 2000 conspired to kill African Americans on their turf.

Men, women and children were harassed, terrorized, assaulted and slain as gang members sought to force black residents out of Latino neighborhoods, prosecutors said.

Authorities are using a federal hate-crime law based on the amendment to the U.S. Constitution that outlawed slavery, and another law created in the civil rights era, to go after four gang members. Barbara Bernstein, deputy chief of the criminal section of the civil rights divisions of the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington, is part of the prosecution team.

Attorneys for the defendants — Gilbert Saldana, Alejandro Martinez, Fernando Cazares and Porfirio Avila — have asserted that the federal government has no power to involve itself in a common street crime.

Defense attorney Reuven L. Cohen told jurors last week that one of the slayings cited in the charges — the 1999 shooting of Kenneth Wilson — was not a hate crime but "a simple gang killing committed out of boredom."

Cohen said the crimes sprang from the "sad" truth of "a tension that exists between African American gangs and Latino gangs."

The first of three former gang members, each in custody and hoping for leniency, testified Monday. Jesse Diaz, who described himself as a tagger from age 12, told jurors the Avenues decided to fight the "infestation" of blacks in Highland Park with a systematic terror campaign designed to run them out of the neighborhood.

Diaz, who has 10 more years to serve in prison for attempted murder, said the Avenues hated all rival gangs. But the antipathy for blacks was different, he said.

Highland Park became the scene of a game in which Diaz's group of Avenues actually competed with another "clique" to run the most blacks out of Highland Park, he testified.

Two other informants, one serving a long state prison term and the other a deported immigrant, will tell jurors that Saldana shot Wilson repeatedly in 1999, explaining that Saldana had just acquired a gun and "wanted to test it out."

One told the FBI in interviews that the gang got an order in 1998 from the Mexican Mafia prison gang to "kill any blacks … on sight."

Rick Ortiz, a Los Angeles police spokesman, called the Avenues a "bully" gang that uses its large numbers to intimidate.

"The Avenues have been around for a long time," Ortiz said. "They are the largest gang in the northeast area, with over 500 documented, active members."

Although gang members have for years been subject to a court order that limits their activities, they remain active, authorities said. Their racial antipathy is an outgrowth of prison culture, in which rival street gang members band together by race and then bring those attitudes back to the streets, Ortiz said.

"When you have gang members standing out on the street corners, they intimidate people," he said. "They may commit a minor offense, like vandalism, but people are so afraid of them they won't call in. It diminishes the quality of life in the community."

Heinrich Keifer, president of the Historic Highland Park Neighborhood Council, said racial violence by gang members is not currently a problem in the area.

"Our biggest problem is not so much gangs, although some members of the community are intimidated. It's more the taggers," Keifer said. "They create that feeling that the community is destroyed. The gangs aren't ruling the turf. They're not necessarily muscling people out. There was some of that in the past.

"The area is on the rebound, so much so that many Westsiders are moving in," Keifer said, citing the historic heritage of the area northeast of downtown. "Many of the poorer people are struggling with the rising rents."

As part of his strategy in the case, defense attorney Cohen plans to target the witnesses' credibility.

Diaz and the two other former gang members are lying to curry favor with prosecutors, Cohen said. Defendants Saldana and Avila are in prison, serving life sentences without the possibility of parole for murder. Cazares is in custody on a parole violation. Martinez's custody status could not be determined.

Prosecutors say the gang members conspired in various acts of violence, including:

• Wilson's 1999 killing, which occurred when he returned to his Avenue 52 home late at night after a party, his nephew, Duane Williams, testified Thursday. Wilson was shot repeatedly by Saldana and two others because of his race, Assistant U.S. Atty. Alex Bustamante told jurors.

• Diaz testified that gang members beat a black homeless man with metal weapons, and attacked an African American man speaking on a pay telephone from behind and severely beat him.

Another black man was assaulted on the street because he was walking with a Latina, according to Bustamante.

• Finally, authorities say they have linked the killings of two other men to the Avenues, partly through ballistics. The victims were Christopher Bauser, who was shot execution-style at a bus stop in 2000, and Anthony Prudomme, also killed on a street.

Bustamante offered a chilling view of the mentality of the Avenues as the trial opened in U.S. District Judge Percy Anderson's courtroom. Martinez was driving a van carrying five fellow Avenues members when he spotted Wilson.

"Anybody want to kill a nigger?" Bustamante said.

"Those are not my words, ladies and gentlemen," Bustamante added, gesturing across the room to Martinez. "They are his."

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*What else is new? I expressed the same sentiments in this piece, concerning sureno devils wanting to intentionally take out black folks, not because of any gang affiliations, but because of racial reasons, and the response from folks a couple of years ago-even black gang members-on this site, wasn't all too complimentary. As a matter of fact, folks thought I was extreme and on the lunatic fringe, with my beliefs. Fools would say that the tensions between black and brown street gangs were strictly gang-related, and not racial.

BS!!! The mexican collective, especially those down south (if you know what I mean) are the enemies of black folks, their interests, and their very existence-AND IT'S HIGH TIME FOR BLACK FOLKS TO WAKE UP TO THAT REALITY, AND ORGANIZE!!

Simply put, THERE IS NO LOVE COMING FROM THE BROWN, AND BLACK FOLKS ARE LIVING A MASTURBATORY LIKE DREAM STATE IF THEY THINK THAT THE BROWN WILL EVER UNITE WITH BLACK FOLKS, WANT TO UNITE WITH BLACK FOLKS, AND HAVE THE WILL TO UNITE WITH BLACK FOLKS!

Brown folks (mainly those south of the border) don't want anything to do with your black asses but to arrogate certain cultural trends from you, fuck some of your women (or men even), and see you as a corpse. Mexicans, especially those down south, are no better than racist white folks, PERIOD!! They're one and the same...

I know that shit sounds harsh, but that's the present reality, and if you fools think I'm wrong-THEN TIME WILL TELL!

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » July 13th, 2006, 12:21 am

Only hardcore gangmembers have become racist...the kind that take their orders from veteranos and people in the pen.
I dont know why you keep including "Mexicans from down south". Mexicans in mexico are not racist. Especially not paisas...they come into this country feeling alienated and trying to make an honest living. They dont have time for that racist non-sense.
And I dont know why you include homosexual refernces when you say they want to have sex with black women AND men. Their's homosexuals in every race.
There's very attractive black women out there just like there's very attractive women of every race and I'm sure plenty of mexicans would like to be with one just like there's plenty of black men that love mexican women. But you make it seem like thats a goal of all mexicans....to have sex with black women and kill black men. RIDICULOUS.

As for the Avenues gang being just flat out racist is just wrong in every way possible. But when a gang such as the Ave's take their SUR13 to heart they are going to do what they've been told to do by older members who have turned a PRISON gang beef into a racist street beef.

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Unread post by Y.G. » July 13th, 2006, 1:42 am

streetsIswatchin wrote:Only hardcore gangmembers have become racist...the kind that take their orders from veteranos and people in the pen.
I dont know why you keep including "Mexicans from down south". Mexicans in mexico are not racist. Especially not paisas...they come into this country feeling alienated and trying to make an honest living. They dont have time for that racist non-sense.
And I dont know why you include homosexual refernces when you say they want to have sex with black women AND men. Their's homosexuals in every race.
There's very attractive black women out there just like there's very attractive women of every race and I'm sure plenty of mexicans would like to be with one just like there's plenty of black men that love mexican women. But you make it seem like thats a goal of all mexicans....to have sex with black women and kill black men. RIDICULOUS.

As for the Avenues gang being just flat out racist is just wrong in every way possible. But when a gang such as the Ave's take their SUR13 to heart they are going to do what they've been told to do by older members who have turned a PRISON gang beef into a racist street beef.

YOU ARE RIGHT BECAUSE I REAL COOL WITH THE PAISAS I WOULD BE COOL WITH THEM ANY DAY OVER AN ESE (CHOLO).

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''They Wanted All Blacks Out''
Federal trial exposes the Avenues of hate

By CHRISTINE PELISEK
Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 6:00 pm


The three African-American men had just spent another evening at the Lodge, a popular gay bar in North Hollywood. It had become a ritual for 38-year-old Kenneth Kurry Wilson, his nephew, Dewayne Williams, 29, and their friend Frank Eubanks, ever since Williams moved into Highland Park, the predominantly Latino neighborhood just a jog north on Figueroa from downtown. Wilson, dressed in a yellow shirt, black jeans and his trademark black boots, was the designated driver. By the time the three men pulled up in front of Williams’ place in a two-story apartment building on Avenue 52, it was around 3:30 a.m. on a Sunday. By then, Williams was passed out drunk in the back seat of the car. Wilson went to park their ride, a gold ’84 Fleetwood Cadillac, while his nephew’s roommates helped Williams up the stairs and into his apartment.

While Wilson scoured Avenue 52 for a spot, six Avenues gang members in a stolen van were winding down an evening of looking for rival gangsters who were “slipping” — or letting their guard down. The gangsters wound their way through the narrow streets of Highland Park, Cypress Park and Dogtown gang territory, crossing out other gang tags and spray-painting “Aves” and “Avenidas” along the way. That night they were on a “mission,” so they wore gloves, dark clothing and beanies. Their scanner was programmed to the Los Angeles Police Department’s Northeast Division frequency so they would know about any police cruisers patrolling the area. The gangsters were carrying a .357 revolver, a 9 mm semiautomatic and a 12-gauge shotgun.

They spotted Wilson driving the Cadillac as they made their way down Avenue 52. They watched Wilson make a U-turn and slow down to park. The driver said to his friends: “Hey, wanna kill a nigger?”

Little else was said except “Fuck it.” That’s the scene as described by Jose de la Cruz, a former Avenues gang member, who testified this month in federal court that he and two other gangsters then jumped out of the van and ran toward the Cadillac. All three men opened fire, blowing out the Cadillac’s back and side windows, and one of its tires. A single bullet entered the back of Wilson’s neck, severing his carotid artery and lodging near his throat. He died within minutes.

“He dropped,” said de la Cruz about Wilson’s murder, on April 18, 1999. “He just stopped moving.”

De la Cruz and another Avenues gangster, Jesse Diaz, were two of the key witnesses to testify in the ongoing hate-crime trial in federal court in downtown Los Angeles. Federal prosecutors alleged that Gilbert “Lucky” Saldana, 27, Alejandro “Bird” Martinez, 29, Fernando “Sneaky” Cazares, 26, and Porfirio “Dreamer” Avila, 31 — all members of the Avenues gang clique known as Aves 43 — agreed to kill in order to run black people out of Highland Park. Another defendant, Merced “Shadow” Cambero, 28, is a fugitive. The jury should begin deliberations this week.

Both de la Cruz and Diaz claimed that they were in the van on the night of Wilson’s murder along with the defendants — testimony their defense attorneys disputed. De La Cruz is currently serving a 45-year sentence in state prison for his role in Wilson’s slaying. Diaz is serving a 20-year state sentence for the attempted murder of a police officer. Both men agreed to testify against their childhood chums in the hope that they would get time knocked off their sentences.

“They are not choirboys,” said Assistant U.S. Attorney Alex Bustamante about de la Cruz and Diaz, who were both shackled to the witness box. “They are in jail for violent crimes. They are not testifying out of the goodness of their hearts. They have agreements with the government.”


Porfirio Avila (top) and Alejandro Martinez (bottom) face hate-crime charges in federal court. Codefendant Merced Cambero is a fugitive.
In 2003, Diaz and de la Cruz were contacted by the FBI, who were investigating the possibility of bringing hate-crime charges against the Aves 43 after local law enforcement informed federal authorities about a rash of hate-crime-related incidents. (See Pelisek’s related story, “Avenues of Death,” at laweekly.com.) The two men agreed to cooperate if the government helped them in their efforts to have their sentences reduced. Prosecutors agreed to send letters to Diaz and de la Cruz’s state sentencing judges.

In 2004, federal authorities indicted Saldana, Cazares, Martinez and Cambero on federal weapons and civil rights charges. On November 16, 2005, Avila was added to the list of those federally indicted. While on the lam, Cambero was arrested under a false name by Ventura law-enforcement officials but was let go accidentally. On another occasion, police believe they chased him over a fence in Highland Park.

In addition to de la Cruz and Diaz’s testimonies, the 12 jurors heard from black residents of Highland Park who said that they had been harassed, attacked and subjected to racial slurs by the Aves 43. These allegations, which occurred between 1995 and 2001, included the attempted murder of a homeless man, racial slurs directed at a girl in a supermarket and a black police officer, and the drawing of chalk outlines of human bodies in the driveway of a black resident’s home. Other black residents were repeatedly told to move out of the Highland Park neighborhood and called racial slurs like “nigger” and “mayate.”

“They wanted all blacks out of the neighborhood, not just African-American men, not just African-American gang members but all African-American women and children,” said Bustamante.

The federal hate-crime trial also involves the murder of two other black men, Christopher Bowser and Anthony Prudhomme, who were both killed in 2000. Cazares, Cambero, Martinez and Saldana are charged with violating a federal hate-crime statute, which is based on the 13th Amendment to the Constitution outlawing slavery, by allegedly killing Wilson because of his race, and while he was on a public street. (Civil rights laws say everyone has the right to use public streets without the threat of violence.) The four defendants are also charged with using a firearm. They and Avila face conspiracy charges for allegedly interfering with the housing rights of black residents in Highland Park through violence and threats.



In the June 28 opening statements, deputy federal public defender Reuven Cohen accused the government of turning the murders into a “conspiracy” instead of a common street crime. And he said Diaz and de la Cruz repeatedly told lies that the detectives and prosecutors fell for. Diaz, he claimed, wasn’t even present during the Wilson murder. “This indictment was meant to grab headlines,” said Manuel Araujo, co-deputy federal public defender. “It is based on fiction.”

Defense attorneys also argued that the statute was “unconstitutional” and that it was specifically designed to target not street crimes, but the bigotry that interfered with the civil rights historically denied blacks in the Southern states.

Porfirio “Dreamer” Avila is currently serving life without the possibility of parole in state prison for his role in the 2000 killings. Except for Avila and “Lucky” Saldana, who is in prison for unrelated murder charges, the remaining defendants, who were allegedly members of one of the most active and violent cliques of the Avenues, face life terms in federal prison if convicted.

It is the first time that the U.S. Attorney’s Office has used the hate-crime statute against a street gang. It has been used in the past to prosecute a black teenager for his role in the murder of an Orthodox Jew, and against a group of neo-Nazi skinheads who terrorized blacks and Hispanics in a Montana park.

More hate-crime cases are on the horizon for the Avenues. Avenues member Freddy Bailon, 24, goes on trial in Los Angeles County District Court for the racially motivated attempted murder of a black man in Highland Park in 2005.

The Avenues take their name from the numbered corridors that slice through Figueroa Street, Highland Park’s bustling main drag, home to mom-and-pop grocery stores, check-cashing businesses, nail salons, swap meets, car washes, fast-food joints and a smattering of restaurants, galleries and nightclubs. Along the five-mile-long boulevard, 1910s historic Craftsman homes and bungalows and newly built luxury apartments sit just a stone’s throw from congested pockets of rent-subsidized apartments and ramshackle homes with overgrown lawns. It has been the home of the Avenues gang since the 1950s.

Members sport gang tattoos that include a bullet-pierced skull with a fedora, or the letters LA, AVES, A or Avenidos. When the Mexican Mafia brought drugs into the mix in the 1980s, the Avenues, which started as a club, increased their penchant for violence.

In the early 1990s, the police blamed the Avenues for more than half of the 200-plus homicides in the northeast L.A. neighborhoods of Highland Park, Glassell Park, Cypress Park and Eagle Rock. Three-year-old Stephanie Kuhen’s murder by gang members, who fired on her family’s car as her lost stepfather tried to turn around on a dead-end street, intensified police efforts to rid the neighborhood of the 800-member gang.

The Avenues also drew the attention of federal authorities alarmed by the Mexican Mafia’s bid to extend the group’s influence outside of California’s prisons. The first major law-enforcement crackdown came when Avenues boss and Mexican Mafia member Alex “Pee Wee” Aguirre was sentenced to a life term in 1997. It was soon followed by a gang injunction by the City Attorney’s Office and a series of trials that took a handful of Avenues members off the streets.

During the ’90s, more blacks were moving into Highland Park because of the availability of affordable housing.

“They [Avenues members] hated the increase in the black population,” said LAPD Lieutenant Bob Lopez from the witness box. “It was changing the makeup in the neighborhood and they weren’t happy with it.”

At the same time, Avenues gang members were hearing from the Mexican Mafia that they had to take care of the blacks. “They were told to kill any ‘nigger’ on sight and that all blacks had a ‘green light’ on them,” wrote FBI agent Jerry Fradella in a report, after interviewing a former Avenues member in 2005. “Their policy became one that they were to kill any blacks, or to beat their ‘asses’ if they could not kill them at the time. An Avenues member who did not follow this policy would get ‘court checked,’ slang for an ass whipping.”

Meetings to discuss the “infestation” of blacks and how the Avenues had to get rid of them were held, off and on, in a park near a local recreation center, Diaz testified.

“It was a Hispanic neighborhood,” he said. “We didn’t want them making our neighborhood look like South-Central. If you see them, fuck them up. Whatever it would take to get them out of the neighborhood. We wrote ‘fuck niggers’ on the wall around places where black people lived to send a message.”

Lopez said that police began to see an increase in crimes and racial graffiti like “Niggers Go Home” carried out by the Avenues. A handful of black residents and at least one police officer who testified bore the brunt of the gang’s racial hatred, according to federal prosecutors. Celeste Shaffer, a plant manager with the Los Angeles Unified School District, said that she was subjected to racial slurs, chased regularly and told to move out of Highland Park repeatedly in the mid-’90s. She moved out in 1996 because she was fearful “that my sons would be killed by the Avenues.” Dagan Wallace, a retail-theft investigator who lived in Highland Park in 1999, told jurors that he had a gun pointed at his head by Avenues members while he was listening to music in his backyard. On another occasion, he told the court that Avenues members called him “monkey” and warned him not to tag on their walls.

Jimmie Israel, 28, who lived on Avenue 39, testified that the Avenues regularly cut into his walkie-talkie frequency and threatened to burn his house down if he didn’t move out. In 2000, Israel filed a complaint with the police after his sister was beaten up and the Avenues threatened him with a box cutter. LAPD officer Young Honor told jurors one of the suspects called him “nigger” when he investigated the attack.

“It was quite brazen,” he said from the witness box. “We went around the corner to regroup and called for backup. We told him to line up against the fence and told him to face the house and spread his legs. He said, ‘Fuck you, nigger.’ In his body language he challenged me to a fight. His friends were laughing and it was like energy to them. He was like Mr. Big Shot.”

Highland Park also became the playground for a ruthless game in which the Avenues competed against another clique to run as many blacks out of the area as they could, Diaz said.

During this period, Cambero, Martinez, Avila, Saldana and Cazares were members of the Tiny Locos, the youngest clique of the Aves 43. Most of the group were childhood chums. Saldana and Martinez, who wears a tattoo on the back of his head that reads 43 Kills for Thrills, grew up together on the same street. According to Diaz, Martinez called the shots. Cambero was considered the most prolific tagger of the group. Cazares, who lived in Fillmore, hung out in Highland Park on the weekends. Saldana was nicknamed “Lucky” because he constantly outran the police. His former girlfriend testified that he regularly carried a 9 mm in his waistband.

De la Cruz began hanging around the Aves 43 at the end of 1998. They went on missions two or three times a week, he said. Their equipment included scanners and walkie-talkies.

“They [Aves 43] were doing more stuff,” said de la Cruz. “More gangbanging. Instead of hanging out with girls, they were putting in work for the neighborhood.”



Dewayne Williams and his roommates were in the living room of their three-bedroom apartment when they heard the eight shots that broke through the night back in April of 1999. They hit the floor before looking out onto the street. The Cadillac had crashed into a van. The roommates ran down to the street and saw Wilson slumped over the driver’s seat. He was trying to speak.

“It sounded like ‘help me, help me,’” testified a frail and grief-stricken Williams. “I was freaked out. I was running down the street hollering. He took care of his mother in San Bernardino. He was afraid to come to L.A. He was always in San Bernardino. That’s all he knew, was San Bernardino.”

The six Avenues gang members in the van heard the police response to the shots over the scanner. They spoke briefly about their deadly rampage, according to de la Cruz, who testified that Cambero was the first one out of the van, firing his .357. The bullet shattered the pas­­sen­ger window and entered Wilson’s neck. De la Cruz, armed with the shotgun, walked alongside the car while firing into the side and shattering the back window. Saldana shot last, firing his 9 mm twice. According to de la Cruz, Martinez chastised Saldana for “burning” the gun because Wilson was already dead and the police could run ballistic tests on the shell casings. “Lucky said, ‘Fuck it,’” recalled de la Cruz.

Cambero, de la Cruz, Diaz and Saldana were dropped off a few miles from the scene. Cazares and Martinez drove off to dump the van. While they were hiding out, the four gangsters heard gunfire and ran to see what was going on. Martinez and Cazares mistakenly got into a shootout with a group of older Avenues members they believed were from the Dogtown gang. The gangsters spent the next few hours hiding in backyards to dodge the police, according to de la Cruz.

The Avenues might have continued their murder spree unabated, if not for another bloody twist of fate. On February 21, 1999, two months before Wilson’s murder, 21-year-old Jaime Cerda and his brother Rene were shot and killed while they were passengers in a car. White Fence gang member Saul Audelo was later arrested for their murder. Audelo told Hollenbeck Division detectives that he sold the murder weapon, a 9 mm semiautomatic, to Saldana for $250. The detectives searched Saldana’s home on May 9, looking for the gun. No weapon was recovered but Saldana admitted to detectives that he had purchased the gun from Audelo and said he got rid of it before Wilson’s murder. At the time, detectives were merely looking for the Cerda murder weapon and hadn’t connected it to the Wilson murder, which was being handled by Northeast Division detectives. Detectives there didn’t have a break in the case for months, until ballistic testing revealed that the 9 mm bullet casings found at the Wilson crime scene matched those found at Cerda’s murder scene.

Seven months after Saldana was questioned about the gun, in December of 1999, Diaz, who was incarcerated in Wasco State Prison for the attempted murder of an LAPD officer and her three friends, told the detectives about his role in the killing of a black man, Wilson, on Avenue 52. During the interview, Diaz didn’t mention Martinez or Cazares, the driver and one of the lookouts respectively.

Detectives picked up de la Cruz and Saldana two months later, on February 13, 2000. Separately, Saldana and de la Cruz were asked to listen to Diaz’s taped confession. Saldana denied any involvement in the murder. But de la Cruz, who was 18 at the time, folded after he heard the tape and was told by police that Saldana had also confessed. De la Cruz, who was arrested that same day, also didn’t implicate Martinez or Cazares in the crime. Saldana didn’t confess, and he maintained that he wasn’t there. Having failed to recover the gun that would have connected him to the murder, police were forced to release him. (In 2003, however, de la Cruz and Diaz did implicate Martinez and Cazares to the FBI.)



In October of 2000 — more than a year and a half after Wilson’s murder — LAPD officer Fernando Carrasco responded to a 911 call to the Highland Park home of Angel Brown. Brown told the officer that her 28-year-old son Christopher Bowser had been attacked and robbed while he was waiting at a bus stop on Figueroa Street. He had abrasions on the right side of his face. Reluctantly, Bowser told the officer that two Hispanic men beat him up and stole his necklace. He also admitted that he knew one of his attackers to be an Avenues gang member. He refused to press charges, though, explaining that he feared retaliation.

It wasn’t the fist time Bowser had run-ins with the Avenues since he moved into Highland Park with his mother in 1989. He had been regularly chased down the street, threatened and, on at least one occasion, beaten by members of the Aves 43 set, according to Don Petrie, a friend of Bowser’s since elementary school who lived across the street from Bowser and his mother. Petrie said that both he and Bowser regularly escaped beatings, had been shot at, almost run over and had bottles thrown at them by the gang. Petrie said that gang members would drive up and down their block looking for the two.

Petrie admitted on the stand that he was a former member of the Crips gang, but said the attacks had nothing to do with his gang affiliation. “It was a black issue,” he said. “It never was a gang issue. I never had any problem with any Hispanic gangs except the Avenues. When I was active there were Latino gangs in my area and we didn’t have any problems. No rivalry.” A defense attorney rebutted Petrie’s account in his closing argument, saying that the alleged conflicts were indeed gang-related and that Petrie’s testimony was colored by his anger over his friend’s death.

A month after the attack at the bus stop, Bowser filed a complaint when his attacker drove by his house and pointed a gun at him. Martinez, the man Diaz described as the shot caller in the van on the night of Wilson’s murder, and one of the more respected members of the Aves 43, was arrested on December 3, 2000, for the bus-stop robbery of Bowser. Eight days later, Bowser was shot three times in the head at the same bus stop. The father of four died instantly. Police believed that Martinez called the hit on Bowser from jail.

“He walked around our neighborhood like it was his neighborhood,” said Diaz. “Like it was his neighborhood instead of the Avenues neighborhood. It was how he walked. He would walk around with a boom box playing rap music. That doesn’t happen in our neighborhood. Black people walking around like they own the place.”

At the same time, detectives were investigating the murder of another black man that occurred a month earlier. Student and aspiring music producer Anthony Prudhomme, 21, had just moved into a hillside basement apartment in Highland Park. According to police accounts, at around 2 a.m., two men broke into his apartment and shot him twice, using a pillow to muffle the sound. The gunmen escaped in a van as patrol cars pulled up.

Nearly a year later, an informant told police that a fellow gang member from the Avenues said he and another gangster had done the “murder on the hill.” On December 5, 2001, with the aid of the informant’s statement, Avila was arrested for the murder of Prudhomme. Avila was later accused of murdering Bowser, when ballistics evidence found that the same gun was used in both Prudhomme’s and Bowser’s murders. Avila was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole for the two murders. His accomplice was never charged.

In federal court last week, prosecutors aired a jailhouse phone call between Avila and another Avenues member shortly after Bowser’s murder, in which Avila boasted that he and other Avenues members, including Martinez, had been “fucking up” Bowser for weeks. “Yeah,” he said. “That fool is fucking gone, eh.”

Martinez’s attorney, Sonia Chahin, said that portion of the recording was taken out of context. “This case is about that all Avenues have a policy of running black people out of the neighborhood. It is simply not the case.”

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Unread post by Oaktown_G » July 26th, 2006, 10:11 pm

streetsIswatchin wrote:Only hardcore gangmembers have become racist...the kind that take their orders from veteranos and people in the pen.
I dont know why you keep including "Mexicans from down south". Mexicans in mexico are not racist. Especially not paisas...they come into this country feeling alienated and trying to make an honest living. They dont have time for that racist non-sense.
And I dont know why you include homosexual refernces when you say they want to have sex with black women AND men. Their's homosexuals in every race.
There's very attractive black women out there just like there's very attractive women of every race and I'm sure plenty of mexicans would like to be with one just like there's plenty of black men that love mexican women. But you make it seem like thats a goal of all mexicans....to have sex with black women and kill black men. RIDICULOUS.

As for the Avenues gang being just flat out racist is just wrong in every way possible. But when a gang such as the Ave's take their SUR13 to heart they are going to do what they've been told to do by older members who have turned a PRISON gang beef into a racist street beef.



Youre right I work with some mexicans who come over from mexico are actually very friendly even though they may not speak much english there cool with me but yall them socal mexicans lol they on some other type shit.

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Unread post by Dr. Gonzo » July 28th, 2006, 10:34 am

I know a fag from Avenues who married a black chick. Weird, huh?

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Unread post by WINO » July 28th, 2006, 7:52 pm

Dr. Gonzo wrote:I know a fag from Avenues who married a black chick. Weird, huh?
And i feel sorry for the ape-like half breed child who will be rejected by all of respectable society.....the only hope for the freakish child would be if he were born retarded.....then he/she/it could live the black dream of living on charity.

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Unread post by Christina Marie » July 28th, 2006, 8:21 pm

WINO wrote:
Dr. Gonzo wrote:I know a fag from Avenues who married a black chick. Weird, huh?
And i feel sorry for the ape-like half breed child who will be rejected by all of respectable society.....the only hope for the freakish child would be if he were born retarded.....then he/she/it could live the black dream of living on charity.
You are a sorry ass racist piece of crap. The lowest form of human being next to child molesters and you feel sorry for them? :roll:

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Unread post by WINO » July 28th, 2006, 8:27 pm

Christina Marie wrote:
WINO wrote:
Dr. Gonzo wrote:I know a fag from Avenues who married a black chick. Weird, huh?
And i feel sorry for the ape-like half breed child who will be rejected by all of respectable society.....the only hope for the freakish child would be if he were born retarded.....then he/she/it could live the black dream of living on charity.
You are a sorry ass racist piece of crap. The lowest form of human being next to child molesters and you feel sorry for them? :roll:

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yeah, i'm racist and proud....and tired of this 'streetgang" scum who are making life unbearable for god-fearing white folk who go to work everyday to support the devient habits of nigger scum....mostly by welfare dole to the lazy fucks who would rather down a "40" than contribute in any meaningful manner.

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Unread post by Christina Marie » July 28th, 2006, 8:37 pm

The irony....you cant muster one intelligent/constructive thought to contribute you are so caught up in your world of hate.

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Unread post by BxMilitia » July 28th, 2006, 9:07 pm

yea, drink a 40 n then smack u upside the head with that shit... lol

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Unread post by BxMilitia » July 28th, 2006, 9:12 pm

u kno, theres sum respectful caucasians but theres also pussies like wino that keep killin the connection n that jus HAVE TO discriminate against people that are already strugglin with their lives and their race, instead of stopin the problem, ur contributing to it...i sound way more mature, n smarter than U mister almighty "minority killer"...... of yea and this is someone from the"mud race" thats skoolin ur bitch ass

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Unread post by A Ghost » July 28th, 2006, 9:13 pm

WINO wrote:
Dr. Gonzo wrote:I know a fag from Avenues who married a black chick. Weird, huh?
And i feel sorry for the ape-like half breed child who will be rejected by all of respectable society.....the only hope for the freakish child would be if he were born retarded.....then he/she/it could live the black dream of living on charity.
Mixed people are some of the most attractive people on the planet dumbshit.
BxMilitia wrote:yea, drink a 40 n then smack u upside the head with that shit... lol
ROTFL!! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

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Unread post by WINO » July 28th, 2006, 10:38 pm

A Ghost wrote:
WINO wrote:
Dr. Gonzo wrote:I know a fag from Avenues who married a black chick. Weird, huh?
And i feel sorry for the ape-like half breed child who will be rejected by all of respectable society.....the only hope for the freakish child would be if he were born retarded.....then he/she/it could live the black dream of living on charity.
Mixed people are some of the most attractive people on the planet dumbshit.
BxMilitia wrote:yea, drink a 40 n then smack u upside the head with that shit... lol
ROTFL!! :lol::lol::lol::lol:
Mixed half mud people are only attractive for a few months.....while they are "white" babies. Ahter that they are just another genetic fuckup.

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Unread post by A Ghost » July 28th, 2006, 10:45 pm

WINO wrote:
A Ghost wrote:
WINO wrote:
Dr. Gonzo wrote:I know a fag from Avenues who married a black chick. Weird, huh?
And i feel sorry for the ape-like half breed child who will be rejected by all of respectable society.....the only hope for the freakish child would be if he were born retarded.....then he/she/it could live the black dream of living on charity.
Mixed people are some of the most attractive people on the planet dumbshit.
BxMilitia wrote:yea, drink a 40 n then smack u upside the head with that shit... lol
ROTFL!! :lol::lol::lol::lol:
Mixed half mud people are only attractive for a few months.....while they are "white" babies. Ahter that they are just another genetic fuckup.
You have GOT to be kidding me, first of all it took you 15 minutes to write 2 sentences and you're telling me that mixed people are ugly!?!?!?

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Unread post by Christina Marie » July 28th, 2006, 10:48 pm

WINO wrote:
A Ghost wrote:
WINO wrote:
Dr. Gonzo wrote:I know a fag from Avenues who married a black chick. Weird, huh?
And i feel sorry for the ape-like half breed child who will be rejected by all of respectable society.....the only hope for the freakish child would be if he were born retarded.....then he/she/it could live the black dream of living on charity.
Mixed people are some of the most attractive people on the planet dumbshit.
BxMilitia wrote:yea, drink a 40 n then smack u upside the head with that shit... lol
ROTFL!! :lol::lol::lol::lol:
Mixed half mud people are only attractive for a few months.....while they are "white" babies. Ahter that they are just another genetic fuckup.
I know you dont even realize how completely shallow and superficial you are. You judge people on their SKIN COLOR, not what type of human being they are inside. You are not even capable of abstract thinking. You have no spirit and no soul. Now who is the genetic fuck up?

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Unread post by BxMilitia » July 28th, 2006, 10:51 pm

if u don think alicia keys is sexi, WINO is a supremicest faggit, or better said " a peter puffer"

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