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Unread post by Cay » August 28th, 2003, 1:01 am

I was choppin' it up with my boy stay out close to riverside, he was tellin' me how bad the race war was getting...from what I could catch its spreadin' quic, he say its like that over there and my homie from venice say its thicc tension that way too.... they both said it won't matter who's down or who's not, more of an on sight, pull first type war!!

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Unread post by Stone » August 28th, 2003, 4:53 am

I went to Fontana High for my 9th grade 1992 year thinking i`d be safe from the gang warfare in LA. There was many brothas from the hood like me. We got a rude awaking when we those essays starting trippin hard on us. There were bloods and crips from the LA area and LAS Vegas going to school out there. Those mexicans were killing us at will so we put that gang s**t aside and had to smash on them taco`s. They were ruthlessly killin blacks at random, young, old, and even women. A lot of drama goes down between mexicans and blacks but most people aren`t aware of it unless they`re around it.

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Unread post by E`S`T » August 29th, 2003, 7:32 am

you know calling the Raza taco's is what gets pendejos like you killed...you need to watch what you say homie...yea blacks and Mexicans fight with each other but that don't give you no right in dissin the Raza...email me and we'll talk

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Unread post by bgcasper » August 29th, 2003, 8:59 am

I HAVE TO agree with you samdoobie ,and its easy task behind a computor , seems like my brother stone have a problem with light skin people lol , i just also wanna remind you what happened in hawain garden and in ramona ,inocent black familys got their home bombed , or got their relatives killed just cause they was black , i don't see nothing equivalent comin' from the black side , seems mexican emes so call leaders are behind all that racist bullshith ,i'm not surprized since the leader of la eme was a white boy well known as peg leg ,he finaly died few years ago from a cancer ,but he was the reason nazi and arian bitchs were doin' bussiness with la eme ... i just think mexican who are not activelly against nazi are just a gang of ignorant bustaz who don't know shith about their raza and their cultura ,nazi are the enemies of everything that is not blond with blue eyes, for a nazi mexicans are just lazy monkeys that eat a lots of beans and should be exterminated .peace carnal

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Unread post by wcrockets » August 29th, 2003, 10:00 am

Yes out that way there is tension. I've seen it. Fontana used to be a blue collar white steel town, next to the tracks, with Mexicans coming in second in terms of population. I've seen plenty of HA riding around there (more in the 80's than today of course).

I remember once cruising down the street there to see how a bro was doing and two Mexicans in a car starting to talk trash out the window driving real slow next to me but when they saw a brother turn the corner four blocks up they forget all about me and raced up to confront him. So yes, the tension is real.

And sure you think what you think given your affiliations, experiences, and beliefs. People are going to understand that.

But you aren't them. They think the opposite and don't expect or care if you or anyone else not in their thing "gets it." No offense but that is the truth.

What I hear from the fellas turned round is that there is a lot of history between whites and Mexicans in the joint that goes way way back. The power they have enjoyed together is far greater than if they were at war with each other. Add to that the many intermarriages amongst white and Mexicans and you start to see this bond isn't going to break. Not down South anyways. That's just the way it is and you guys know it.

And dissing people here is just stupid. I won't be a part of it.

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Unread post by E`S`T » August 29th, 2003, 10:23 am

My stepdad actually knew Joe Morgan(Peg Leg). He was one of the founding members of the eme, but not the leader....also yea Hispanics do have a history of fighting with blacks on the street and in the pen...speaking from personal expirence I can tell you first hand that alot of it has to do with the way people act...when a Carnal goes to the joint he is expected to follow the rules, be quiet, and learn the outs and ins...but some of the Carnales feel that blacks don't have rules..so to speak....i've seen alot of Bloods and Crips come in and be like cus this, cus that, blood this, blood that, and making a scene not respecting the joint..case and point, a Carnal isn't allowed to spit at any time, only on the yard and away from his carnales...but it seems that brothers just spit where ever there at...when ur in the joint that is considered your home and you have to respect that home...SOME brothers seem not to care..SAME as SOME Hispanics, but the Hispanics get dealt with. so yea they see differently and with the built up tension things get real ugly...secondlly, like I said before they deal primarily with the whites mainly for the drugs and secondly cause the whites don't like the blacks...the northern hispanics though do get along with the bros...and vice versa..they fight the Southern Raza and the whites...its a funked up scenario but i'll admit unfortunately our RAZA is on the racist side..peace ya'll

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Unread post by moonstomp » August 29th, 2003, 1:40 pm

Word has it that there are a LOT of WP/NS (white power/national socialist) organizations that have ties with Latinos and Latino gangs. I think some pretty high-ups in both the Klan and the World Church are married to Mexican or Puerto Rican brauds. The issues are a) WP gangs are now in it more than they used to be for drugs and money b) they may not be white, but Hispanics still aren't black or jewish. Now that the WP/NS movement is over, and most white people don't know what 88, 14 or RAHOWA even mean, they gotta find allies somewhere. From the Latino gang side of it, would you rather be tied in with a WP gang or just be seen by them as "more spics and beaners." Even if the ties are only political and economic, not ideological, they're pretty damn important for both sides.

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Unread post by E`S`T » August 29th, 2003, 2:31 pm

moon stomp you got it all mixed up..first off Hispanics are NOT allied with any gangs in prison..they are cool with some whites cause they share the same enemies..Nuestra Familia, Black Gorilla Family, second where have you heard of wp/ns married to a Hispanic? I haven't..And don't get me wrong, there has been times when Surenos and whites have gotten into it. I think for everybody's best interest, you better get along with the Hispanics cause there are over 35 million in the U.S right now. We are the fastest growing group on the planet..with some many Latinos coming in you have alot of good ppls and alot of bad ppls..There are power in numbers and I think that ppl are smart to be cool with the ese's...unfortunatelly alot of Hispanics are getting busted and joining the Mafia in the pen. 2 thinga are gonna happen, you gonna roll with them or get rolled...holla

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Unread post by wcrockets » August 29th, 2003, 4:04 pm

I hear you samdoobie and you are bringing truth. But you aren't hearing us when we say that Mexicans are marrying white girls and some W/P guys are marrying Mexican girls. Not just some of them NLR either. But you aren't going to see much of that in the pen locked down of course. Holla back if you think we're wrong. We'll listen to you. Peace.

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Unread post by Staxman » August 29th, 2003, 4:32 pm

@bgCASPER: first iam from germany, so i know what iam talking about!!
do you really think that "nazi are the enemies of everything that is not blond with blue eyes"
look at hitler!
he was not tall
no white hair
no blue eyes
so you think hitler was no nazi!
otherwise some americans say german people were or are racists. but then i've to ask you what are you doing? killing mexicans and coloured people cuz of their skin or their home country is not much better! or do you think diffrent!
i have a question: how is the situation today are there still deads and shottings every day?
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Unread post by Cay » August 29th, 2003, 4:43 pm

Staxman wrote:@bgCASPER: first iam from germany, so i know what iam talking about!!
do you really think that "nazi are the enemies of everything that is not blond with blue eyes"
look at hitler!
he was not tall
no white hair
no blue eyes
so you think hitler was no nazi!
otherwise some americans say german people were or are racists. but then i've to ask you what are you doing? killing mexicans and coloured people because of their skin or their home country is not much better! or do you think diffrent!
i have a question: how is the situation today are there still deads and shottings every day?
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aryans do hate people of color, homosexuals, handicaps, etc. since you are talking about the original nazi's...plus that was way back in 1942-45!! this is not germany either, this is Los Angeles... the aryans out here are just as crooked as the police....

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Unread post by Staxman » August 29th, 2003, 4:58 pm

i know everything you said is right. but what caspar wrote was worng and i only want to make it clear!!!
i hate these nazis because of them we have a bad reputation in other countrys and i am really sorry for the things germany did in WW2 and now you have these problem with these half way crooks!
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Unread post by Stone » August 29th, 2003, 5:34 pm

samdoobie wrote:moon stomp you got it all mixed up..first off Hispanics are NOT allied with any gangs in prison..they are cool with some whites cause they share the same enemies..Nuestra Familia, Black Gorilla Family, second where have you heard of wp/ns married to a Hispanic? I haven't..And don't get me wrong, there has been times when Surenos and whites have gotten into it. I think for everybody's best interest, you better get along with the Hispanics cause there are over 35 million in the U.S right now. We are the fastest growing group on the planet..with some many Latinos coming in you have alot of good ppls and alot of bad ppls..There are power in numbers and I think that ppl are smart to be cool with the ese's...unfortunatelly alot of Hispanics are getting busted and joining the Mafia in the pen. 2 thinga are gonna happen, you gonna roll with them or get rolled...holla
I used to think we we're brothas(mexicans/blacks). At one time had several mexican homies but they turned on us after 92 riots. I'm sure mexicans and blacks had clashed before the roits but I was yound and unaware. I don't think every mexican hates blacks but I do know that they will trip if they out-number us. They were deeper than us in Fontana, east side LA, and many other hoods in Cali. Speak to blacks in these hoods and I bet they'll tell you about some foul racial shit they did. Mexicans have killed more of my homies than crips or anyone else. Dam I can't count how many of my innocent friends and their family members who were killed by mexicans just because they were black. So hell yeah I have a problem with mexcians in south Cali and I won't think twice when it comes down to dissin or smashin them. I see them as the 2000 KKK. I deal with brothas from all over the country and they all tell the same stories about how mexicans trip when they have the numbers on their side. I don't know you SAMDOOGIE so I can't say that I have beef with you. I'm letting it be known that I'll defend myself and the peeps I care about. I doesn't matter who or what you are.

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Unread post by G bka C.rum » August 29th, 2003, 5:55 pm

Damn I didnt know the funk was that deep in Cali between Blacks and S.A's. In Minneapolis most Sureno's and Latin Kings are coo with the black gangs but if their is beef it's gang-related 9 out of 10 times not about race. Now the Native Mob up north from the reservations which are Indians are kindve racist but they still tolerate blacks but most SA's and Indians are coo with brothas because the all have been oppressed by whites so they recognize we're all like brothas with a common enemy outside of the gangsh@# this crooked system that keeps us all hatin each other being controlled by you know who.

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Unread post by E`S`T » August 29th, 2003, 6:23 pm

I think everyone writing in this post is right..I'll be the first to admitt that MY BELOVED RAZA has some race issues, but I think it goes both ways...there have been numerous occassions when bros. have tripped on us..I used to go to school on Alameda and ElSegundo in Compton...right off Willowbrook there was this Mickey D's..one day i was in there and this..lol..Blue ElCamino..maybe casper can help....iroc rims, loud, Niggas was Crippin....got out didn't say anything, straight bombed rushed me..no reason, cause I was Mexican..i got a good ass whoopin...so yea I've seen both sides of fence...hopefully in the future stuff can get better...i don't know about in the pen but hopefully on the calles....holla back

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Unread post by bgcasper » August 29th, 2003, 6:36 pm

first to the german guy , my name is not caspar since you like pecise things start with my name and spell it correctly , second i know that they are not killing everything that is not blond it was a way of speaking , but they think, and its written on their book , that the superior race is the aryan and the aryan type is blond with blue eye ... samdoobie ,peg leg was not the leader ? i don't agree i think he was one of the leaders , and do you ever heard about the 1993 “Mexican Mafia” Edict (regarding Mexican gangs joining together to take over neighborhoods from black gangs, and control the drug trade)mostly in compton watts and south central and in carson

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Unread post by moonstomp » August 29th, 2003, 6:51 pm

Samdoobie,
I didn't mean formal alliances, however i KNOW for a FACT that many WP/NS groups have told their members not to go after members of certain latino gangs, because they are their "allies" (formal or informal) in the RAHOWA. Also, yes, I KNOW, for a fact, that many WP leaders are married to Mexican girls. And also, I KNOW, again, for a FACT, that two of the leaders of the WP movement in the U.S. were a big black guy with a swazi on his forehead and a little black woman. So yes, stranger things have happened than WP dudes marrying mexicans. These are all things that I KNOW have happened, so I suggest you don't argue about it. I've read things that people have put on here about gangs that I find hard to believe. I let them go, though, because they would know better than I. When it comes to WP/NS groups, or white punk/skin groups in general, I have some very close friends who are quite in the know, so I'm not pulling stuff out of my ass. The fact is, while not formal, at least around Chicago, many WP and Latino groups get along in jail quite well compared to either group and the black gangs. Mutual advantage goes a long way.

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Unread post by E`S`T » August 29th, 2003, 8:18 pm

well moonstomp you know your sh-- so i can't agrue but i do find it hard to believe that one of the white power leaders is a black guy? anyways BGCASPER..the only thing i can rember around that time was the eme was trying to negotiate a peace with all the Hispanic varrios...but during that time there was no bangin..but harbor city kept dumping on us and then blaming the crips...but in 93 i was more interested in trying to be hard and not really knowing much of the what was really going on..

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Unread post by bonqutta » September 1st, 2003, 4:30 pm

i dont know why we killing each other cuz god did not make us to kill each other he wanted us to love each other not to kill each other ok so dis black & brown bull shet is hella dumb :cry:


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Unread post by wcrockets » September 1st, 2003, 7:17 pm

Allright then let me slide some love to everyone and talk about the joy of a positive track. I just got back from a great labor day barbecue put on by Victory. Every race and most major gangs were represented and guess what?

We all got along like true brothers. Whether they was from Compton, South Central, Eastside, Westside, Norwalk, Carson, Watts, Southgate, oh the list goes on it was awesome. Everyone getting along Black, Brown, and White.

Freestyle rappers from all over trading the mic to give us our entertainment, handball games, basketball with some real pro refs in attendance to keep it cool, etc..

God kept it together and everyone had a wonderful day. No drama and no tripping. That's what I'm talking about. I thank God for days like this. And that is real. Which is why I say P E A C E! :).

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Unread post by Young Nile » September 1st, 2003, 10:05 pm

First off I am not prejeduce or do I have any real dislikes for Mexicans. I did 7 years in the joint and the racial tensions and alliances that you speak on are true. However when it comes to the Blacks the pen is the pen. When you get out thats just it.
But for mexicans it seems that the pen runs them from the streets. So alot of that racial BS that be going on is motivated by to cats in the Eme sending word from the streets.

And to samdoobie I here you when you say that about Blacks in the joint are not respectable and dont follow the code of the joint. I was in there and what you say is absalutley right. But dont you know that there is alot of tension in the pen amongs Blacks for this reason. The older heads like the BGF and the MauMau's are always going at it with the young Crips and Bloods behind this. But theres just too many youngsters They'll team up and smash on the Black political figures in there. So dont go talking like all the Blacks are like that in there. Because when I was in there I was schooled by some old heads I stayed quite I was down for my hood but downer for my race. I followed the code of the joint and was ready to put in work for my race on anyone rather they be external or enternal enemy. So we were trying to get it under control but its not easy.

Also you cant always try and justify you getting jumped by some brothas a good reason for the RAZA to be killing innocent Blacks like women and Children you cant say that you aint heard of it happening because it be all on the news. Yeah the Blacks be puttin in work on the mexicans but nothing scannless like targeting a whole house of mexicans and blowing it up. What kinda humane S*** is that?
Alot of my homies is mexicans and through all the stuff I went through in the joint I still aint prejudice but for some reason Mexicans have a real problem with Blacks and I dont know what it is.

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Unread post by bgcasper » September 2nd, 2003, 9:37 am

WORD !!!!! young nile , thanx for this exelent post ....it inspire me nothing but respect ...

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Unread post by jb7777 » September 2nd, 2003, 9:57 am

Im from New Orleans but I be in L.A. alot. As crazy as it seems I think that mexicans have been getting some kind of support from the government to take over our black hoods in L.A. Have yall heard of the weed and seed program. Better brown than black?

Plus anytime anybody mentions gangs: What's the first thing come to mind (blood or cuz).
Mexican and El salvadorean gang bangers gotta hate that sh*t. They want their names to ring louder causing jealousy.
but I could be wrong.....

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Unread post by Y.G. » September 3rd, 2003, 4:10 am

I GOT SOME MEXICAN HOMIES AND I EVEN HAD SOME MEXICAN GIRLFRIENDS, BUT I STILL FEEL UNEASY BEIN AROUND THE ESE'S BECAUSE THEY CAN BE SNAKES WELL AT LEAST THE SURENOS. I MET A COUPLE NORTENOS AND THEY WERE cool THEY PROBABLY WOULD OF GAVE ME THERE SHIRT OFF THE BACK IF NEEDED. IT SAD TO SEE US BEEFIN LIKE THIS BECAUSE YOU REALLY DONT HEAR ABOUT THE BLACKS AND LATINOS BEEFIN LIKE THIS ON THE EASTCOAST, I HAD A COUSIN GO TO NEW YORK AND HE SAID HE WAS SURPRISED ON HOW GOOD THE PUERTO RICANS AND BLACKS GOT A LONG. TOO BAD ITS NOT LIKE THAT ON THE WESTCOAST THOUGH.

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Unread post by willihen » September 4th, 2003, 8:33 pm

It makes sense to me hispanics and whites get along. Both have ancestry or blood lines that run back together to Europe. So there is some common ground. It makes sense that they would feel more connected to each other.

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Unread post by willihen » September 4th, 2003, 8:38 pm

but If the Aryans were true believers in that Nazi stuff they would not associate with anyone.
But in prison I'm sure they have to have allies

my friend's dad is in folsom.
He told me that asians get along with the blacks but not whites

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Unread post by bgcasper » September 5th, 2003, 7:37 am

i don't think real mexican are europeen some have spanish roots but we should not forget that they are native american also wich mean that theiy have astec or mayan descent , and i know that native ar far from being europeen so chicanos are a mix of native wich acording to many historian are asian and south europeen from spain a country that was under arabic control for more than 500 years and a lot of spanish have that arabic type so they are far if not have nothing in comon with aryan people ... so i don't see why they are allied with those white supremasist groups who are nothing but the decsendant of their ancestors murderer .

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Unread post by moonstomp » September 5th, 2003, 8:34 am

First off, a lot of hispanics have a lot of European blood. Also, in terms of the neo-nazi, NS types, Franco, a SPANISH ruler, was one of Hitler's closest political allies. So the whole Spanish/German conflict just doesn't exist.

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Unread post by bgcasper » September 5th, 2003, 8:56 am

spanish are the one who came and killed and destroyed and enslaved real mexicans and believe me they are not stupid they know their history , franco never claim the aryans race supremacie anyway ...
the eme leaders are claimin la raza asteca they claim califatlan they are proud of their aztec blood line they are not pro franco lolololol so their race and beliefs are oposite to white supremasist groups we should ride with mexicans on those skinheads cause if hitler had win the war we and chicanos would be in the same concentration camp ....lololol franco lololol mexicans never gave a fuck about franco lololol their leaders are zapatistos and aztec warriors or even pancho villa they are not europeen they are true americans its their land that were stolen by europeen killing raping and enslaving their ancestors , believe me mexican people have suffered from white people just like niggaz they ain't europeen they are mexican ....

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Unread post by willihen » September 5th, 2003, 8:59 am

This is true. Good points
Yes Spain was occupied up until the 1400s by Moors, who were of Arabic descent. But the Spain was also occupied by Visigoths, Goths, Vandals who were Germanic peoples from central Europe.
Today you find many blue eyed and blonde Spaniards. I know because I lived there for 3 months.
They inturn mixed with the natives of the new world creating the mestizos.
But you know all that.
So yes, there is a connection. Strong-no, but none the less a connection.
It is just a theory.
As far as Aryans. Staxxman is right, the search for a blue-eyed blonde peoples is a common misconception. Hitler wanted a so called "pure" Germanic peoples who had no foreign blood, e.g. Jewish, gypsey, etc.
The goal was a pure German race, which is impossible. He felt the original German people descended from a super-human race called Aryans- from the Iranian plateau. They later migrated to Germany and central Europe. "Aryan" means noble people.
But we all know there is no such thing as a pure race. We are all related to each other in one way or another. We all originated from one people in East Africa.
I am a white male but I have cherokee in me and I know I am related to blacks. Just as I know that only about 30% of the African Americans are solely of African Descent. Most blacks have white or Indian in them.
I'm rambling. blah blah

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Re: race war: blacks vs mexicans

Unread post by moonstomp » September 5th, 2003, 12:27 pm

Casper, I was just trying to point out the flaws in your arguments using bloodlines. I would also like to point out that most WP gangs in America are not NS, or the KKK. Not all white power kids/white supremacists are nazis, or follow Hitler. So the idea that Hitler would have killed the Mexicans is irrelevant. While most WP skins don't like Mexicans, they're more concerned about blacks, making it (strategically, even if not 100% ideologically) logical for them to team up with Mexicans until the blacks have been "taken care of."

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Re: race war: blacks vs mexicans

Unread post by vt » September 5th, 2003, 1:28 pm

WELL I'M ASIAN/PACIFIC ISLANDER, WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY THE WP GROUPS,GANGS WOULD HATE ME AS WELL, IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE WP/GANGS GROUPS, IS BECUASE THEY DON'T LIKE MINORITY'S OF ANY KIND? I'M JUST CURIOUS, ALSO IF MOST WP GANG EXIST DON'T FOLLOW HITLER WHY IS THERE WHITE POWER GANGS IN THE BEGININNING? WHO WOULD THEY FOLLOW, OTHER THAN HITLER OR THE KLAN?

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