The Mongols Motorcycle Club

The motorcycle and car club scene in Southern Cal is growing and has globalized in recent years. They are not gangs, but many former gang members have got into them.
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Unread postby DC » March 27th, 2007, 7:02 pm

^^^ Hahaha, wtf are you talkin about, 81's are the originals not to mention the biggest club in the world, get the fu*k out of here with your bullshiit.

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Unread postby necromancer » April 24th, 2007, 10:31 am

DC wrote:^^^ Hahaha, wtf are you talkin about, 81's are the originals not to mention the biggest club in the world, get the fu*k out of here with your bullshiit.



Hells angels are not the originals. the original outlaw motorcycle gang was the galloping goose. and just because your the club with the biggest numbers doesnt mean that your the club with the most brotherhood and unity

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Unread postby necromancer » April 24th, 2007, 10:47 am

BendyThumbs wrote:Yeah i don't really know much about them, but they seem to be your old school no nonsense bikers that don't take it from anyone. Much like the traditional bikers.

They are the only gang i can think of who have won a war with the Hells.



the Bandidos have also won against the angels

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Unread postby Old Shatterhand » May 27th, 2007, 2:47 pm

HA is sort of like Cola and everyone else is the uncola in the words of Chuck Zito, ex PR ching-a-ling and now ex HA. And he's pretty much right imo. It's sort of HA against everyone else. The Pagans versus the HA, the Bandidos versus the HA, the Mongols versus the HA; starting to see a pattern here?

Fate has been good to Doc prez of the Mongols. Though he was videotaped running away from the Casino fight (being the national Master-of-Arms that day means it was his responsibility to deal with it) while his National Prez was being stabbed in the back and put into intensive care while trying to pull an HA off a Mongol, he was somehow able to broker his way out and up to become the new national prez. I suppose it should be said in all fairness, that he claims he was being shot at and had to duck for cover (a natural human reaction to being shot at).

Anyways after the ATF agent came out with his book, it drew a lot of attention to the Mongols. I know this is hard to believe but Doc is actually negotiating with Mel Gibson for the real Mongols (not actors) to appear in a new upcoming movie based on the book (I would think the ATF agent who wrote the book the movie is based on is a consultant on the movie). Yes it is a strange world when you can have the undercover ATF agent who gained fame by infilterating and busting the Mongols and the Mongols themselves working on the same movie.

As for the other topic in here, I suppose time has changed the Mongols as it changes most everyone and everything else. All of the original founders have passed along with the old ways, style, and relationships forged on the inside. Today you have (ex?)streetgang members walking around in Mongol colors some of whom don't even own a motorcycle and appear to be retaining their gang loyalties as well as taking on a new Mongal loyalty. Seems like when their numbers became large enough they began to be viewed as just another Sureno gang and when that happened certain people began to wonder why shouldn't they pay taxes?

I'm not a biker. This is just how it looks. I wonder, like most everyone, how it will end.

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Unread postby DC » May 27th, 2007, 5:01 pm

All 1%er clubs have based there ideals on the Hells Angels, they started the whole MC culture and they continue to
be the biggest and most organzed MC worldwide.

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Unread postby Trickeration Station » June 26th, 2007, 6:01 pm

U CAN READ ABOUT THAT ATF AGENT IN THE MONGOLS IN THE BOOK "UNDER AND ALONE".
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Unread postby Lonewolf » June 26th, 2007, 7:29 pm

Where the hell you been Trickster, you were busted or what?

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Unread postby necromancer » July 5th, 2007, 12:01 pm

DC wrote:All 1%er clubs have based there ideals on the Hells Angels, they started the whole MC culture and they continue to
be the biggest and most organzed MC worldwide.


Just because you have the largest numbers doesnt mean your the most organized

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Unread postby steve84 » July 7th, 2007, 2:15 am

bikers accept almost anyone there may be racist biker mc such as the one the fbi busted 'the ku klux klan mc" in toronto black members can not become a "full patched member"
my brothers old neighbor was a black bicker. I know he was with a particular club cant remember. but the area i live in is east county san diego primarily the area of hells angels and the peckerwood mc's there is also one called the four horsemen. not only do the mongols accept mexicans they have a chapter in tj.

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Unread postby KING KONG » August 5th, 2007, 9:28 am

NEVER HEARD BOUT THESE MONGOL DUDES I ONLY KNOW HELLS ANGELS AND BANDIDOS!

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Unread postby DC » August 8th, 2007, 6:32 pm

Mongols are a huge LA based 1%er club with chapters all over Cali and the US, they are the dominant club in LA
along with the Vagos and the Hells Angels are in the SFV.

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Unread postby MonstaMob81 » November 29th, 2007, 7:35 am

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DC wrote:Deffinately larger then any barrio and more organized, look at the Mongols website under Calif and you get an idea of how big this gang is.


I never met anyone on Southern California that is the least bit afriad of a biker. You seem to be a biker fan, thinking how much more organized they are. To tell you the truth HA and Mongols ain't much around here, especially the HA. If you wont take my word for it here is an article.

MONGOLS VS. EME: DAVID MAY GET HIS ASS KICKED BY GOLIATH
A large number of LA readers have emailed asking if I saw CHRIS BLATCHFORD'S two-part story on the battle between the Mongols and the Eme on FOX 11 NEWS. Yes I did. A number of these emailers asked me what I thought about the story. I'm pleased that the inthehat audience is as interested in the subject and as eager to learn as I am. While I consider myself more of an ardent student than an expert, I'm rather humbled to be asked my opinion on this situation.

First off, Blatchford did a very good job. I'm also amazed that FOX 11 gave him him enough air time to tell the story as thoroughly as he did. While I don't know Blatchford, from his past coverage of criminal organizations and crime issues, I get the sense he's extremely dialed in and has terrific sources. He seems to have more than an academic interest in the subject.

For out of town readers, here's the outline. The Mongols is a motorcycle gang based in SOCAL with chapters all over the country. They're the Un-Cola, a slightly different flavor for people who don't like the taste of the original -- Hell's Angels. As the world witnessed in LAUGHLIN, NEVADA two years ago, the Angels and Mongols get along about as well as the Palestinians and the Israelis. The Laughlin battle put three soldiers in the cemetery and a bunch more in the hospital.

While the Angels have predominantly been a white group, the Mongols have an open enrollment policy that offers membership to Hispanics. According to the FOX 11 piece, (and it seems to line up pretty well with what I found out) the Mongols have been heavily recruiting among SOCAL neighborhoods. Essentially, a lot of the new members are SURENOS with their cultural roots deep in the neighborhoods. Rather than seeing themselves as traditional outlaw bikers and iron horse iconoclasts, these new members could be better described as Leather Homies. In fact, as the FOX 11 story reported, some of these new members don't own bikes and don't even know how to ride.

When they put on the leathers, they didn't necessarily divest themselves of certain "allegiances" and cultural modalities. They took the Sureno culture with them. So they basically fly both flags -- the screaming skull and the black hand. There's a saying about a house divided against itself.

What probably happened, and this is speculation, is that once there was a critical mass of Sureno membership within the Mongol organization, the brothers perceived the entire organization as merely another set in the larger Sureno universe. And as Surenos, the natural order of things is that they should get in line with the rest and begin to pay tribute.

Apparently, it hasn't worked out that way. The Mongols have officially refused to pay taxes. In response, the Eme issued one of its famous greenlights on the Mongols.

Bodies have fallen on both sides and it looks like a low intensity shooting war has broken out.

The truth is, the Mongols didn't pick this fight. It looks like the fight came to them. Just as it came to MS, Maravilla and other tax-resister gangs.

If this was a horse race, the smart money would be on the Brothers. In terms of sheer numbers, organization, intelligence gathering and horsepower in prison, the Brothers are in complete control. Any Sureno with a strap and some heart is now free to pop a Mongol anywhere, anytime and be assured of earning a stripe. SOCAL Mongol membership right now is reported to be around 200. When you consider that a single Sureno neighborhood like Avenues can muster 800 men at arms, 600 for El Sereno, and equally large numbers in neighborhoods like Florencia, CVTF, VNE, RSP, San Fer, Pacas -- well, you get the idea. Think of a sledgehammer hitting a flea.

This is not to imply that Mongols don't have heart and aren't willing to get grimy. But the numbers facing the Mongols are just staggering.

Will discretion be the better part of valor? We'll see.


Of course there are many many places in south Cali, where bikers won't mean anything. In the middle of crazy niggas or hispanics which cannot even read a letter - 15 year old kid will shoot your back like you're a dirty dog lost on the street and then he'll eat. (This was just example).

In fact - HA got more respect than Mongols. Mongols fucked up when they recruited mofos from the street who couldn't even ride a bike. That's what made them something different than a Motorcycle Club. Then they started to be in a bad light from a view of La EME - why wouldn't theese cock suckers have to pay taxes, when they fucked up like this. And that was really stupid move - no doubt. Angels wait 3 or 4 years to become a members, sometimes less - depends on each other. They all ride like pros and together makin a huge family. All of them brotheers got each otheers backs to the death. When you start recruitin like them Mongol pricks - you just decreasin it's power. That's the main difference between mongols and HAs - HAs carry on traddition for 60 years and wouldn't never recruit like that - they're pros. Mathematics ain't everything. And I think all of them got respect to them crazy hoods - especially in So Cali - who wouldn't have ? Even fuckin George Bush flyin around in Apache would have ! :)

And regarding the Laughlin - I got the tapes from internal video cameras - where you can see the whole thing. Crazy shit - and I saw the Mongols were runnin while Angels were holdin theirr perimeter. No way - it's not possible to say, that Angels lost that battle - non sense. Despite there were less Angels, they weren't runnin like a bunch of kids. I saw angels coverin and defendin 70 years old members. It worked like 4 Marine platoons in action :)

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Unread postby MMRbkaRudog » November 29th, 2007, 9:57 pm

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mnjmc wrote:
DC wrote:Deffinately larger then any barrio and more organized, look at the Mongols website under Calif and you get an idea of how big this gang is.


I never met anyone on Southern California that is the least bit afriad of a biker. You seem to be a biker fan, thinking how much more organized they are. To tell you the truth HA and Mongols ain't much around here, especially the HA. If you wont take my word for it here is an article.

MONGOLS VS. EME: DAVID MAY GET HIS ASS KICKED BY GOLIATH
A large number of LA readers have emailed asking if I saw CHRIS BLATCHFORD'S two-part story on the battle between the Mongols and the Eme on FOX 11 NEWS. Yes I did. A number of these emailers asked me what I thought about the story. I'm pleased that the inthehat audience is as interested in the subject and as eager to learn as I am. While I consider myself more of an ardent student than an expert, I'm rather humbled to be asked my opinion on this situation.

First off, Blatchford did a very good job. I'm also amazed that FOX 11 gave him him enough air time to tell the story as thoroughly as he did. While I don't know Blatchford, from his past coverage of criminal organizations and crime issues, I get the sense he's extremely dialed in and has terrific sources. He seems to have more than an academic interest in the subject.

For out of town readers, here's the outline. The Mongols is a motorcycle gang based in SOCAL with chapters all over the country. They're the Un-Cola, a slightly different flavor for people who don't like the taste of the original -- Hell's Angels. As the world witnessed in LAUGHLIN, NEVADA two years ago, the Angels and Mongols get along about as well as the Palestinians and the Israelis. The Laughlin battle put three soldiers in the cemetery and a bunch more in the hospital.

While the Angels have predominantly been a white group, the Mongols have an open enrollment policy that offers membership to Hispanics. According to the FOX 11 piece, (and it seems to line up pretty well with what I found out) the Mongols have been heavily recruiting among SOCAL neighborhoods. Essentially, a lot of the new members are SURENOS with their cultural roots deep in the neighborhoods. Rather than seeing themselves as traditional outlaw bikers and iron horse iconoclasts, these new members could be better described as Leather Homies. In fact, as the FOX 11 story reported, some of these new members don't own bikes and don't even know how to ride.

When they put on the leathers, they didn't necessarily divest themselves of certain "allegiances" and cultural modalities. They took the Sureno culture with them. So they basically fly both flags -- the screaming skull and the black hand. There's a saying about a house divided against itself.

What probably happened, and this is speculation, is that once there was a critical mass of Sureno membership within the Mongol organization, the brothers perceived the entire organization as merely another set in the larger Sureno universe. And as Surenos, the natural order of things is that they should get in line with the rest and begin to pay tribute.

Apparently, it hasn't worked out that way. The Mongols have officially refused to pay taxes. In response, the Eme issued one of its famous greenlights on the Mongols.

Bodies have fallen on both sides and it looks like a low intensity shooting war has broken out.

The truth is, the Mongols didn't pick this fight. It looks like the fight came to them. Just as it came to MS, Maravilla and other tax-resister gangs.

If this was a horse race, the smart money would be on the Brothers. In terms of sheer numbers, organization, intelligence gathering and horsepower in prison, the Brothers are in complete control. Any Sureno with a strap and some heart is now free to pop a Mongol anywhere, anytime and be assured of earning a stripe. SOCAL Mongol membership right now is reported to be around 200. When you consider that a single Sureno neighborhood like Avenues can muster 800 men at arms, 600 for El Sereno, and equally large numbers in neighborhoods like Florencia, CVTF, VNE, RSP, San Fer, Pacas -- well, you get the idea. Think of a sledgehammer hitting a flea.

This is not to imply that Mongols don't have heart and aren't willing to get grimy. But the numbers facing the Mongols are just staggering.

Will discretion be the better part of valor? We'll see.


Of course there are many many places in south Cali, where bikers won't mean anything. In the middle of crazy niggas or hispanics which cannot even read a letter - 15 year old kid will shoot your back like you're a dirty dog lost on the street and then he'll eat. (This was just example).

In fact - HA got more respect than Mongols. Mongols #%@& up when they recruited mofos from the street who couldn't even ride a bike. That's what made them something different than a Motorcycle Club. Then they started to be in a bad light from a view of La EME - why wouldn't theese cock suckers have to pay taxes, when they #%@& up like this. And that was really stupid move - no doubt. Angels wait 3 or 4 years to become a members, sometimes less - depends on each other. They all ride like pros and together makin a huge family. All of them brotheers got each otheers backs to the death. When you start recruitin like them Mongol pricks - you just decreasin it's power. That's the main difference between mongols and HAs - HAs carry on traddition for 60 years and wouldn't never recruit like that - they're pros. Mathematics ain't everything. And I think all of them got respect to them crazy hoods - especially in So Cali - who wouldn't have ? Even fuckin George Bush flyin around in Apache would have ! :)

And regarding the Laughlin - I got the tapes from internal video cameras - where you can see the whole thing. Crazy shit - and I saw the Mongols were runnin while Angels were holdin theirr perimeter. No way - it's not possible to say, that Angels lost that battle - non sense. Despite there were less Angels, they weren't runnin like a bunch of kids. I saw angels coverin and defendin 70 years old members. It worked like 4 Marine platoons in action :)
I've seen Mongols gain some power with their way of recruiting & I just saw the new gangland, which was about HA's. Matter of fact they showed videos from a fight between HA's & Mongols. The HA's lost 2 men in that fight & the Mongols lost 1.

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Unread postby rocstar » November 29th, 2007, 11:30 pm

Everybody on that tape was running around. And the HA's lost one on the road after they got away from the casino too.

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Unread postby jbnl163 » December 4th, 2007, 12:07 pm

Dr. Gonzo wrote:Yeah that ATF is a #%@&#%@ rat. He had the nerve to snort crystal participate in brawls and parties with his with brothers and then he has the nerve to stab them in the back.

This rat would even hangout with mongols on his off days because he "loved" them that much.


In his book, he said he faked snorting meth. If a federal agent has to do drugs to save his life, he is required to report it at the 1st opportunity. He then has to receive medical attention.

He did have strong feelings about his Mongol brothers, but was very disappointed in how they treated their kids and Ol Ladies.

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Unread postby SamHayne » April 5th, 2008, 10:27 am

Yeah that book had a show made after it. There was also a Show abut some agents infiltrating the 81. All I can say is the cops seem to be much bigger a-holes then the people they are after. After the crap all the agents did trying to get their info, they deserve to have their throats slit.

Alot of you are forgetting about the Outlaws. I mean they did the 3rd largest bomb in trying to get rid of some of the HA in American history. Only the 1st UTC attack & the Oklahoma City bomobings were bigger.

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Unread postby Silencioso » April 5th, 2008, 12:01 pm

DC wrote:All 1%er clubs have based there ideals on the Hells Angels, they started the whole MC culture and they continue to
be the biggest and most organzed MC worldwide.


I don't think they started the whole 1%er culture, they're just the most influential club. I've always heard the Booze Fighters were the first major MC. They were the main club at the Hollister Riot.

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[quote="DC"]All 1%er clubs have based there ideals on the Hells Angels, they started the whole MC culture and they continue to
be the biggest and most organzed MC worldwide.[/quote]

* Pagans were started before HA. 8)

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Hammerr22 wrote:
DC wrote:All 1%er clubs have based there ideals on the Hells Angels, they started the whole MC culture and they continue to
be the biggest and most organzed MC worldwide.


* Pagans were started before HA. 8)


Welllll....actually, the Pagans were started quite a bit after the H.A.'s (1959 vs. 1948). There will always be debate-and it's never ending-but basically, a number of veteran groups emerged more or less at the same time in post war America. Ironically, the Pagans were started by a guy with a Doctorate working for the Federal government. Like most clubs, they migrated to less reputable interests after initially organizing as a pure motorcycle enthusiast club. I believe the Pagans were a Triumph owner's group.
As regards the various club standings, I would say it depends solely on your geographical area, connections-or local group riding by-etc...The H.A.'s have by far and away, the most regimented,organized and best funded group. Between their P.R.,legal staffs and club integrity, I'd give them the nod for being number one.This of course is only a viewpoint. All clubs basically are tribal and family. Odd thing is, if they would put down the ball peen hammers for a second and realize that all major clubs united would be an unstoppable force it would all work out.In that we're talking international territories here, it's not like there ain't enough room.An international super group in open defiance of all enforcement. More money than anyone ever envisioned lost on the alter of ego. The Cosa Nostra finally realized the advantage, met,agreed,split up jurisdiction and made more money than ever before. T.E. Lawrence (...of Arabia) fused all the warring tribes together after centuries of intertribal warfare and they currently own the world last I looked at gas prices...The feds usually lose court battles with 81 and were the "Big 5" to unite, would basically need the budget for Iraq to go after them.
It would be interesting to watch.....

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Unread postby 19DAGO04 » March 26th, 2010, 9:53 pm

DC wrote:^^^ Hahaha, wtf are you talkin about, 81's are the originals not to mention the biggest club in the world, get the fu*k out of here with your bullshiit.



Outlaws MC were around before HA. So were Boozefighters MC and Sharks MC and 13 Rebles MC.

HA as original -1%- is up for debate too maybe. Outlaws MC were around since the 1930's HA since late 40's.

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Unread postby 19DAGO04 » March 26th, 2010, 9:56 pm

Hands down-

Boozefighters MC laid down the pavement for ALL MC's of today. Including HAMC.

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Unread postby 19DAGO04 » March 26th, 2010, 10:00 pm

RuthlessCray wrote:nobody said Hells Angels but the Hells Angels aint around their where the Mongols are. I know the Mongols have spots in the SGV. and i do know theirs HAs in San Bernardino, they have a building right there in SB. they started here in Fontana... once in a while ill see them passing by.



HAMC and Mongols MC have plenty of charters within the same cities/states. Both have charters in LA (MMC multiple, HAMC two), Dago, Berdoo, Oakland, RiverCo, CO, AZ......

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agarcia8882000 wrote:isn' t the mongols the first motorcycle gang to hace mexican members in it?


Naw...

Chosen Few MC (if not HAMC). CFMC had a Mexicanos that rode with them in the 1960's.
Wasn't Vagos MC was started up by Chicanos and whites. Were they up before MMC?

HAMC have always allowed Chicanos in. It's a myth that they never did. Media/LE always say MMC was formed since HAMCLA denied membership to some Chicanos. Don't know how true that is-since HAMC have always had non-whites representing (at least in the CA charters). The old HAMCDago page had a memorial to a Mexicano member named Chato who died in the 1960's or 1970's. There are even Chicanos currently in CA and AZ charters. Asians in the Frisco, Oak, Cleve charters. They even got raza reppin a Chilean Charter. And some of those fools look straight Indio-not Spanish/European.

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Unread postby 19DAGO04 » March 26th, 2010, 10:32 pm

DC wrote:Anyone know if the HA are in Los Angeles at all, I know they are in Ventura but haven't heard of them being in LA. Things could get ugly with both the HA and Mongols riding around LA.

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HAMC been in LA since the late 1960's. BEFORE MMC came up. I know the Dago chapter is been up since 1966.

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Unread postby 19DAGO04 » March 26th, 2010, 10:36 pm

2 LA charters=

-HAMC LACO- and -HAMC SFV-

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Unread postby jeff » March 30th, 2010, 11:18 pm

HAMC L.A. County? Is that new? I had only heard of the SFV chapter.

That's perplexing the SD HA's would have non-white members, I remember before their website was taken down there were members posing with swastika and white-power tattoos.

It's highly unlikely there's a Mongols chapter in Oakland. San Jose, yeah, Oakland? I seriously doubt it. Members may live there, I don't see them establishing a chapter there. When I was watching 'Gangland' they mentioned some incidents where Mongols made some encroachments into San Francisco HA territory.

I'm pretty sure Outlaws recognize HA's as the first 1%er's and would admit they were influenced by them.

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Unread postby 19DAGO04 » March 31st, 2010, 5:42 pm

jeff wrote:HAMC L.A. County? Is that new? I had only heard of the SFV chapter.

That's perplexing the SD HA's would have non-white members, I remember before their website was taken down there were members posing with swastika and white-power tattoos.

It's highly unlikely there's a Mongols chapter in Oakland. San Jose, yeah, Oakland? I seriously doubt it. Members may live there, I don't see them establishing a chapter there. When I was watching 'Gangland' they mentioned some incidents where Mongols made some encroachments into San Francisco HA territory.

I'm pretty sure Outlaws recognize HA's as the first 1%er's and would admit they were influenced by them.


HAMCLACO is older than the -DAGO- charter..at least I think it is. The DAGO charter goes back to 1966. I think the Cali timeline for HA charteers go: Berdoo (Mother)-Frisco-Oakland-LA-DAGO. Non-whites perplexing...no. All that swastika/WP stuff isn't necessarily race motivated. Chalk it up to prison ink/politics, white pride, and shock value. One of the MMC top sergent-at-arms was all inked out with swastikas and -WP- tattoos. It all boils down to loyalty for the club and your brothers. Some 1% clubs do not allow non-whites. Most that allow Chicanos, Asians, Natives do not allow African Americans. The ones that I know of that do accept non-whites are HAMC, MMC, Outlaws, Henchmen, Vagos, Ching-A-Lings. But there are some charters within the clubs that prefer to keep their charters all white. That might have been the case with the LA charter when the whole MMC thing popped off.

I do think you are right about Outlaws MC recognizing HA as the OG 1%. Outlaws MC didn't were the 1% until the mid/late 1960's. But, there were plenty of "outlaw" clubs before the Angels became established. All 1%'ers are "outlaw" clubs, but not all "outlaw" clubs are 1%'ers.

Mongols do have an Oakland Charter. Doc's son was the P of VP. Maybe it disbanded, but you can find photos of Mongols on the net with Oakland side rockers. BTW-gangland always seems to be way off on a lot of info.

For example, the Mongols and Angels weren't always enemies, and they partied together at one point:

After MMC got kickstarted they beefed with HAMC (the whole bottom rocker issue). A truce was called, and the HA let MMC where the bottm CALIFORNIA rocker, as long as they did not start a Berdoo charter. Well the Mongols, Angels, and Vagos actually partied for together for a while (literally), until the Mongols decided to start up a Berdoo charter (because everyone wants to do what their told not too). Then another MMC/HAMC war broke out. Things settled doen, truces were made, and the HAMC let the Berdoo issue go, as long as MMC stayed out of NorCal (specifically the Bay Area). Well, MMC decided to start charters in the Bay Area (including Oak). Then the next war broke out. I think Harrah's was one of the results of this war.

Don't beleive me about all those enemigas partying? Then peep this:Image

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Re: The Mongols Motorcycle Club

Unread postby Cold Bear » April 1st, 2010, 7:27 am

19DAGO04 wrote:The ones that I know of that do accept non-whites are.....Ching-A-Lings.


Not only do Ching-A-Ling Nomads accept non-whites

They were started by non-whites

They came through our regular bar Manny's up in the BX about 15 deep it was 90% Puerto Rock, maybe a few Black dudes, all rocking the colors with swastikas LOL

And I think the swastikas have more to do with the 'Gestapo' style and imagery a lot of NY gangs were doing back then (speaking of which I'm gonna post a Black Spades reunion video right now)

I saw they started some chapters down south with all whites which is kinda ass backward but whatever

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Re: The Mongols Motorcycle Club

Unread postby jeff » April 8th, 2010, 8:58 pm

Some good issues raised here. The prison politics and shock value does have a lot to do with it, I've heard a lot of those guys in prison gangs/securty threat groups don't even have extreme racial views, and will deal with other races. I think the Outlaws MC have in their rules that it's a white only club. Other than them, HA's, and of course Mongols, and Vagos have lots of non-whites. The HA president in San Francisco had a hispanic surname, the one that was shot and killed allegedly over an issue with the Mongols. I think your quote "All 1%ers are outlaws but not all outlaws are 1%ers". Very true. And another thing about the racial issue, I don't think I know of any asian,native, or african-american 1%er clubs, but there may be some that could be considered outlaw clubs. What do you think? Chicanos are the only non-white clubs I can think of that went with the 1%er identity. I actually didn't know Mongols set up a berdoo chapter also, plus Oakland, they're really bold! The truces seem fleeting, I've even seen pictures of HA's and Outlaws MC together. More recently in person I've seen Outlaws MC and Vagos MC interact, so I assume they are on good terms with each other. Some would say it's really HA's against the world, and it kind of seems that way. And you mentioned the State bottom rocker issue, I came across a club called Iron Crew MC and they had State bottom rockers I would surprised by this but when I googled them I saw that they are a law enforcement-inclusive club.

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Re: The Mongols Motorcycle Club

Unread postby jeff » April 8th, 2010, 9:03 pm

I do think the swastika thing is to present a specific imagery. I wasnt aware that Ching-a-lings expanded, i've seen some postings online from members online from the south but nothing beyond that.

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Re: The Mongols Motorcycle Club

Unread postby jeff » April 8th, 2010, 9:09 pm

jeff wrote:I came across a club called Iron Crew MC and they had State bottom rockers I would surprised by this but when I googled them I saw that they are a law enforcement-inclusive club.


sorry it's Iron Order MC

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Re: The Mongols Motorcycle Club

Unread postby MMRbkaRudog » April 8th, 2010, 9:22 pm

jeff wrote:Some good issues raised here. The prison politics and shock value does have a lot to do with it, I've heard a lot of those guys in prison gangs/securty threat groups don't even have extreme racial views, and will deal with other races. I think the Outlaws MC have in their rules that it's a white only club. Other than them, HA's, and of course Mongols, and Vagos have lots of non-whites. The HA president in San Francisco had a hispanic surname, the one that was shot and killed allegedly over an issue with the Mongols. I think your quote "All 1%ers are outlaws but not all outlaws are 1%ers". Very true. And another thing about the racial issue, I don't think I know of any asian,native, or african-american 1%er clubs, but there may be some that could be considered outlaw clubs. What do you think? Chicanos are the only non-white clubs I can think of that went with the 1%er identity. I actually didn't know Mongols set up a berdoo chapter also, plus Oakland, they're really bold! The truces seem fleeting, I've even seen pictures of HA's and Outlaws MC together. More recently in person I've seen Outlaws MC and Vagos MC interact, so I assume they are on good terms with each other. Some would say it's really HA's against the world, and it kind of seems that way. And you mentioned the State bottom rocker issue, I came across a club called Iron Crew MC and they had State bottom rockers I would surprised by this but when I googled them I saw that they are a law enforcement-inclusive club.
Are you saying HA's is also mixed? Everybody I've seen from HA's looks White.


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