TheEastSide wrote: So okay, I have the memory of a fruitfly. Does that say its among immigrants? Or does it say they were attributed to gangs of immigrants? And this source is not as official and reliable as BBC who quoted government officials.
Read your own source. It says the gangs of immigrants were fighting for control of prostitution and drug trafficking. But now you appear to be calling your own source into question because it doesn't say what you claimed it did. Talk about publicaly embarrassing yourself.
Right. You know everything. Do you realize how dumb your sounding right now? SOME are working with the Italian mafia. Your such a moron. The government said they were all linked to the local mafia working alongside the Albanian mafia. The killings were attributed to gangs of immigrants [Albanians]. Get your facts straight.
First, when you call someone a moron, at least say it the right way. It's you're
such a moron. Not "your" a moron.
Yes, the killings were committed mostly or solely by foreign groups, particularly Albanians. At least some of these groups were working with the Italian Mafia. But the question remains - who exactly was killed? The other source you provided seems to say that the foreigners were killing each other over the prostitution and drug rackets. But you immediately started claiming that the Albanians were slaughtering and stacking up the bodies of Italians. That's what I mean about you reading into it what you want. So another question is, why would the Italian Mafia be using Albanians or other foreigners to fight itself. And hypothetically speaking, even if it was a case of rival Italian clans, it shows that they were working with Albanian groups in the area, not be pushed out by them.
I actually hope you do find more articles about this because I believe the more that is revealed about this will show that the 'Ndrangheta was never "pushed out" of the prostution rackets by the Albanians. Rather, as I have said over and over again, it is simply a case of the 'Ndrangheta allowing the Albanians to run the prostitution rackets directly as they have allowed other groups to do so in the past. I come to this conclusion from over 15 years of studying organized crime in Italy and knowing how things work there. Not basing my wishful thinking on the face value of the comment of one official. Like I said before, if you want to go by the comment of one official, there is also the official that said the Italians have made a pact with the Albanians and other groups or would wipe them out. As far as I'm concerned, they cancle each other out. But I still have all of my research to fall back on in making my judgement. All you have is desperate Google searches to selectively seek out whatever supports your preconceived notions.
Why do the Albanians have to be allied to the Italians? They dont have to be. The Albanian mafia operates even in the south of Italy.
Because IT IS ITALY
you idiot. How many times do I have to say this. Any criminal operations in Italy of significant size have to be allied with the Italian syndicates in some form, whether it be a partnership or independent operations paying for the right to operate. It's always been this way and no group is exempt from this, including the Albanians.
You make it seem impossible that the Albanian mafia could kill members of the Italian mafia which they did. They pushed Ndrangheta out of prostitution. They didnt NEED to be allied when they did that did they? Nope..
There you go again. What Italian Mafia members were killed by the Albanians? When did this happen? Your own sources seem to be saying something much different - that the killings were between foreign groups, and some of these foreign groups were actually working with the Italians. Keep saying "they pushed the 'Ndrangheta out of prostition" all you want. As I said before, your whole case rests on the face value of a single comment from one official. Just as your whole case about the Albanians pushing aside the Italians in American is based on comments from officials that stemmed from the Rudaj organization. You're very good at quoting officials when it suits your purposes but when one looks at all of the available evidence, including the details around the quotes and sources you provide, you are usually shown to be wrong or at the very least purposely overstating things simply to hype the Albanians. This has happened again and again and again.
Ten years ago, few people knew anything about Albania. Today, its gangsters have become so notorious for violence they give even Italian mobsters pause.
In the north, the Albanians have taken the prostitution racket away from the country's toughest Mafia branch, the 'Ndrangheta. In the south, they control the drugs, guns, prostitution and human smuggling across the Adriatic and have forced an alliance with the local Mafia group.
"Both the Mafia and Albanians are violent but at least the Mafia has some rules," went on the man, who was shot by local mafiosi in a dispute two years ago. "The Albanians don't care about life at all, they'll kill you without reason."
"We have only one document from the DIA [Italy's anti-Mafia agency] about the Albanian mafia," said Michele Emiliano, the Mafia prosecutor who first uncovered and prosecuted the Sacra Corona Unita.
"Pushing the 'Ndrangheta out of the prostitution in the north of Italy was probably a mistake, but the Albanians are very violent and they were just starting out -- they had not learned any 'diplomacy,' " he explained. "Now the two groups don't want to fight with each other, they just want to make money."
You have posted these statements many times before. Some of them are not even directly material to the subject at hand. Others can be called into question. Case in point, the statement that says the Albanians have "taken the prostitution racket away from the 'Ndrangheta in the north." Debatable to say the least. But even more so, that statement goes on to say the Albanians "control drugs, guns, prostitution, and human smuggling operations" in the south
! This is what I mean by overstating things. Whatever presence Albanians have in northern Italy, it is absolutely impossible for them to have "control" over these operations in the south of the country where the Italian syndicates are most entrenched. The truth is, for anyone who knows what they are talking about (not you), the Albanians are partners with the Italian syndicates (particularly the SCU) in these smuggling operations. Putting false modesty aside, because I have 15 years of research under my belt, I can usually read a statement, article, or report and see if something doesn't sound right or is questionable. It also helps to not have an agenda. You have neither of these things. 15 years ago you were shitting in your diaper. And you certainly do have an agenda which does not allow you to look at things objectively. Only through the prism of your own wishful thinking.