Albanian mafia in NY

American organized crime groups included traditional groups such as La Cosa Nostra & the Italian Mafia to modern groups such as Black Mafia Family. Discuss the most organized criminal groups in the United States including gangs in Canada.
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Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby Richboy17 » June 10th, 2008, 6:21 pm

This might be a very hard question for people on this board to answer. But to all them Albanians on this site I have a question for yall. I know in the BX most Albos aint even rich not all but they on the same class as Hispanics and Blacks. But in Westchester County from what I herd made Albanians are fuckin rich as fuck. They got like million dollar homes and shit. I was talking to one guy who was an Albanian and happened to have a rich father. I asked him what his father did and he said construction, real estate, and furniture moving. And the funny thing is all the Albanians so far that i met that were rich all had the same kind of occupation, involved in real estate, and construction. I was wondering are these dudes involved in some mafia shit because all these rich albanians all do the same thing and are crazy as fuck even though they are old timers.

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Unread postby Azure9920 » June 11th, 2008, 1:12 pm

I'm surprised Johnny hasn't jumped on this yet.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby thewestside » June 11th, 2008, 3:04 pm

The Albanian mob is similar in both New York and other parts of the country where it operates. The Albanians are organized in relatively small, clannish-like groups that revolve around one or a few central leaders. The Rudaj gang that operated in New York from the mid-1990's to the mid-2000's is a good example. The Albanians started out as enforcers for the Italian mob and some eventually evolved to lead their own organizations. Albanians are involved in a number of criminal activities, including illegal gambling, money laundering, drug trafficking, human smuggling, extortion, witness intimidation, ATM robberies, home invasion burglaries, and murder. In some cases, they have expanded into more sophisticated crimes such as real estate fraud. Before it was brought down in a federal indictment, the Rudaj gang was able to amass about $5 million worth of legitimate property from it's criminal proceeds. Like other groups in past eras, as Albanians become more situated in the country, it is only natural that they will find more success, whether in legitimate areas or in crime.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby JohnnyRed » June 13th, 2008, 8:39 am

Richboy17 wrote:This might be a very hard question for people on this board to answer. But to all them Albanians on this site I have a question for yall. I know in the BX most Albos aint even rich not all but they on the same class as Hispanics and Blacks. But in Westchester County from what I herd made Albanians are fuckin rich as fu--. They got like million dollar homes and shit. I was talking to one guy who was an Albanian and happened to have a rich father. I asked him what his father did and he said construction, real estate, and furniture moving. And the funny thing is all the Albanians so far that i met that were rich all had the same kind of occupation, involved in real estate, and construction. I was wondering are these dudes involved in some mafia shit because all these rich albanians all do the same thing and are crazy as fu-- even though they are old timers.



thats because the bronx is the first stop for many albanians who come to NY directly from albania. unless they have family living in other parts of NY like astoria or manhatten or brooklyn they will probably end up in the bronx. the albanians in westchester are usually criminals who graduated from the bronx. my cousins best friend has like a 10,000,000 dollar house and i asked his father one what he does and he gave me the same answer as you got richboy17, im in construction. i can tell you from personal relationships i have with many albanians in westchester. most of them dont even know how construction works. and dont start shit with an albanian who owns a pizza shop im serious. looool.

and the old timers are the craziest albanians in the US. the newer generation are usually less crazy and less wise but more intelligent. westchester is the same thing as astoria for albanians. most of them in both areas are criminals.


i dont know if that answered your question but yes most of them are criminals if you want to know. im not saying that because i have ''sick ethnic pride'' according to westside but most of them are. how else would people like old-communist generation of albanians with violent tempers have million dollar houses if they only immigrated here in 1997.

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Unread postby JohnnyRed » June 13th, 2008, 8:44 am

thewestside wrote:The Albanian mob is similar in both New York and other parts of the country where it operates. The Albanians are organized in relatively small, clannish-like groups that revolve around one or a few central leaders. The Rudaj gang that operated in New York from the mid-1990's to the mid-2000's is a good example. The Albanians started out as enforcers for the Italian mob and some eventually evolved to lead their own organizations. Albanians are involved in a number of criminal activities, including illegal gambling, money laundering, drug trafficking, human smuggling, extortion, witness intimidation, ATM robberies, home invasion burglaries, and murder. In some cases, they have expanded into more sophisticated crimes such as real estate fraud. Before it was brought down in a federal indictment, the Rudaj gang was able to amass about $5 million worth of legitimate property from it's criminal proceeds. Like other groups in past eras, as Albanians become more situated in the country, it is only natural that they will find more success, whether in legitimate areas or in crime.


no the rudaj gang is not a good example. no albanian in the US operates the way he did. your right about one thing the albanians do operate in clannish groups. i would call them small. maybe small in comparison to a sausage crime family. but the usual number of an albanian criminal clan in america is 20-30. but thereare many criminal clans and i mean many all through out those dozen or so cities the FBI identified them in.

again rudaj is not a good example of an albanian criminal. most albanian criminals are involved in drugs and theft. he was involved in neither. only gambling and gambling like activities. and he has outsiders in his organisation. albanian criminal groups will not allow outsiders like that in to their organisations like rudaj did. they will keep them as mere associates but nothing more.

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Unread postby Richboy17 » June 13th, 2008, 5:59 pm

JohnnyRed wrote:
Richboy17 wrote:This might be a very hard question for people on this board to answer. But to all them Albanians on this site I have a question for yall. I know in the BX most Albos aint even rich not all but they on the same class as Hispanics and Blacks. But in Westchester County from what I herd made Albanians are fuckin rich as fu--. They got like million dollar homes and shit. I was talking to one guy who was an Albanian and happened to have a rich father. I asked him what his father did and he said construction, real estate, and furniture moving. And the funny thing is all the Albanians so far that i met that were rich all had the same kind of occupation, involved in real estate, and construction. I was wondering are these dudes involved in some mafia shit because all these rich albanians all do the same thing and are crazy as fu-- even though they are old timers.



thats because the bronx is the first stop for many albanians who come to NY directly from albania. unless they have family living in other parts of NY like astoria or manhatten or brooklyn they will probably end up in the bronx. the albanians in westchester are usually criminals who graduated from the bronx. my cousins best friend has like a 10,000,000 dollar house and i asked his father one what he does and he gave me the same answer as you got richboy17, im in construction. i can tell you from personal relationships i have with many albanians in westchester. most of them dont even know how construction works. and dont start shit with an albanian who owns a pizza shop im serious. looool.

and the old timers are the craziest albanians in the US. the newer generation are usually less crazy and less wise but more intelligent. westchester is the same thing as astoria for albanians. most of them in both areas are criminals.


i dont know if that answered your question but yes most of them are criminals if you want to know. im not saying that because i have ''sick ethnic pride'' according to westside but most of them are. how else would people like old-communist generation of albanians with violent tempers have million dollar houses if they only immigrated here in 1997.


i knew that these rich albanians in westchester are involved in some mob shit. Are these Albanians like involved with La Cosa Nostra or the Rudjai gang?

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Unread postby thewestside » June 13th, 2008, 7:12 pm

JohnnyRed wrote:no the rudaj gang is not a good example. no albanian in the US operates the way he did. your right about one thing the albanians do operate in clannish groups. i would call them small. maybe small in comparison to a sausage crime family. but the usual number of an albanian criminal clan in america is 20-30. but thereare many criminal clans and i mean many all through out those dozen or so cities the FBI identified them in.

again rudaj is not a good example of an albanian criminal. most albanian criminals are involved in drugs and theft. he was involved in neither. only gambling and gambling like activities. and he has outsiders in his organisation. albanian criminal groups will not allow outsiders like that in to their organisations like rudaj did. they will keep them as mere associates but nothing more.


The Rudaj gang was typical of the average Albanian crime group in that it had a couple dozen members and was involved in street level crimes. Many Albanian groups are involved in illegal gambling like the Rudaj gang was. But they are also involved in the other activities I listed above, which come straight from the FBI's description of Albanian organized crime.

The underlying point of all this is that the Albanians are still relatively small in numbers, they are not as entrenched as the Italians, Russians, or other crime groups, and their criminal operations are not as diverse or as sophisticated. Hence, the Albanians are not as powerful as the Italians or Russians, whether in New York or any other part of the U.S. Make sense?

Richboy17 wrote:i knew that these rich albanians in westchester are involved in some mob shit. Are these Albanians like involved with La Cosa Nostra or the Rudjai gang?


The Albanians have been associated with the LCN for years, working as enforcers for the Italians. Below is an article on one of the most famous Albanians who has worked for the LCN - Zef Mustafa. He made a lot more money working for the Italians than Alex Rudaj did fighting against them.

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Unread postby thewestside » June 13th, 2008, 7:12 pm

The Mob's Multimillion-Dollar Batter
The feds say this Albanian tough guy swings for John Gotti's old team
by Tom Robbins
February 15th, 2005


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On one level, he's a classic American success story: Brought to the U.S. in 1962 as an infant by Albanian parents fleeing Communism, he is two years old when his mother dies, 11 when his father drops dead. Dispatched to an orphanage, he runs away, dropping out of school in the sixth grade. A street urchin, he prowls the Bronx's Arthur Avenue until a generous local family takes him in. Thanks to them, he learns a trade, creating programs in the communications industry. The business prospers. His declared income in the year 2000? $5.9 million. Taxes paid to Uncle Sam? $2.1 million.
Meet immigrant millionaire Zef Mustafa: good businessman, good family man, and a good man with a baseball bat, according to the wags in the Gambino crime family.

That's the other side of the Zef Mustafa story. His alleged prowess with a bat was supposed to be part of the evidence presented against Mustafa and five co-defendants by federal prosecutors in Brooklyn pressing a massive telephone and Internet pornography indictment. Prosecutors claimed that Mustafa made his millions because of his menacing hulk and deadly reputation, not his programming expertise. He was such a regular at John Gotti's old hangout, the Ravenite Social Club on Mulberry Street, that the FBI spotted Mustafa there 115 times over a three-year span in the late 1980s, prosecutors asserted. All told, the high-tech operation allegedly made more than $700 million for Gotti's crime family, cheating thousands of unwary people around the globe, according to the charges.

Defense lawyers, the best of New York's criminal bar among them, scoffed at those claims and spent two years in court trying to limit the introduction of organized-crime evidence. What the feds really had, the lawyers insisted, was just an old-fashioned case of consumer fraud disguised with a thin veneer of Mafia allegations.

But they also weren't so sure how the jury would react once it took a good long look at the likes of Zef Mustafa. The jury was expected to hear from mob cooperators who would tell how Mustafa was "known for breaking heads," as one Gambino informant told the FBI. "There was talk among the guys in Queens that Mustafa was good with a baseball bat," the ex-wiseguy claimed. The feds also intended to tell the tale of the kidnapping and torture of a British publishing executive by unknown men after he ran afoul of the porn schemers (Voice, "Porn Stars," February 9-15).

Defense lawyers blasted Mustafa's "bat man" moniker as the "vague product of multiple levels of hearsay" and underscored the fact that he has never been convicted of a violent crime. His closest call was a 1986 case in which Mustafa was charged with beating a Bronx man to death with a Louisville Slugger. A key witness was a woman of ill repute who didn't hold up well on the stand, and Mustafa walked away a free man. But the reputation clung. "All violence, no brains. A truly bad kid," summed up one Arthur Avenue regular who watched Mustafa's career evolve.

Said one attorney who has worked on cases involving Mustafa: "Even the other wiseguys are scared of him."

Others disagreed. "He is one of the nicer clients I have represented over the years," said David Greenfield, his lawyer in the bat case. "He was always a gentleman to me."

Part of what works against Mustafa—or for him, depending on the situation—is the Albanian thing. Albanians began arriving in New York in large numbers in the 1960s, settling in the Bronx's Belmont section, then a mostly Italian neighborhood. Like any other ethnic group, there was a bad bunch among them, and those men quickly developed a reputation for especially nasty brutality and an unwillingness to back down from an argument.

"I hate these fuckin' Albanians," a captain in the Genovese crime family was captured saying on tape a few years ago. "If you have a beef with them you have to kill them right away. There's no talking to them."

Last fall, the Manhattan U.S. Attorney charged 24 ethnic Albanians with rack-eteering in a case that showed the new group elbowing the Italian mob aside. To settle one dispute with a top Gambino figure, the leader of the Albanian crew allegedly pointed a gun at a nearby gas pump and threatened to blow everyone to kingdom come.

That rep was part of what Mustafa and his co-defendants in the big porn case were up against, and the decision was finally made not to take any chances. On Valentine's Day, Mustafa and the others pled guilty before Judge Carol Bagley Amon, agreeing to jail terms ranging from two to 10 years, and to forfeit assets collectively worth $26 million.

Mustafa, 43, admitted to money laundering—accepting money he knew to be illegally gained. He has agreed to serve up to five years in prison and to cough up $1.7 million. His best friend from childhood, Salvatore "Tore" LoCascio, who is an alleged Gambino capo and a partner with Mustafa in a company called Creative Program Communications, also took a money laundering rap. LoCascio, 45, agreed to serve seven years and pay back $4.7 million. Richard Martino, also 45 and another childhood buddy, was depicted by prosecutors as the mastermind of the porn schemes. A reputed Gambino soldier, Martino faces the toughest time, up to 10 years in prison, and $15 million in forfeiture, including $6 million to settle criminal charges stemming from his takeover of a rural Missouri telephone company (Voice, "Mob Bell," February 25-March 2, 2004).

Just before the defendants went into court to enter their guilty pleas, they stood in their dark overcoats on the steps of the Plaza Diner in downtown Brooklyn looking dejectedly across Cadman Park toward federal court. Mustafa, his face flushed red, pounded his fist into his hand. "It ain't fucking fair!" he shouted.


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It's not the first time in recent years that Mustafa has been made to feel that way. On March 19, 2000, he was returning from a Caribbean cruise with his family when immigration authorities challenged his right to remain as a permanent resident in the U.S. The reason, officials explained, was his 1993 conviction on charges that he had tried to use a phony birth certificate to obtain a passport. He had pled guilty to the charge, and served a year on probation. His explanation for the fraud was that he needed the passport in order to make a trip to London. He wanted to "open a business out there," he said. Had he consulted an immigration lawyer, Mustafa easily could have obtained the proper travel documents. But that's not how he was raised.

Instead, for $50 he bought a fake blank birth certificate "from some guy downtown in the 40s. They were selling it on the corner," he later testified. He never had his own birth certificate, he said, and he had always believed he was an American citizen. It was only later, he insisted, that he found out that he'd actually been born in a refugee camp in Trieste, Italy.

The whereabouts of his birth was a sore subject, one that always confused the grade school dropout. "You know where you were born, right?" a government lawyer asked him at one point. "How would I know that?" Mustafa snapped back.

To immigration authorities, the con-viction represented a "crime of moral turpitude" worthy of deportation. Several hearings were held on his status while he remained free. But that changed suddenly in December 2002, when 10 federal agents swooped down on his $1.2 million mansion with a glassed-in pool in Pelham Manor, just over the Bronx border in Westchester County. He was bustled off to an immigration detention center in upstate Batavia, where he was held for more than a year.

What had gotten the new Department of Homeland Security so excited, he later learned, was a lurid four-page letter from the FBI detailing his background. Mustafa, FBI supervisor Kevin Donovan wrote in classic bureau understatement, had long been a "person of interest."

Citing informants and witnesses, the FBI sketched out a brutal history: Mustafa, the agency claimed, was a "high level associate" of the Gambino crime family who had long been close to the mob's top echelons because of his ties to Frank LoCascio, father of Tore, and the man who had befriended Mustafa when he was a homeless orphan. Mustafa had been Frank LoCascio's driver, the FBI stated, and had regularly driven him to the Ravenite while Gotti held court. The elder LoCascio, convicted at Gotti's side in 1992, is now serving life in prison.

A mob defector who had known Mustafa since he was a youth said that he always carried a gun and helped shake down the strip club Scores on behalf of Tore LoCascio. Another said Zef, along with his older brother Peter Mustafa, "handled the Albanians in the Bronx for the Gambinos." The informants said Zef Mustafa had allegedly murdered a man named Frank Politti in the early '80s, and then dismembered his body. He'd allegedly killed another man named Gino Masha, as well as the two sons of Anthony Porcelli. Despite his acquittal at trial, the bureau claimed he had in fact killed Joseph Mincione, the man Mustafa had been accused of beating to death with a bat in 1986. Other alleged murders were listed, as well as allegations that he trafficked in heroin and conducted loan-sharking.

One former Gambino mobster related an incident in which Tore LoCascio had responded to a request to have a rival Albanian given a beating. "Zef does all my dirty work," the informant quoted LoCascio as saying.

If all of that wasn't bad enough, the FBI also described Mustafa as a chronic alcoholic who started drinking every morning at 11 at Amici's Restaurant at East 187th Street and Arthur Avenue.

Gangsters rarely allow themselves to be asked about such matters under oath. But because Mustafa wanted to defeat his deportation order, he took the stand and was grilled during a series of immigration hearings. He denied the murders, the gun-packing, and the chronic drinking. One of those he was accused of killing, his attorneys noted, was in fact alive and in state prison. "I heard he passed away," Mustafa said of another alleged victim. The bat case, he said, had been "a bad nightmare."

As for the LoCascios, Mustafa said Frank was "like a father to me," and Tore had been the best man at his wedding and was godfather to his children. But he'd never been Frank LoCascio's driver, he insisted, and he had heard about the mob ties only through the newspapers. He had visited the Ravenite on occasion. He "just took a ride downtown" with the LoCascios to the club. There he played cards, drank coffee, and yes, "shook [Gotti's] hand every time I went down there."

He didn't deny some early run-ins with the law. He had worked in a numbers bank and had taken a couple of gambling collars as a result. There was a 1980 arrest when he was picked up in a gambling then on East 209th Street with 220 policy slips in his pocket, another when he was busted as a blackjack dealer. But he didn't remember several other arrests on his rap sheet. "I don't recall that far back," he said. He forgot a 1979 incident in which he had hit a woman in the head with a glass; he later pled guilty to harassment, paying a $25 fine. A weapons possession of which he was acquitted by "mental defect" also slipped his mind, along with a 1982 assault rap in New Rochelle, case dismissed. "I was picked up a lot of times," he testified, "but I was innocent . . . just for walking the streets in my neighborhood."

But as tough as it was for Mustafa to talk about past crimes, he had a far tougher time talking about his job. Records submitted to the immigration court showed he did astonishingly well, earning more than $20 million between 1990 and 2001. He and his wife had put away $6 million in cash and stocks. What exactly was the nature of his work? the government's lawyer asked him.

It was "900 numbers," Mustafa explained. "I create programs for business. I get a salary and commission," he answered. "I come up with an idea, and if it makes money, I get a commission."

Did he have an example?

"OK, like umm—"

"The nature of the work you do," the judge prodded Mustafa.

"You put up a Santa Claus line, you put up a love line. A gag line, talk lines. Santa Claus, Grandpa Munster."

What was a love line?

"People talk to each other."

Pressed for further details, Mustafa elaborated: "Generally, you call up, and ya talk to, a lonely person calls up and talks to somebody."

Most of the time, he explained, the callers reached taped recordings that he helped create. What did the recordings say?

"It could say a million and one things. 'Hello, how ya feel? Ah, how's everything? How's ah, you're a lonely person, have ya had a date lately?' Goes on and on. What would you talk about on a date? Will you go out with somebody?" Such programs, he said, were given to a "young lady and she reads it out."

It wasn't phone sex, Mustafa said, but he had a hard time explaining just how he knew that. But yes, he had become a millionaire this way. "It happened to be a multi, multimillion-dollar business," he said. "I came up with an idea, the American way," he told the court. "I put it out and I made money."

The riches came without much heavy lifting, he acknowledged. The original business had been started with a small investment, Mustafa said. He initially balked at naming his partners, but later relented, admitting that Tore LoCascio and Tore's uncle Joseph LoCascio were owners. "I put a few dollars into it. . . . Tore chipped in a few dollars, Joe chipped in . . . "

Yet he had no idea how many employees he had, and he gave an address for his firm that was several years out of date. That was because he rarely, if ever, went to the office, he explained. "I could go once a year," he said. "I could go once every three years." He didn't need to. His job only took up about "an hour" a day. Asked how that hour was spent, Mustafa labored to describe the creative process.

"My particular day, I go out, I talk to a lot of different types of people. I try to come up with ideas. I try to figure out what the public likes. And that's my idea." There wasn't anyone he could refer the government to, however, because "they don't know I'm trying to pick their brain."

Despite the Homeland Security Department's intense efforts, including putting an FBI agent on the stand to testify, the hearing judge later shocked the government by ruling in Mustafa's favor, canceling the deportation order. The judge cited Mustafa's more than 40 years as a resident, his American-born wife, five American-born children, as well as the fact that the defendant had paid "very, very substantial taxes." In addition, said immigration judge John Reid, "he is well regarded in at least some segment of the neighborhood." All in all, the judge said, the "scales tip very, very heavily in favor of the respondent's equities."

The agency appealed, but that was denied as well. Mustafa finally became a free man early last year, just in time to be indicted for his role in the business that made him such a substantial taxpayer. Now that he stands convicted, the government is likely to seek his deportation once he's done his time. According to the feds, he can go back to Italy, where he was born. Mustafa's lawyers, however, have insisted there is no place else to send him. On his passport application he listed himself as stateless. A millionaire without a country.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby RONNIE » June 13th, 2008, 7:19 pm

Wow, there are still people who take JohnnyReds ridiculous comments serious?
Im really surprised

...he continues his journey and life mission to defame his own ethnicity, lol

If there was any serious and substantial Albanian OC activity we would have heard about it, but, except for Rudaj, we never did.
(I am of course excluding Johnny's pathetic propaganda articles he continues to repost here)

I am pretty sure those "old timers" have achieved their success legitimately.
Before the war in Kosovo and the huge emigration wave following, nobody talked about Albanians as criminals.They were known, and are still known, as very hard workers.
There was even a detailled article in the New York Times about Albanians in New York.

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Unread postby thewestside » June 13th, 2008, 8:51 pm

RONNIE wrote:Wow, there are still people who take JohnnyReds ridiculous comments serious?
Im really surprised


Nah, nobody here takes him seriously. What's really sad is Johnny is the only one who doesn't realize this. The only person he's convinced about the things he says is himself.

...he continues his journey and life mission to defame his own ethnicity, lol


You noticed that too huh? He may deny it when confronted about it but all one has to do is read his posts to see that he is actually proud of any type of Albanian criminality. That's what I mean by his "sick ethnic pride."

If there was any serious and substantial Albanian OC activity we would have heard about it, but, except for Rudaj, we never did.
(I am of course excluding Johnny's pathetic propaganda articles he continues to repost here)


Exactly. Just about everything regarding Albanian organized crime in the U.S. can be summed up very quickly - relatively small, clannish groups in about a dozen cities mainly involved in street level crimes. And yet Johnny would have everyone believe that Albanians are as powerful as the Italians and Russians in New York and are set to replace the Italians as America's leading crime group. Of course he has never had any evidence for this. This entire fantasy of his rests on a single CNN article, citing an unnamed FBI source, that claimed the Albanians were replacing the Italians. But as I have pointed out to him more times than I can count, the claim in that article stemmed from the activities of the Rudaj gang. And while Johnny himself apparently can't quite decide on what he thinks of the Rudaj gang, the rest of us know the truth. It was a group with a couple dozen members - mostly Albanian, some Italian - that were active for about a decade from the mid-1990's to the mid-2000's. They had about 50 video poker machines scattered across 13 spots in the Bronx, Westchester, and Queens. They temporarilly took over two gambling clubs in Queens - although Johnny says seven - run by Greeks who paid the LCN a tax. And they threatened to blow up a gas pump at a meeting with the Gambinos. Subsequently, virtually the entire gang was indicted and half a dozen of it's top leaders received lengthy prison sentences. That is the extent of it. Now Johnny will readily claim that the Rudaj gang was not representative of the Albanian mob in the U.S. That there are more powerful Albanians involved in much bigger things. Like who? His only answer to that is one Albanian drug trafficker who is said to be currently hiding out in New York or Philadelphia. The truth is, in as far as we know, there aren't really any Albanians in the U.S. that are substantially bigger or more powerful than the Rudaj gang was. Only what what I described up above - which comes straight from the FBI - relatively small, clannish groups in about a dozen U.S. cities involved in mainly street level crimes.

I am pretty sure those "old timers" have achieved their success legitimately.
Before the war in Kosovo and the huge emigration wave following, nobody talked about Albanians as criminals.They were known, and are still known, as very hard workers.
There was even a detailled article in the New York Times about Albanians in New York.


Just like every other ethnic group, Albanian criminals make up a minority of their people. But to read what Johnny says, you'd think every one of them is a crook.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby Richboy17 » June 14th, 2008, 6:54 am

thewestside wrote:
RONNIE wrote:Wow, there are still people who take JohnnyReds ridiculous comments serious?
Im really surprised


Nah, nobody here takes him seriously. What's really sad is Johnny is the only one who doesn't realize this. The only person he's convinced about the things he says is himself.

...he continues his journey and life mission to defame his own ethnicity, lol


You noticed that too huh? He may deny it when confronted about it but all one has to do is read his posts to see that he is actually proud of any type of Albanian criminality. That's what I mean by his "sick ethnic pride."

If there was any serious and substantial Albanian OC activity we would have heard about it, but, except for Rudaj, we never did.
(I am of course excluding Johnny's pathetic propaganda articles he continues to repost here)


Exactly. Just about everything regarding Albanian organized crime in the U.S. can be summed up very quickly - relatively small, clannish groups in about a dozen cities mainly involved in street level crimes. And yet Johnny would have everyone believe that Albanians are as powerful as the Italians and Russians in New York and are set to replace the Italians as America's leading crime group. Of course he has never had any evidence for this. This entire fantasy of his rests on a single CNN article, citing an unnamed FBI source, that claimed the Albanians were replacing the Italians. But as I have pointed out to him more times than I can count, the claim in that article stemmed from the activities of the Rudaj gang. And while Johnny himself apparently can't quite decide on what he thinks of the Rudaj gang, the rest of us know the truth. It was a group with a couple dozen members - mostly Albanian, some Italian - that were active for about a decade from the mid-1990's to the mid-2000's. They had about 50 video poker machines scattered across 13 spots in the Bronx, Westchester, and Queens. They temporarilly took over two gambling clubs in Queens - although Johnny says seven - run by Greeks who paid the LCN a tax. And they threatened to blow up a gas pump at a meeting with the Gambinos. Subsequently, virtually the entire gang was indicted and half a dozen of it's top leaders received lengthy prison sentences. That is the extent of it. Now Johnny will readily claim that the Rudaj gang was not representative of the Albanian mob in the U.S. That there are more powerful Albanians involved in much bigger things. Like who? His only answer to that is one Albanian drug trafficker who is said to be currently hiding out in New York or Philadelphia. The truth is, in as far as we know, there aren't really any Albanians in the U.S. that are substantially bigger or more powerful than the Rudaj gang was. Only what what I described up above - which comes straight from the FBI - relatively small, clannish groups in about a dozen U.S. cities involved in mainly street level crimes.

I am pretty sure those "old timers" have achieved their success legitimately.
Before the war in Kosovo and the huge emigration wave following, nobody talked about Albanians as criminals.They were known, and are still known, as very hard workers.
There was even a detailled article in the New York Times about Albanians in New York.


Just like every other ethnic group, Albanian criminals make up a minority of their people. But to read what Johnny says, you'd think every one of them is a crook.


It could be true. How could every Albanian have the same kind of job having a house thats worth millions. Im not saying all Albanians are crook, but im saying these Albanians in Westchester must have ties to an LCN group like an associate or with Rudjai gang. And these dudes just came back from the Kosvo war shooting machine guns. The only legit Albanians that i can see are the ones that are reltively in the working class. All the rich ones are very violent.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby JohnnyRed » August 18th, 2008, 2:09 pm

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RONNIE wrote:Wow, there are still people who take JohnnyReds ridiculous comments serious?
Im really surprised


Nah, nobody here takes him seriously. What's really sad is Johnny is the only one who doesn't realize this. The only person he's convinced about the things he says is himself.

...he continues his journey and life mission to defame his own ethnicity, lol


You noticed that too huh? He may deny it when confronted about it but all one has to do is read his posts to see that he is actually proud of any type of Albanian criminality. That's what I mean by his "sick ethnic pride."

If there was any serious and substantial Albanian OC activity we would have heard about it, but, except for Rudaj, we never did.
(I am of course excluding Johnny's pathetic propaganda articles he continues to repost here)


Exactly. Just about everything regarding Albanian organized crime in the U.S. can be summed up very quickly - relatively small, clannish groups in about a dozen cities mainly involved in street level crimes. And yet Johnny would have everyone believe that Albanians are as powerful as the Italians and Russians in New York and are set to replace the Italians as America's leading crime group. Of course he has never had any evidence for this. This entire fantasy of his rests on a single CNN article, citing an unnamed FBI source, that claimed the Albanians were replacing the Italians. But as I have pointed out to him more times than I can count, the claim in that article stemmed from the activities of the Rudaj gang. And while Johnny himself apparently can't quite decide on what he thinks of the Rudaj gang, the rest of us know the truth. It was a group with a couple dozen members - mostly Albanian, some Italian - that were active for about a decade from the mid-1990's to the mid-2000's. They had about 50 video poker machines scattered across 13 spots in the Bronx, Westchester, and Queens. They temporarilly took over two gambling clubs in Queens - although Johnny says seven - run by Greeks who paid the LCN a tax. And they threatened to blow up a gas pump at a meeting with the Gambinos. Subsequently, virtually the entire gang was indicted and half a dozen of it's top leaders received lengthy prison sentences. That is the extent of it. Now Johnny will readily claim that the Rudaj gang was not representative of the Albanian mob in the U.S. That there are more powerful Albanians involved in much bigger things. Like who? His only answer to that is one Albanian drug trafficker who is said to be currently hiding out in New York or Philadelphia. The truth is, in as far as we know, there aren't really any Albanians in the U.S. that are substantially bigger or more powerful than the Rudaj gang was. Only what what I described up above - which comes straight from the FBI - relatively small, clannish groups in about a dozen U.S. cities involved in mainly street level crimes.

I am pretty sure those "old timers" have achieved their success legitimately.
Before the war in Kosovo and the huge emigration wave following, nobody talked about Albanians as criminals.They were known, and are still known, as very hard workers.
There was even a detailled article in the New York Times about Albanians in New York.


Just like every other ethnic group, Albanian criminals make up a minority of their people. But to read what Johnny says, you'd think every one of them is a crook.


It could be true. How could every Albanian have the same kind of job having a house thats worth millions. Im not saying all Albanians are crook, but im saying these Albanians in Westchester must have ties to an LCN group like an associate or with Rudjai gang. And these dudes just came back from the Kosvo war shooting machine guns. The only legit Albanians that i can see are the ones that are reltively in the working class. All the rich ones are very violent.




lol, never mind westside richboy17, he downsizes everyone. he even said the italian mafia is more powerful then the russian mafia which minor degree in criminal studies or not, everyone knows the russians are just more powerful.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby JohnnyRed » August 18th, 2008, 2:12 pm

heres some quotes from WESTSIDES ARTICLE NOT MINE:

Law enforcement officials say Asians, Russians and Albanians have established their own crime organizations in the United States. These groups are smaller and more disorganized than their Italian counterparts but pose their own danger.


He continued, "the big challenge for Asian organized crime and Albanian organized crime is having the finances to pay for a load of heroin, to pay for a load of cocaine, and then have the facilitator get it into the country, and then have the means of distribution, which the Italians have had in the past."


Albanian groups "are more like criminal enterprises than organized crime," observes agent Dennis Bolles, who heads the squad investigating them.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/16/fbi.mob/


AGAIN FOR THE IGNORANT MORONS WHO LISTEN TO WESTSIDE BECAUSE HE PUTS PERIOS AND COMMAS IN HIS SENTENCES THIS IS FROM AN ARTICLE THAT HE POSTED.


again westside this is proof that albanians are among the tops groups in new york.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby Azure9920 » August 18th, 2008, 2:16 pm

lol, all that article does is substantiate the already known existence of Albanian organized crime, among other groups, in the United States. It never once says they're on the level of the Italians in New York City, which you've tried to substantiate many times, or even the other groups mentioned as well in that article. I could provide source after source about Chinese O/C in North America over-shadowing the Albanians if you'd like.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby JohnnyRed » August 18th, 2008, 4:49 pm

Azure9920 wrote:lol, all that article does is substantiate the already known existence of Albanian organized crime, among other groups, in the United States. It never once says they're on the level of the Italians in New York City, which you've tried to substantiate many times, or even the other groups mentioned as well in that article. I could provide source after source about Chinese O/C in North America over-shadowing the Albanians if you'd like.



the thing i keep repeating is that albanian organised crime is one of the top even in new york. westside said 100 times that they're are alot of groups in new york before the albanians. he even put the cuban corporation before albanians (not even cubans in general he just said the cuban corporation). this article and news video proves my point that albanians are among the italians and russians as top criminals in new york.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby thewestside » August 18th, 2008, 5:28 pm

JohnnyRed wrote:heres some quotes from WESTSIDES ARTICLE NOT MINE:

Law enforcement officials say Asians, Russians and Albanians have established their own crime organizations in the United States. These groups are smaller and more disorganized than their Italian counterparts but pose their own danger.


He continued, "the big challenge for Asian organized crime and Albanian organized crime is having the finances to pay for a load of heroin, to pay for a load of cocaine, and then have the facilitator get it into the country, and then have the means of distribution, which the Italians have had in the past."


Albanian groups "are more like criminal enterprises than organized crime," observes agent Dennis Bolles, who heads the squad investigating them.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/16/fbi.mob/


AGAIN FOR THE IGNORANT MORONS WHO LISTEN TO WESTSIDE BECAUSE HE PUTS PERIOS AND COMMAS IN HIS SENTENCES THIS IS FROM AN ARTICLE THAT HE POSTED.


again westside this is proof that albanians are among the tops groups in new york.


If people listen to my arguments, it's probably because they are objective and supported by the facts. Not because I use good grammar and punctuation.

It depends on what you mean by "one of the top groups" in New York. If you mean top 10, then I would include the Albanians. But I wouldn't put them in the top 5, which would be the Italians, Russians, Chinese, Colombians/Dominicans, and Cubans.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby Richboy17 » August 18th, 2008, 6:52 pm

JohnnyRed wrote:
Azure9920 wrote:lol, all that article does is substantiate the already known existence of Albanian organized crime, among other groups, in the United States. It never once says they're on the level of the Italians in New York City, which you've tried to substantiate many times, or even the other groups mentioned as well in that article. I could provide source after source about Chinese O/C in North America over-shadowing the Albanians if you'd like.



the thing i keep repeating is that albanian organised crime is one of the top even in new york. westside said 100 times that they're are alot of groups in new york before the albanians. he even put the cuban corporation before albanians (not even cubans in general he just said the cuban corporation). this article and news video proves my point that albanians are among the italians and russians as top criminals in new york.


Albanians are not very big in New York. The niggers are bigger than them even though they arent organised crime, and im talking about hundreds of drug and crack gangs. The Cubans are definitly bigger than the Albanians and if you wanna know they are the biggest hispanic organized crime group in the East Coast, they control most of the spanish numbers bank and gambling. The Chinese, Koreans, and Viets were and are getting bigger. There are so many ethnic criminal groups operating in New York and they all have there own piece of turf. LCN, Russians, and Hispanics are the biggest in NY so far.Then it is the next level of criminal groups like Albanians, blacks, asians, west indian, irish, etc.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby Richboy17 » August 18th, 2008, 7:00 pm

Oh yea wasnt there an albanian that testified against John Gotti

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby Azure9920 » August 19th, 2008, 6:14 pm

thewestside wrote:
If people listen to my arguments, it's probably because they are objective and supported by the facts. Not because I use good grammar and punctuation.

It depends on what you mean by "one of the top groups" in New York. If you mean top 10, then I would include the Albanians. But I wouldn't put them in the top 5, which would be the Italians, Russians, Chinese, Colombians/Dominicans, and Cubans.


By Dominicans you mean distribution rings, not DDP/3ni street gangs, right?

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby thewestside » August 19th, 2008, 6:16 pm

Azure9920 wrote:By Dominicans you mean distribution rings, not DDP/3ni street gangs, right?


Dominican groups are the main wholesale distributors for the Colombians, who still control the smuggling and upperwholesale levels of the drug trade in the Northeast U.S.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby Richboy17 » August 19th, 2008, 7:14 pm

Azure9920 wrote:
thewestside wrote:
If people listen to my arguments, it's probably because they are objective and supported by the facts. Not because I use good grammar and punctuation.

It depends on what you mean by "one of the top groups" in New York. If you mean top 10, then I would include the Albanians. But I wouldn't put them in the top 5, which would be the Italians, Russians, Chinese, Colombians/Dominicans, and Cubans.


By Dominicans you mean distribution rings, not DDP/3ni street gangs, right?


He means the wholesale dudes, the papis.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby JohnnyRed » August 21st, 2008, 3:42 pm

Richboy17 wrote:Oh yea wasnt there an albanian that testified against John Gotti



why dont you tell us that since you brought it up. and okay i see its pointless with people like you guys who have an image in your mind about gangs of new york based on movies that were made 10-20 years ago.

domicans first off everyone knows are on the street, they dont fit under organised crime. all they do is sell drugs for the bigger groups.

in the article it said albanians have the finances to pay for a load of heroin or cocaine and then have the means of bringing it into the country themselves and then have the means of distributing it also. which the italians used to have. they also said this about asians.

they mentioned albanians twice. and chinese and russians once. and both the russians and chinese were mentioned with the albanians if any of you read the article.

why didnt they talk about cubans? or dominicans? or blacks or west indians, irish, jews, or any other criminal group. because the four strongest criminals in new york are albanians, italians, russians and chinese.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby TeeKay » August 22nd, 2008, 2:57 am

As far as albanians are in NY,even blacks would have more of substantial impact in NY than any albanian group.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby Richboy17 » August 22nd, 2008, 7:29 am

JohnnyRed wrote:
Richboy17 wrote:Oh yea wasnt there an albanian that testified against John Gotti



why dont you tell us that since you brought it up. and okay i see its pointless with people like you guys who have an image in your mind about gangs of new york based on movies that were made 10-20 years ago.

domicans first off everyone knows are on the street, they dont fit under organised crime. all they do is sell drugs for the bigger groups.

in the article it said albanians have the finances to pay for a load of heroin or cocaine and then have the means of bringing it into the country themselves and then have the means of distributing it also. which the italians used to have. they also said this about asians.

they mentioned albanians twice. and chinese and russians once. and both the russians and chinese were mentioned with the albanians if any of you read the article.

why didnt they talk about cubans? or dominicans? or blacks or west indians, irish, jews, or any other criminal group. because the four strongest criminals in new york are albanians, italians, russians and chinese.


JohnnyRed i do respect your comments and i know you bring up these articles but the Albanians are not a major group in the US or even NY. Yes there have been Albanian criminal groups operating in NY but they were never huge. Ever since the Rudjai incident happened everybody thought that there was a huge Albanian Mafia in NY even though the Rudjai gang was mostly made up of italians,albanians, and greeks. The Albanians are on the same level as the Greeks, Blacks, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and maybe the Irish. There are many Albanian mobsters around but they work for the Italian Mafia the same way the blacks did in the 60's and 70's. I will believe you if you bring up some info on Albanians controlling construction firms, unions, loansharking, and huge scams not some foreigner shipping huge amounts of herion, because there are many people like that. There are blacks that ship thousands of kilos of cocaine yearly.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby TeeKay » August 22nd, 2008, 8:49 am

And johnny if your still on a crusade to convince everyone the albos are number 1,please provide some accurate sources because the last time,you tried to convince us albania was the most violent country that wasnt in a war when in fact their murder rate has been relatively low lol.

And dont ever post that serbiana article as well.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby thewestside » August 22nd, 2008, 1:11 pm

JohnnyRed wrote:why dont you tell us that since you brought it up. and okay i see its pointless with people like you guys who have an image in your mind about gangs of new york based on movies that were made 10-20 years ago.

domicans first off everyone knows are on the street, they dont fit under organised crime. all they do is sell drugs for the bigger groups.

in the article it said albanians have the finances to pay for a load of heroin or cocaine and then have the means of bringing it into the country themselves and then have the means of distributing it also. which the italians used to have. they also said this about asians.

they mentioned albanians twice. and chinese and russians once. and both the russians and chinese were mentioned with the albanians if any of you read the article.

why didnt they talk about cubans? or dominicans? or blacks or west indians, irish, jews, or any other criminal group. because the four strongest criminals in new york are albanians, italians, russians and chinese.


Go back and read the article. It said -

"The big challenge for Asian organized crime and Albanian organized crime is having the finances to pay for a load of heroin, to pay for a load of cocaine, and then have the facilitator get it into the country, and then have the means of distribution, which the Italians have had in the past."

Leave it to you to totally misread the above statement in favor of the Albanians. It says the it is a challenge for the Asians and Albanians to have the money, smuggling capability, and distribution networks to move drugs into the country. Not that either group actually has those capabilities to a substanial degree. And that's because other groups now dominate the U.S. drug trade.

Here is a little simplified history of drug trafficking in the U.S. La Cosa Nostra controlled the drug trade (heroin) for about half a century, from the 1930's to the 1980's when the trans-Atlantic operation run by the Sicilan and American Mafias known as the "Pizza Connection" was taken down. It was in that same decade that the Colombian cartels came to power, edging Cuban traffickers that had been the main South American operators before, and cocaine replaced heroin as the leading drug of choice in America. After the fall of the "Pizza Connection," the Chinese took control of the heroin trade in the U.S. for about a decade, from the mid-1980's to the mid-1990's. That's when highly refined "China White" heroin became big. However, the Colombians began refining their own high grade heroin in the early-1990's, and the Mexicans followed soon after in the mid-1990's, and both replaced the Chinese. Over the last decade, the Colombians have scaled back their operations in the U.S., choosing to remain primarily on the produciton and supply side. Meanwhile, the Mexicans have rapidly expanded their operations across the country. Read the 2008 National Drug Threat Assessment by the DEA (link below). Mexican polydrug trafficking networks now control the smuggling and upperwholesale level of the drug trade (cocaine, heroin, marijuna, meth) in virtually every area of the U.S. except for the Northeast and South Florida. In those areas, the Colombians are still the main suppliers. In the Northeast specifically, Dominican groups are the main wholesalers for the Colombians, and as such, have far more of an impact than Albanian groups. Yes, there are Domincan street gangs. But there are also Domincan groups that are very much organized crime. And while they no longer hold the preemiment position they once did, the Italians are also bigger drug traffickers in the U.S. than the Albanians.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/18862/index.htm

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby MMRbkaRudog » August 22nd, 2008, 2:25 pm

Some Albanians & Italians don't even like each other, so they don't all work together.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby thewestside » August 22nd, 2008, 2:47 pm

MMRbkaRudog wrote:Some Albanians & Italians don't even like each other, so they don't all work together.


As far as organized crime in New York goes, the Albanians and Italians have gotten along for the most part. For years, many Albanians who immigrated to the U.S. did so by way of Italy, where they lived and worked before actually travelling to America. That's how the Albanians first began to work for the Italian crime families in New York and continue to do so in many cases.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby Richboy17 » August 22nd, 2008, 6:07 pm

thewestside wrote:
MMRbkaRudog wrote:Some Albanians & Italians don't even like each other, so they don't all work together.


As far as organized crime in New York goes, the Albanians and Italians have gotten along for the most part. For years, many Albanians who immigrated to the U.S. did so by way of Italy, where they lived and worked before actually travelling to America. That's how the Albanians first began to work for the Italian crime families in New York and continue to do so in many cases.


Let me tell you something, italians hate Albanians for the most part. Unless it is buisness they will be cool with each other. Albanians hate the italians vice versa they've been at it with each other since the Albanian immigrants stepped into Sicily.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby razbojnik » August 22nd, 2008, 9:35 pm

JohnnyRed wrote:
Richboy17 wrote:Oh yea wasnt there an albanian that testified against John Gotti



why dont you tell us that since you brought it up. and okay i see its pointless with people like you guys who have an image in your mind about gangs of new york based on movies that were made 10-20 years ago.

domicans first off everyone knows are on the street, they dont fit under organised crime. all they do is sell drugs for the bigger groups.

in the article it said albanians have the finances to pay for a load of heroin or cocaine and then have the means of bringing it into the country themselves and then have the means of distributing it also. which the italians used to have. they also said this about asians.

they mentioned albanians twice. and chinese and russians once. and both the russians and chinese were mentioned with the albanians if any of you read the article.

why didnt they talk about cubans? or dominicans? or blacks or west indians, irish, jews, or any other criminal group. because the four strongest criminals in new york are albanians, italians, russians and chinese.


Shqiperia Crimliatare Kombetare

Right?

Ushtaria anyone?

What's with the Satanic sounding French type of language?

Albanians are not big. Get over it. Albanians are the same as the Greeks in terms of both organized crime and toughness.

You pay us so you can operate otherwise we'll throw you the fuck out of Macedonia. There is no denying this.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby RONNIE » August 22nd, 2008, 10:43 pm

razbojnik wrote:You pay us so you can operate otherwise we'll throw you the fu-- out of Macedonia. There is no denying this.


LOL
You made my day, dumbo.This might be THE most stupid comment I have read so far on this forum.

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Re: Albanian mafia in NY

Unread postby Faciulina » August 23rd, 2008, 11:47 am

Let me tell you something, italians hate Albanians for the most part. Unless it is buisness they will be cool with each other. Albanians hate the italians vice versa they've been at it with each other since the Albanian immigrants stepped into Sicily.


albanians hate italians because they are envious, but anyway the few albanians who stepped into sicily in 1500s are different from actual albanians they were kings and princesses who escaped turkish domination, the actual albanian immigrants are poor people and almost all live in north italy


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