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American organized crime groups included traditional groups such as La Cosa Nostra & the Italian Mafia to modern groups such as Black Mafia Family. Discuss the most organized criminal groups in the United States including gangs in Canada.
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Unread post by Faciulina » October 16th, 2008, 5:40 pm

Frankly, I'm surprised why N'drangheta, Cammora or SCU hasent branched into the United States. But they havent done so to a visible degree despite what you think.
yes they have according to the feds they have at least 300 members around the states the latest drug bust showed like the ndrangheta is active in new york

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Unread post by AlbaniaUnited » October 17th, 2008, 10:55 pm

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Frankly, I'm surprised why N'drangheta, Cammora or SCU hasent branched into the United States. But they havent done so to a visible degree despite what you think.
yes they have according to the feds they have at least 300 members around the states the latest drug bust showed like the ndrangheta is active in new york

According to the feds or according to your dumb headed assumptions? Provide a source or shut the fcuk up bicth.

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Unread post by Faciulina » October 18th, 2008, 8:37 am

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/orgcrime/lcnindex.htm

Since their appearance in the 1800s, the Italian criminal societies known as the Mafia have infiltrated the social and economic fabric of Italy and now impact the world. They are some of the most notorious and widespread of all criminal societies.

There are several groups currently active in the U.S.: the Sicilian Mafia; the Camorra or Neapolitan Mafia; the ’Ndrangheta or Calabrian Mafia; and the Sacra Corona Unita or United Sacred Crown.

We estimate the four groups have approximately 25,000 members total, with 250,000 affiliates worldwide. There are more than 3,000 members and affiliates in the U.S., scattered mostly throughout the major cities in the Northeast, the Midwest, California, and the South. Their largest presence centers around New York, southern New Jersey, and Philadelphia


The Sicilian Mafia specializes in heroin trafficking, political corruption, and military arms trafficking—and is also known to engage in arson, frauds, counterfeiting, and other racketeering crimes. With an estimated 2,500 Sicilian Mafia affiliates it is the most powerful and most active Italian organized crime group in the U.S.

It is believed that nearly 200 Camorra affiliates reside in this country, many of whom arrived during the Camorra Wars.

There are about 160 ’Ndrangheta cells with roughly 6,000 members. They specialize in kidnapping and political corruption, but also engage in drug trafficking, murder, bombings, counterfeiting, gambling, frauds, thefts, labor racketeering, loansharking, and alien smuggling.
Cells are loosely connected family groups based on blood relationships and marriages. In the U.S., there are an estimated 100-200 members and associates, primarily in New York and Florida


Very few Sacra Corona Unita members have been identified in the U.S., although some individuals in Illinois, Florida, and New York have links to the organization.

the fbi official site is a credible source for you or you want some more credible? fucking retard down

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Unread post by AlbaniaUnited » October 18th, 2008, 9:06 am

-There are more than 3,000 (Total) members and affiliates in the U.S.
With an estimated 2,500 Sicilian Mafia affiliates it is the most powerful and most active Italian organized crime group in the U.S.
Nearly 200 Camorra affiliates.
Ndrangheta - In the U.S., there are an estimated 100-200 members and associates, primarily in New York and Florida

There are 3,000 members and associates of the Italian syndicates in the United States with the Sicilian mafia holding the overwhelming majority of the share. You said there was at least 300 Ndrangheta members in the United States. There are 100-200. You were wrong. You said that there were 2,500 Sicilian born gangsters in the United States. You were wrong. There are 1,100 members of the Sicilian mafia in the United States and the rest of that 2,500 number are associates. Most of them not being Italian.

Again your source contradicts you. Please try to make sense when you post.

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Unread post by Faciulina » October 18th, 2008, 9:18 am

There are 3,000 members and associates of the Italian syndicates in the United States with the Sicilian mafia holding the overwhelming majority of the share. You said there was at least 300 Ndrangheta members in the United States. There are 100-200. You were wrong. You said that there were 2,500 Sicilian born gangsters in the United States. You were wrong. There are 1,100 members of the Sicilian mafia in the United States and the rest of that 2,500 number are associates. Most of them not being Italian.
nahhhhhhhhh RETARD!! you can't even read you are an illiterate nobody 1.100 are the made members of the local cosa nostra 2.500 are the sicilian mobster outside local families the fbi is talking about italian syndicates across the ststes here

With an estimated 2,500 Sicilian Mafia affiliates it is the most powerful and most active Italian organized crime group in the U.S.

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Unread post by AlbaniaUnited » October 18th, 2008, 9:29 am

Faciulina wrote:
There are 3,000 members and associates of the Italian syndicates in the United States with the Sicilian mafia holding the overwhelming majority of the share. You said there was at least 300 Ndrangheta members in the United States. There are 100-200. You were wrong. You said that there were 2,500 Sicilian born gangsters in the United States. You were wrong. There are 1,100 members of the Sicilian mafia in the United States and the rest of that 2,500 number are associates. Most of them not being Italian.
nahhhhhhhhh RETARD!! you can't even read you are an illiterate nobody 1.100 are the made members of the local cosa nostra 2.500 are the sicilian mobster outside local families the fbi is talking about italian syndicates across the ststes here

With an estimated 2,500 Sicilian Mafia affiliates it is the most powerful and most active Italian organized crime group in the U.S.
Okay you fcuking moron. There are not 2,500 Sicilian mobsters in the United States outside the La Cosa Nostra. The La Cosa Nostra in the United states has 1,100 members with the rest of the 2,500 number being associates, most of whom are not Italian. You have to be an idiot to believe what you believe. Your an idiot. There is no sense with you. You do not look at facts, you rely strictly on your own ideas and beliefs. Even westside who is Italian has told you your the equivalent of JohnnyRed.

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Unread post by Faciulina » October 18th, 2008, 10:04 am

Okay you fcuking moron. There are not 2,500 Sicilian mobsters in the United States outside the La Cosa Nostra. The La Cosa Nostra in the United states has 1,100 members with the rest of the 2,500 number being associates, most of whom are not Italian. You have to be an idiot to believe what you believe. Your an idiot. There is no sense with you. You do not look at facts, you rely strictly on your own ideas and beliefs. Even westside who is Italian has told you your the equivalent of JohnnyRed.
the fbi says it fucking idiot i repeat it the fbi i know you would dimish the influence of italian mafia but you are only a clown you even don't believe in fbi and only in your own dreams and wishes or BS heard from some your moron friends in bronxass... the local cosa nostra has 1.100 members and 10.000 associates the sicilian mafia has its own independent branches in the states and it counts 2.500 members do you understand now fucking down? they are two different organizations although they are formed by sicilians and southern italians

With an estimated 2,500 Sicilian Mafia affiliates it is the most powerful and most active Italian organized crime group in the U.S. [/quote]

Okay you fcuking moron. There are not 2,500 Sicilian mobsters in the United States outside the La Cosa Nostra. The La Cosa Nostra in the United states has 1,100 members with the rest of the 2,500 number being associates, most of whom are not Italian. You have to be an idiot to believe what you believe. Your an idiot. There is no sense with you. You do not look at facts, you rely strictly on your own ideas and beliefs. Even westside who is Italian has told you your the equivalent of JohnnyRed.



http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/orgcrime/lcnindex.htm#cosa

La Cosa Nostra is the foremost organized criminal threat to American society. Literally translated into English it means “this thing of ours.” It is a nationwide alliance of criminals—linked by blood ties or through conspiracy—dedicated to pursuing crime and protecting its members.

Although La Cosa Nostra has its roots in Italian organized crime, it has been a separate organization for many years. Today, La Cosa Nostra cooperates in various criminal activities with different criminal groups that are headquartered in Italy.

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Unread post by AlbaniaUnited » October 18th, 2008, 10:23 am

Faciulina wrote:
Okay you fcuking moron. There are not 2,500 Sicilian mobsters in the United States outside the La Cosa Nostra. The La Cosa Nostra in the United states has 1,100 members with the rest of the 2,500 number being associates, most of whom are not Italian. You have to be an idiot to believe what you believe. Your an idiot. There is no sense with you. You do not look at facts, you rely strictly on your own ideas and beliefs. Even westside who is Italian has told you your the equivalent of JohnnyRed.
the fbi says it #%@&#%@ idiot i repeat it the fbi i know you would dimish the influence of italian mafia but you are only a clown you even don't believe in fbi and only in your own dreams and wishes or BS heard from some your moron friends in bronxass... the local cosa nostra has 1.100 members and 10.000 associates the sicilian mafia has its own independent branches in the states and it counts 2.500 members do you understand now #%@&#%@ down? they are two different organizations although they are formed by sicilians and southern italians

With an estimated 2,500 Sicilian Mafia affiliates it is the most powerful and most active Italian organized crime group in the U.S.
Okay you fcuking moron. There are not 2,500 Sicilian mobsters in the United States outside the La Cosa Nostra. The La Cosa Nostra in the United states has 1,100 members with the rest of the 2,500 number being associates, most of whom are not Italian. You have to be an idiot to believe what you believe. Your an idiot. There is no sense with you. You do not look at facts, you rely strictly on your own ideas and beliefs. Even westside who is Italian has told you your the equivalent of JohnnyRed.



http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/orgcrime/lcnindex.htm#cosa

La Cosa Nostra is the foremost organized criminal threat to American society. Literally translated into English it means “this thing of ours.” It is a nationwide alliance of criminals—linked by blood ties or through conspiracy—dedicated to pursuing crime and protecting its members.

Although La Cosa Nostra has its roots in Italian organized crime, it has been a separate organization for many years. Today, La Cosa Nostra cooperates in various criminal activities with different criminal groups that are headquartered in Italy.
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It can't be possible to be this stupid. I honestly feel bad for you.

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Unread post by thewestside » October 18th, 2008, 1:04 pm

Good grief people. Here is the breakdown of the numbers.

There are four major Italian syndicates that make up what has come to be called, whether individually or collectively, the Italian Mafia -

1. Cosa Nostra (Sicily) - Approximately 5,000 members grouped into about 180 clans.

2. Camorra (Campania) - Approximately 7,000 members grouped into about 150 clans.

3. 'Ndrangheta (Calabria) - Approximately 6,000 members grouped into about 160 clans.

4. Sacra Corona Unita (Puglia) - Approximately 2,000 members grouped into about 50 clans.

Together, the four major Italian syndicates have approximately 21,000 members grouped into about 540 clans.

The Italian groups easily have 10 associates for every member. In Italy, they usually use the term "affiliates."

The Italian's presence in the U.S. is as follows -

1. Cosa Nostra - 2,500 members and affiliates. There is no indication of what percentage are members and what are affiliates, but obviously the larger portion is going to be the latter.

2. Camorra - 200 members and affiliates.

3. 'Ndrangheta - 150-250 members and affiliates.

4. Sacra Corona Unita - "Very few" (according to the FBI)

Though they have ties to the American La Cosa Nostra, these groups are separate from it. Average estimates of the LCN in the U.S. are 1,100 total members, with individual Family associate ratios ranging from 2-10 associates for every member.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/orgcrime/lcnindex.htm#cosa
http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/EOP/NSC/htm ... p3.html#r3
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/218555.pdf

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Unread post by AlbaniaUnited » October 18th, 2008, 4:09 pm

thewestside wrote:Good grief people. Here is the breakdown of the numbers.

There are four major Italian syndicates that make up what has come to be called, whether individually or collectively, the Italian Mafia -

1. Cosa Nostra (Sicily) - Approximately 5,000 members grouped into about 180 clans.

2. Camorra (Campania) - Approximately 7,000 members grouped into about 150 clans.

3. 'Ndrangheta (Calabria) - Approximately 6,000 members grouped into about 160 clans.

4. Sacra Corona Unita (Puglia) - Approximately 2,000 members grouped into about 50 clans.

Together, the four major Italian syndicates have approximately 21,000 members grouped into about 540 clans.

The Italian groups easily have 10 associates for every member. In Italy, they usually use the term "affiliates."

The Italian's presence in the U.S. is as follows -

1. Cosa Nostra - 2,500 members and affiliates. There is no indication of what percentage are members and what are affiliates, but obviously the larger portion is going to be the latter.

2. Camorra - 200 members and affiliates.

3. 'Ndrangheta - 150-250 members and affiliates.

4. Sacra Corona Unita - "Very few" (according to the FBI)

Though they have ties to the American La Cosa Nostra, these groups are separate from it. Average estimates of the LCN in the U.S. are 1,100 total members, with individual Family associate ratios ranging from 2-10 associates for every member.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/orgcrime/lcnindex.htm#cosa
http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/EOP/NSC/htm ... p3.html#r3
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/218555.pdf
This is what my stupid ass (for arguing with someone as stupid as Faciulina) had been trying to tell him. There are 2,500 members and affiliates of the La Cosa Nostra in the United States. Not 2,500 Sicilian born gangsters outside the LCN in America like he claimed.

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Unread post by thewestside » October 18th, 2008, 4:38 pm

AlbaniaUnited wrote:This is what my stupid ass (for arguing with someone as stupid as Faciulina) had been trying to tell him. There are 2,500 members and affiliates of the La Cosa Nostra in the United States. Not 2,500 Sicilian born gangsters outside the LCN in America like he claimed.
Maybe you need to get some reading glasses yourself.

There are 1,100 members of La Cosa Nostra in the U.S. Associate estimates, depending on the Family, range anywhere from 2 to 10 per member.

The 2,500 figure for the Sicilian Mafia in America is largely a seperate figure from the one above. Of course, a portion of the the Sicilian Mafia's affiliates here in the U.S. will be members of the American LCN. But most of them are exclusively affiliates of the Sicilians.

Incidentally, how much can you really know about the Italians when you didn't know until recently that the American LCN and Sicilian Mafia are two separate organizations?

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Unread post by AlbaniaUnited » October 18th, 2008, 5:49 pm

Maybe you need to get some reading glasses yourself.

There are 1,100 members of La Cosa Nostra in the U.S. Associate estimates, depending on the Family, range anywhere from 2 to 10 per member.

The 2,500 figure for the Sicilian Mafia in America is largely a seperate figure from the one above. Of course, a portion of the the Sicilian Mafia's affiliates here in the U.S. will be members of the American LCN. But most of them are exclusively affiliates of the Sicilians.

Incidentally, how much can you really know about the Italians when you didn't know until recently that the American LCN and Sicilian Mafia are two separate organizations?
So your telling me that the La Cosa Nostra has 1,100 members and 2-10 associates then there is 2,500 Sicilian mafia members and affiliates in the United States? That is simply not true, the dumbest of people would know this. The mafia in its hayday had 5,000 members and associates and there are over 3,000 member and many more affiliates in 2008? BS, the mafia has barely weakened in that case then. They should still have 29 crime families through out the States in that case.

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AlbaniaUnited wrote:So your telling me that the La Cosa Nostra has 1,100 members and 2-10 associates then there is 2,500 Sicilian mafia members and affiliates in the United States? That is simply not true, the dumbest of people would know this. The mafia in its hayday had 5,000 members and associates and there are over 3,000 member and many more affiliates in 2008? BS, the mafia has barely weakened in that case then. They should still have 29 crime families through out the States in that case.
Why is this so hard for you to understand? The American La Cosa Nostra and the Siclian Mafia are not the same organization. Though they have ties to each other, both familial and business, they are separate.

While the figure of 5,000 members of the LCN in the U.S. at it's height has often been quoted, more specific studies of the membership of each of the Families at their collective peaks in the 1950's and 1960's shows a total membership of something closer to 2,500 or about half of the oft-mentioned 5,000 figure. Since they Families' sizes began to decline in the 1970's, that number has shrunk to about 1,100 today. Again, we are talking just members here. Not associates. And at the peak of their memberships, the LCN had a larger ratio of associates as well.

The 2,500 figure the FBI has listed for members and affiliates of the Sicilian Mafia in the U.S. is mostly separate from the above. As I said before, it likely includes many LCN members who are considered "affiliates" of the Sicilians and vice versa. And because it is a rather high number, the definition of "affiliates" being used was probably a loose one.

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thewestside wrote:
AlbaniaUnited wrote:So your telling me that the La Cosa Nostra has 1,100 members and 2-10 associates then there is 2,500 Sicilian mafia members and affiliates in the United States? That is simply not true, the dumbest of people would know this. The mafia in its hayday had 5,000 members and associates and there are over 3,000 member and many more affiliates in 2008? BS, the mafia has barely weakened in that case then. They should still have 29 crime families through out the States in that case.
Why is this so hard for you to understand? The American La Cosa Nostra and the Siclian Mafia are not the same organization. Though they have ties to each other, both familial and business, they are separate.

While the figure of 5,000 members of the LCN in the U.S. at it's height has often been quoted, more specific studies of the membership of each of the Families at their collective peaks in the 1950's and 1960's shows a total membership of something closer to 2,500 or about half of the oft-mentioned 5,000 figure. Since they Families' sizes began to decline in the 1970's, that number has shrunk to about 1,100 today. Again, we are talking just members here. Not associates. And at the peak of their memberships, the LCN had a larger ratio of associates as well.

The 2,500 figure the FBI has listed for members and affiliates of the Sicilian Mafia in the U.S. is mostly separate from the above. As I said before, it likely includes many LCN members who are considered "affiliates" of the Sicilians and vice versa. And because it is a rather high number, the definition of "affiliates" being used was probably a loose one.


So if there are all those Sicilian gangster here in America, what are they doing, where are the families? How come there are no indictments on Sicilian gangsters from Sicily?

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AlbaniaUnited wrote:So if there are all those Sicilian gangster here in America, what are they doing, where are the families? How come there are no indictments on Sicilian gangsters from Sicily?
The same could be asked about Albanian gangsters and why there isn't more indictments of them.

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thewestside wrote:
AlbaniaUnited wrote:So if there are all those Sicilian gangster here in America, what are they doing, where are the families? How come there are no indictments on Sicilian gangsters from Sicily?
The same could be asked about Albanian gangsters and why there isn't more indictments of them.
Alex Rudaj
Ismail Lika
Daut Kadriovski (operating philly and ny,nj)
Zef Mustafa (made millions AGAIN in scams in europe, swtizerland i think, brought in drugs from europe all over detroit philly new york boston)
Lulzim Kupi - brother of albanian mob boss
Lulzim Kupa
Ermira Hatija (said to be in ny or albania)
Fekrim Haxhaj (from ny)
Mirsad Pjitrovic
Vucksan `Ranko' Mickovic ( him and mirsad were said to be able to stela ANYTHING)
YACS gang (which is 95% Albanian which is like what one estimate even estimated them at fuckin 400 people and ALOTTT of idnictments have been handed down to this group it keeps operating all over the country robbing stores like art work)
Anton Spaci (and all the members he was caught with for selling fake stocks and machien guns to agents)
Andreja Spaci

I could go on if i look into it and this is only new york city we are talking about


yooo besides the lcn and the coupld of hundreds of members from other syndicates there are not other italian gangsters in america, 2500!?!?!?!?!!? shut the fuckkkkkkkkkk upppppppp, if they had 2500 on top of the other counts then the italians wud still be in their hayday, 2500 sicilians, 1100 lcn hundreds of ndrangheta and camorra? lmaoooo, the FBI stated yestderday tht al capone rose from his grave... did u know him and johnny torrio put their old crew together again? their known associates of arnold squitieri ahahahahaah

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So if there are all those Sicilian gangster here in America, what are they doing, where are the families? How come there are no indictments on Sicilian gangsters from Sicily?
in the last bust were arrested 80 sicilians togheter with the gambino's ahahahaha instead to be interested in albaniass chichenthieves you should lear about the real mafia fucking retard

yooo besides the lcn and the coupld of hundreds of members from other syndicates there are not other italian gangsters in america, 2500!?!?!?!?!!? shut the fuckkkkkkkkkk upppppppp, if they had 2500 on top of the other counts then the italians wud still be in their hayday, 2500 sicilians, 1100 lcn hundreds of ndrangheta and camorra? lmaoooo, the FBI stated yestderday tht al capone rose from his grave... did u know him and johnny torrio put their old crew together again? their known associates of arnold squitieri ahahahahaah
thewestside wrote:
AlbaniaUnited wrote:So if there are all those Sicilian gangster here in America, what are they doing, where are the families? How come there are no indictments on Sicilian gangsters from Sicily?
The same could be asked about Albanian gangsters and why there isn't more indictments of them.
Alex Rudaj
Ismail Lika
Daut Kadriovski (operating philly and ny,nj)
Zef Mustafa (made millions AGAIN in scams in europe, swtizerland i think, brought in drugs from europe all over detroit philly new york boston)
Lulzim Kupi - brother of albanian mob boss
Lulzim Kupa
Ermira Hatija (said to be in ny or albania)
Fekrim Haxhaj (from ny)
Mirsad Pjitrovic
Vucksan `Ranko' Mickovic ( him and mirsad were said to be able to stela ANYTHING)
YACS gang (which is 95% Albanian which is like what one estimate even estimated them at fuckin 400 people and ALOTTT of idnictments have been handed down to this group it keeps operating all over the country robbing stores like art work)
Anton Spaci (and all the members he was caught with for selling fake stocks and machien guns to agents)
Andreja Spaci

I could go on if i look into it and this is only new york city we are talking about

yooo besides the lcn and the coupld of hundreds of members from other syndicates there are not other italian gangsters in america, 2500!?!?!?!?!!? shut the fuckkkkkkkkkk upppppppp, if they had 2500 on top of the other counts then the italians wud still be in their hayday, 2500 sicilians, 1100 lcn hundreds of ndrangheta and camorra? lmaoooo, the FBI stated yestderday tht al capone rose from his grave... did u know him and johnny torrio put their old crew together again? their known associates of arnold squitieri ahahahahaah
you idiot ahahahaha the fbi said it that's not a fake article written by yourself or serbianna.org or same albanian bullshiter like yours that's the official fbi site

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Zef Mustafa (made millions AGAIN in scams in europe, swtizerland i think, brought in drugs from europe all over detroit philly new york boston)
ahahahahahahahah do you know like he made millions? his sisters sucking southern italian dicks and the italians paid them 10 euros for a blowjop

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Faciulina wrote:
Zef Mustafa (made millions AGAIN in scams in europe, swtizerland i think, brought in drugs from europe all over detroit philly new york boston)
ahahahahahahahah do you know like he made millions? his sisters sucking southern italian dicks and the italians paid them 10 euros for a blowjop


Thats why during his court trial the prosecutors said even the other wiseguys are scared of him, talking about his italian associates in the gambino family.

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JohnnyRed wrote:
Alex Rudaj
Ismail Lika
Daut Kadriovski (operating philly and ny,nj)
Zef Mustafa (made millions AGAIN in scams in europe, swtizerland i think, brought in drugs from europe all over detroit philly new york boston)
Lulzim Kupi - brother of albanian mob boss
Lulzim Kupa
Ermira Hatija (said to be in ny or albania)
Fekrim Haxhaj (from ny)
Mirsad Pjitrovic
Vucksan `Ranko' Mickovic ( him and mirsad were said to be able to stela ANYTHING)
YACS gang (which is 95% Albanian which is like what one estimate even estimated them at fuckin 400 people and ALOTTT of idnictments have been handed down to this group it keeps operating all over the country robbing stores like art work)
Anton Spaci (and all the members he was caught with for selling fake stocks and machien guns to agents)
Andreja Spaci
What is this supposed to prove? If we are simply going by a list of known mobsters and indictments I could give you a list as long as your arm of indictments involving the LCN over the last 8 years.

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Unread post by JohnnyRed » October 23rd, 2008, 12:26 pm

What is this supposed to prove? If we are simply going by a list of known mobsters and indictments I could give you a list as long as your arm of indictments involving the LCN over the last 8 years.

I never said you couldnt did I? But you told me there hasent been any arrests of Albanians in New York. And then you tell me when I post some up what is it supposed to prove? Are you slow? You told me that there was no indictments against Albanians in New York City. I gave you a few of them. It is supposed to prove that there has been indictments against them :S. You have a hard time remebering what you tell people. And you say stupid things like Albanians havent been indicted in New York. Just the 'corporation' and 'YACS' group indictments number over 40. Almost all of them being Albanian.

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Unread post by thewestside » October 23rd, 2008, 6:04 pm

JohnnyRed wrote:I never said you couldnt did I? But you told me there hasent been any arrests of Albanians in New York. And then you tell me when I post some up what is it supposed to prove? Are you slow? You told me that there was no indictments against Albanians in New York City. I gave you a few of them. It is supposed to prove that there has been indictments against them :S. You have a hard time remebering what you tell people. And you say stupid things like Albanians havent been indicted in New York. Just the 'corporation' and 'YACS' group indictments number over 40. Almost all of them being Albanian.
You are the one who is slow. I never said there weren't arrests of Albanians in New York or elsewhere in the U.S. What I was saying is that there haven't been enough to establish your claim of the level of Albanian organized crime activity in the country.

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JohnnyRed wrote:I never said you couldnt did I? But you told me there hasent been any arrests of Albanians in New York. And then you tell me when I post some up what is it supposed to prove? Are you slow? You told me that there was no indictments against Albanians in New York City. I gave you a few of them. It is supposed to prove that there has been indictments against them :S. You have a hard time remebering what you tell people. And you say stupid things like Albanians havent been indicted in New York. Just the 'corporation' and 'YACS' group indictments number over 40. Almost all of them being Albanian.
You are the one who is slow. I never said there weren't arrests of Albanians in New York or elsewhere in the U.S. What I was saying is that there haven't been enough to establish your claim of the level of Albanian organized crime activity in the country.

Yacs group - 75-100 arrests, almost completely Albanians. (said to have over 400 members) and is a major FBI initiative.
Rudaj - 22 indictments, most Albanians.
Ismail Lika and his people (unknown number)
Not to mention all of the other arrests outside these groups such as Zef Mustafa who is richer then 80% of made members and started a heroin pipeline from Europe-Canada-Detroit-Chicago-New York as well as established scams in Europe such as scams he did here.

So what are you talking about westside? I mean Albanians are the biggest thiefs in New York City, I think we can agree on that. Not to mention it is not robbery that has gained them their noriety, it is drug trafficking.

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Unread post by thewestside » October 24th, 2008, 11:06 am

JohnnyRed wrote:Yacs group - 75-100 arrests, almost completely Albanians. (said to have over 400 members) and is a major FBI initiative.
Rudaj - 22 indictments, most Albanians.
Ismail Lika and his people (unknown number)
Not to mention all of the other arrests outside these groups such as Zef Mustafa who is richer then 80% of made members and started a heroin pipeline from Europe-Canada-Detroit-Chicago-New York as well as established scams in Europe such as scams he did here.

So what are you talking about westside? I mean Albanians are the biggest thiefs in New York City, I think we can agree on that. Not to mention it is not robbery that has gained them their noriety, it is drug trafficking.
75-100 YACS arrests? I'm not sure where you got that number but if that's the case, the last Gambino bust alone was bigger than all those. And for the record, YACS isn't a single organization with "members." YACS simply means burglars of Yugoslavian, Albanian, Croatian, and Serbian background. The 22 indictments in the Rudaj case would be about the size of an average LCN indictment, of which there are multiple ones a year. I can't even believe you are bringing up Lika again, as well as "his people," who you admit that is an unknown number. Mustafa is also one guy and he works for the LCN. And what facts are you basing Mustafa being "richer than 80% of made members?" Is that another figure you just pulled out of your ass? Albanians are known for many types of crimes, drug trafficking simply being one of them. They are now a major investigative priority for the FBI but they are not at the level that you like to envision them.

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Unread post by JohnnyRed » October 25th, 2008, 1:00 pm

75-100 YACS arrests? I'm not sure where you got that number but if that's the case, the last Gambino bust alone was bigger than all those.
The Gambino bust was in total 62 mobsters. 50 of them being Gambino members. Your just '''talking out your ass'' like you accuse me of doing. But you seem to do it yourself quite often.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02072008/ne ... 438622.htm
And for the record, YACS isn't a single organization with "members." YACS simply means burglars of Yugoslavian, Albanian, Croatian, and Serbian background.
See this is what I mean by you downsize everything. The YACs crime group is one group. It is pretty much a crime family without the boss, underboss and consigliere. Rather they have men who are in charge of crews who all know each other and band together if need to. To say every Albanian arrested or indicted on burgarly charges would be called a member of the YACS crime group is just BS coming from you. This is why your a biased idiot.
The 22 indictments in the Rudaj case would be about the size of an average LCN indictment, of which there are multiple ones a year. I can't even believe you are bringing up Lika again, as well as "his people," who you admit that is an unknown number.
So what if it is an average indictment for the Italian crime families, what the fuck does that have to do with anything? I simply referred to it because they were mostly Albanians and you said there has been no indictments on Albanians. And now you come on here and downsize the shit I give you because you asked for it. Like wow, and I am here trying to discuss organized crime with you. Besides the Gambino bust, name another 22 member indictment of the Italians or shut the fuck up and dont repeat it again.
Mustafa is also one guy and he works for the LCN. And what facts are you basing Mustafa being "richer than 80% of made members?" Is that another figure you just pulled out of your ass? Albanians are known for many types of crimes, drug trafficking simply being one of them. They are now a major investigative priority for the FBI but they are not at the level that you like to envision them.
I simply envision them on the level that they are on. It doesnt matter who Zef Mustafa worked for. He was 100% Albanian blooded. Making him a product of ''Albanian organized crime". He worked for Frank because Frank was pretty much his father. And Frank's son was Mustafa's best man at his wedding. But this has nothing to do with Zef Mustafa being richer then 80% of made guys. He made $20 million dollars just in the mob porn business. Zef Mustafa had allegedly murdered a man named Frank Politti in the early '80s, and then dismembered his body. He'd allegedly killed another man named Gino Masha, as well as the two sons of Anthony Porcelli. Despite his acquittal at trial, the bureau claimed he had in fact killed Joseph Mincione, the man Mustafa had been accused of beating to death with a bat in 1986. Other alleged murders were listed, as well as allegations that he trafficked in heroin and conducted loan-sharking. His explanation for the fraud was that he needed the passport in order to make a trip to London. He wanted to "open a business out there," he said.

Zef Musta made $20 million simply on porn, not to mention he worked in Heroin and created a pipeline from Europe down to Canada then to the United States through the Albanian communities there. He also executed serveral fraud schemes in Europe. He probably did the same thing he did in America, in Europe. Knowing that Europe would be more ignorant towards these schemes then America would be.

"Between 1992 and 1993, Mustafa was seen in the city of Pocradec where authorities say he was involved in an investment scam which reportedly took in millions before he left. He has been known to travel throughout Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Brussels and Paris before returning to New York. It is believed he controls and/or oversees a significant portion of the drug trade that emanates from Europe, including Italy, to Canada, and eventually to Detroit, Boston, and Chicago, areas where there are concentrated Albanian communities."
See, Peter Moses, `Albanian Mafia: Brutal....to put it Mildly', The New York Post [vol. 191 #48 1992]

This is how I know Zef Mustafa is richer then 80% of made guys. And the 80% figure is being generous I mean come on, there are 750 made members in New York's five families. Name me 150 made mobsters who have a career in crime as established and lucrative as Mustafas. Hell, name even 70. Exactly....

And last but not least, it is drug trafficking that has gained Albanians the most noriety in crime in America.

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Unread post by TeeKay » October 25th, 2008, 1:50 pm

Lol,this is how you know hes richer than "80% of made guys" some 16 year old fan boy kid from Toronto know's how some Elder albanian crim is living,this is fu*kin hillarious!

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Unread post by JohnnyRed » October 25th, 2008, 3:34 pm

TeeKay wrote:Lol,this is how you know hes richer than "80% of made guys" some 16 year old fan boy kid from Toronto know's how some Elder albanian crim is living,this is fu*kin hillarious!


No dick, but I can read... why don't you actually read and research shit instead of just talking out your ass. He is richer then 80% of the made guys in New York. Like I said, name me 150 (20% of New York) made guys who are richer then Zef Mustafa and I will never repeat what I said again. Go ahead, I'll be here waiting.

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Unread post by thewestside » October 25th, 2008, 9:19 pm

JohnnyRed wrote:The Gambino bust was in total 62 mobsters. 50 of them being Gambino members. Your just '''talking out your ass'' like you accuse me of doing. But you seem to do it yourself quite often.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02072008/ne ... 438622.htm
Wrong genius. Why don't you try doing some deeper research besides the first article you can manage to dig up through Google. That article above doesn't list all the defendants. The recent Gambino bust was actually two seperate indictments (links below). I realize you're too damn lazy to actually read the indictments so I listed the 87 defendants listed in both of them.

Federal Indictment - http://www.wnbc.com/download/2008/0207/15242429.pdf
Queens Indictment - http://www.queensda.org/newpressrelease ... t%20al.pdf

1. John "Jackie Nose" D'Amico - Acting Boss
2. Domenico "Italian Dom" Cefalu - Acting Underboss
3. Joseph "Jo Jo" Corozzo - Consigliere

4. Nicholas "Little Nick" Corozzo - Captain
5. Thomas "Tommy Sneakers" Cacciopoli - Captain
6. Leonard "Lenny" DiMaria - Captain
7. Frank Cali - Acting Captain
8. Louis Filipelli - Acting Captain
9. Augustus "Gus" Sclafani - Acting Captain

10. Jerome "Jerry" Brancato - Soldier
11. Charles "Charlie Carnig" Carneglia - Soldier
12. Mario "Lanza" Cassarino - Soldier
13. Joseph "Joe Marco Polo" Chirico - Soldier
14. Vincent "Vinny" Dragonetti - Soldier
15. Robert "Bobby the Jew" Epifania - Soldier
16. Richard Gotti - Soldier
17. Vincent Gotti - Soldier
18. Ernest "Ernie" Grillo - Soldier
19. Anthony "Cheeks" Licata - Soldier
20. James "Big Guy" Outerie - Soldier
21. Vincent "Vinny Basile" Pacelli - Soldier
22. Angelo "Little Ange" Ruggiero Jr. - Soldier
23. Joseph Scopo - Soldier
24. William "Billy" Scotto - Soldier
25. Michael Scarola - Soldier
26. Blaise Corozzo - Soldier
27. Louis Scida - Soldier

28. Gino Cracolici - Associate
29. Vincent "Vinny Hot" Decongilio - Associate
30. Steven "Stevie I" Iaria - Associate
31. Anthony "Tono O" O'Donnell - Associate
32. Richard "Fat Richie" Ranieri - Associate
33. Anthony Scibelli - Associate
34. Joseph Spinnato - Associate
35. Neil Altstat - Associate
36. Todd Segarra - Associate
37. Robert Merietta - Associate
38. Michael Grillo - Associate
39. William Peel - Associate
40. Pasquale Guarino - Associate
41. James Rossetti - Associate
42. Raffaele Rosella - Associate
43. Charles Hacker - Associate
44. Rocco Calderola - Associate
45. Vincent Giusto - Associate
46. Paul Torres - Associate
47. Ricardo Baird - Associate
48. Antonio Gonzalez - Associate
49. Robert Vita - Associate
50. Vincent Caravello - Associate
51. Frank Mancini - Associate
52. Benedict Delleani - Associate
53. Joseph Mantone - Associate
54. Timothy Gleason - Associate
55. John Backer - Associate
56. Chris Lanser - Associate
57. Paul Torres - Associate

58. Vincent "Elmo" Amarante - Soldier (Bonanno family)
59. Steven Sabella - Associate (Bonanno family)
60. Michael "Mike the Electrician" Urciuoli - Associate (Bonanno family)
61. Nicholas Calvo - Associate (Genovese family)

62. Anthony "Anthony Delvecchio" Delvescovo - Defendant
63. Sarah Dauria - Defendant
64. Louis Mosca - Defendant
65. Michael King - Defendant
66. Joseph Agate - Defendant
67. Joseph "Joe Rackets" Casiere - Defendant
68. Vincent Donnis - Defendant
69. Cody Ferrell - Defendant
70. Russel "One Eye" Ferrisi - Defendant
71. Ronald Flam - Defendant
72. Joseph "Joe Gag" Gaggi - Defendant
73. Abid "Han" Ghani - Defendant
74. Anthony "Buckwheat" Giammarino - Defendant
75. Christopher Howard - Defendant
76. Eddie James - Defendant
77. John Kasgorgis - Defendant
78. William Kilgannon - Defendant
79. Lance Moskowitz - Defendant
80. John Pisano - Defendant
81. Todd Polakoff - Defendant
82. Giulio Pomponio - Defendant
83. John Regis - Defendant
84. Edward Sobol - Defendant
85. Frank Vassallo - Defendant
86. Tara Vega - Defendant
87. Arthur Zagari - Defendant
See this is what I mean by you downsize everything. The YACs crime group is one group. It is pretty much a crime family without the boss, underboss and consigliere. Rather they have men who are in charge of crews who all know each other and band together if need to. To say every Albanian arrested or indicted on burgarly charges would be called a member of the YACS crime group is just BS coming from you. This is why your a biased idiot.
You have got to be kidding me. A crime family with a boss, underboss, and consigliere? LOL! That is beyond stupid, even for you. YACS groups are loosely organized high-end burglary rings of Yugoslavians, Albanians, Croatians, and Serbians. They are not a single organization.
So what if it is an average indictment for the Italian crime families, what the fu-- does that have to do with anything? I simply referred to it because they were mostly Albanians and you said there has been no indictments on Albanians. And now you come on here and downsize the shit I give you because you asked for it. Like wow, and I am here trying to discuss organized crime with you. Besides the Gambino bust, name another 22 member indictment of the Italians or shut the fu-- up and dont repeat it again.
I only bring it up because you have no perspective. You think the 22 defendant indictment of the Rudaj gang was big. Yes, it was. But it was relatively rare. The evidence you have been able to provide, such as it is, does not support your view of the presence of Albanian organized crime in the U.S.

March 2000 - 19 people tied to the Gambino and Colombo families were indicted on charges of stocks/securities fraud.

In June 2000 - 120 people tied to all five New York families were indicted on multiple charges of stocks/securities fraud.

September 2000 - 38 people connected to the Gambino and Lucchese families were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, bid-rigging, and bribery related to the control of the Laborers, Carpenters, and Bricklayers Unions in the construction industry.

In April 2001 - 45 members and associates of all five New York families were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, exortion, drug trafficking, mail and wire fraud, stocks/securities fraud, money laundering, and labor bribery.

September 2001 - 24 Genovese members and associates indicted on charges related to multimillion stolen auto parts ring.

December 2001 - 73 people, including 34 Genovese members and associates, were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, labor racketeering, union fund embezzlement, stocks/securities fraud, trafficking in stolen goods, counterfeiting, and attempted bank fraud.

February 2002 - 26 people involved with the Genovese and Gambino families were indicted on labor racketeering and extortion charges related to their control of the International Union of Elevator Workers.

February 2002 - 20 Colombo members and associates were indicted on charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, and murder.

March 2002 - 15 Bonanno members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, drug trafficking, and murder.

June 2002 - 17 Gambino members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, money laundering, and labor racketeering in the International Longshoresmen Union on the New York waterfront.

June 2003 - Over 20 Colombo members and associates were indicted on charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, and witness tampering.

November 2002 - over 20 members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, and fraud.

December 2002 - 17 Gambino members and associates were indicted for running a multimillion dollar gambling operation in Queens.

December 2002 - 27 members and associates of the Lucchese and Bonanno families were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, and drug trafficking.

February 2003 - 42 members and associates of the Genovese and Colombo familes were involved in two separate indictments related to charges of labor racketeering through control of the International Union of Operating Engineers.

June 2003 - 19 Genovese members and associates were indicted on illegal gambling, loansharking, drug trafficking, and theft charges.

January 2004 - 18 Bonanno members and associates were indicted on charges of racketeering, loansharking, and extortion.

April 2004 - 22 Genovese members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, extortion, and fraud involving the family’s control of the Carpenters and Plasterers Unions in New York’s drywall industry.

December 2004 - 40 members and associates of four New York families were indicted for running a large scale illegal gambling operation through offshore locations.

February 2005 - 23 Bonanno members and associates were indicted on illegal gambling and theft charges.

March 2005 - 32 Gambino members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, embezzlement of union funds, trafficking in stolen property, and extortion of construction companies, trucking companies, restaurants and nightclubs.

April 2005 - 17 members and associates of the Genovese and Bonanno families were charged for controlling a large scale illegal gambling operation in Queens.

July 2005 - 20 Genovese members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, extortion, loansharking, and labor racketeering involving the family’s control of the Amalgamated Transit Union.

August 2005 - 15 Genovese members and associates were indicted on illegal gambling, loansharking, and extortion charges related to the family’s operations in New Jersey.

February 2006 - 32 Genovese members and associates were indicted on charges of racketeering, extortion, money laundering, narcotics trafficking, illegal gambling and control of the Bakery, Confectionary, and Tobacco Worker’s Union, as well as charges of assault and intimidation related to the family's garbage hauling operations in Mount Vernon.

June 2006 - 29 people tied to the Genovese Family were indicted on charges of racketeering, tax and consumer fraud, and corruption related to the family’s control of the waste hauling industry in Connecticut.

February 2007 - 19 Bonanno members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, extortion, loansharking, stocks/securities fraud, and drug trafficking.

April 2007 - 27 people were arrested in Arizona for running a large scale illegal gambling operation with ties to the Gambino and Colombo families.

December 2007 - 32 Lucchese members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, money laundering, as well as smuggling drugs and cell phones into prison in conjunction with the Bloods street gang.

February 2008 - 87 Gambino members and associates were involved in a two separate indictments involving multiple charges of racketeering, drug trafficking, stocks/securities fraud, loansharking, illegal gambling, theft of union benefits, bribery, robbery, prostitution, murder, and extortion in the construction and trucking industries.

March 2008 - 45 people tied to the Genovese family were arrested on charges of running a large scale illegal gambling operation and drug trafficking.

May 2008 - 23 members and associates of the Gambino and Lucchese families were named in a superceding indictment that followed another one from the previous May, involving multiple charges of illegal gambling, extortion, bank fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, stolen goods, labor racketeering, and money laundering.
I simply envision them on the level that they are on. It doesnt matter who Zef Mustafa worked for. He was 100% Albanian blooded. Making him a product of ''Albanian organized crime". He worked for Frank because Frank was pretty much his father. And Frank's son was Mustafa's best man at his wedding. But this has nothing to do with Zef Mustafa being richer then 80% of made guys. He made $20 million dollars just in the mob porn business. Zef Mustafa had allegedly murdered a man named Frank Politti in the early '80s, and then dismembered his body. He'd allegedly killed another man named Gino Masha, as well as the two sons of Anthony Porcelli. Despite his acquittal at trial, the bureau claimed he had in fact killed Joseph Mincione, the man Mustafa had been accused of beating to death with a bat in 1986. Other alleged murders were listed, as well as allegations that he trafficked in heroin and conducted loan-sharking. His explanation for the fraud was that he needed the passport in order to make a trip to London. He wanted to "open a business out there," he said.

Zef Musta made $20 million simply on porn, not to mention he worked in Heroin and created a pipeline from Europe down to Canada then to the United States through the Albanian communities there. He also executed serveral fraud schemes in Europe. He probably did the same thing he did in America, in Europe. Knowing that Europe would be more ignorant towards these schemes then America would be.

"Between 1992 and 1993, Mustafa was seen in the city of Pocradec where authorities say he was involved in an investment scam which reportedly took in millions before he left. He has been known to travel throughout Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Brussels and Paris before returning to New York. It is believed he controls and/or oversees a significant portion of the drug trade that emanates from Europe, including Italy, to Canada, and eventually to Detroit, Boston, and Chicago, areas where there are concentrated Albanian communities."
See, Peter Moses, `Albanian Mafia: Brutal....to put it Mildly', The New York Post [vol. 191 #48 1992]

This is how I know Zef Mustafa is richer then 80% of made guys. And the 80% figure is being generous I mean come on, there are 750 made members in New York's five families. Name me 150 made mobsters who have a career in crime as established and lucrative as Mustafas. Hell, name even 70. Exactly....
Mustafa is a product of Italian organized crime. He may be Albanian, but he has always worked for the LCN. He made his millions working for the Gambino Family. He is a high-level associate who has benefited from being with the Locascio crew, who have always been big earners. You make it sound like he is a self-made independent when that isn't the case at all. But leave it to you to magnify one guy (because he is Albanian) over an entire crime family that he works for. Mustafa isn't your average Albanian criminal.
And last but not least, it is drug trafficking that has gained Albanians the most noriety in crime in America.
Various crimes have gained the Albanians notoriety in the U.S. Drug trafficking being one of them. They are not as big of narcotics dealers as you think.

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JohnnyRed wrote:
TeeKay wrote:Lol,this is how you know hes richer than "80% of made guys" some 16 year old fan boy kid from Toronto know's how some Elder albanian crim is living,this is fu*kin hillarious!


No dick, but I can read... why don't you actually read and research shit instead of just talking out your ass. He is richer then 80% of the made guys in New York. Like I said, name me 150 (20% of New York) made guys who are richer then Zef Mustafa and I will never repeat what I said again. Go ahead, I'll be here waiting.
The burden of proof is on you moron. You're the one that pulled the figure of 80% out of your ass. You have no idea about how many LCN members are millionaires. Just look at my above post to see how utterly clueless you are on the LCN. You thought I couldn't name more than one LCN indictment with more than 22 defendants. Your level of ignorance is breathtaking.

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Unread post by razbojnik » October 26th, 2008, 7:15 pm

thewestside wrote:Your level of ignorance is breathtaking.
LOL Epic, indeed...

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Unread post by AlbaniaUnited » October 27th, 2008, 8:34 am

thewestside wrote:
JohnnyRed wrote:
TeeKay wrote:Lol,this is how you know hes richer than "80% of made guys" some 16 year old fan boy kid from Toronto know's how some Elder albanian crim is living,this is fu*kin hillarious!


No dick, but I can read... why don't you actually read and research shit instead of just talking out your ass. He is richer then 80% of the made guys in New York. Like I said, name me 150 (20% of New York) made guys who are richer then Zef Mustafa and I will never repeat what I said again. Go ahead, I'll be here waiting.
The burden of proof is on you moron. You're the one that pulled the figure of 80% out of your ass. You have no idea about how many LCN members are millionaires. Just look at my above post to see how utterly clueless you are on the LCN. You thought I couldn't name more than one LCN indictment with more than 22 defendants. Your level of ignorance is breathtaking.

Congratulations. You have given many indictments on Italians and others involved with them. Now step two, name 150 made guys who are richer then Zef Mustafa... :)

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Unread post by AlbaniaUnited » October 27th, 2008, 8:51 am

thewestside wrote:
JohnnyRed wrote:The Gambino bust was in total 62 mobsters. 50 of them being Gambino members. Your just '''talking out your ass'' like you accuse me of doing. But you seem to do it yourself quite often.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02072008/ne ... 438622.htm

Wrong genius. Why don't you try doing some deeper research besides the first article you can manage to dig up through Google. That article above doesn't list all the defendants. The recent Gambino bust was actually two seperate indictments (links below). I realize you're too damn lazy to actually read the indictments so I listed the 87 defendants listed in both of them.

Federal Indictment - http://www.wnbc.com/download/2008/0207/15242429.pdf
Queens Indictment - http://www.queensda.org/newpressrelease ... t%20al.pdf

1. John "Jackie Nose" D'Amico - Acting Boss
2. Domenico "Italian Dom" Cefalu - Acting Underboss
3. Joseph "Jo Jo" Corozzo - Consigliere

4. Nicholas "Little Nick" Corozzo - Captain
5. Thomas "Tommy Sneakers" Cacciopoli - Captain
6. Leonard "Lenny" DiMaria - Captain
7. Frank Cali - Acting Captain
8. Louis Filipelli - Acting Captain
9. Augustus "Gus" Sclafani - Acting Captain

10. Jerome "Jerry" Brancato - Soldier
11. Charles "Charlie Carnig" Carneglia - Soldier
12. Mario "Lanza" Cassarino - Soldier
13. Joseph "Joe Marco Polo" Chirico - Soldier
14. Vincent "Vinny" Dragonetti - Soldier
15. Robert "Bobby the Jew" Epifania - Soldier
16. Richard Gotti - Soldier
17. Vincent Gotti - Soldier
18. Ernest "Ernie" Grillo - Soldier
19. Anthony "Cheeks" Licata - Soldier
20. James "Big Guy" Outerie - Soldier
21. Vincent "Vinny Basile" Pacelli - Soldier
22. Angelo "Little Ange" Ruggiero Jr. - Soldier
23. Joseph Scopo - Soldier
24. William "Billy" Scotto - Soldier
25. Michael Scarola - Soldier
26. Blaise Corozzo - Soldier
27. Louis Scida - Soldier

28. Gino Cracolici - Associate
29. Vincent "Vinny Hot" Decongilio - Associate
30. Steven "Stevie I" Iaria - Associate
31. Anthony "Tono O" O'Donnell - Associate
32. Richard "Fat Richie" Ranieri - Associate
33. Anthony Scibelli - Associate
34. Joseph Spinnato - Associate
35. Neil Altstat - Associate
36. Todd Segarra - Associate
37. Robert Merietta - Associate
38. Michael Grillo - Associate
39. William Peel - Associate
40. Pasquale Guarino - Associate
41. James Rossetti - Associate
42. Raffaele Rosella - Associate
43. Charles Hacker - Associate
44. Rocco Calderola - Associate
45. Vincent Giusto - Associate
46. Paul Torres - Associate
47. Ricardo Baird - Associate
48. Antonio Gonzalez - Associate
49. Robert Vita - Associate
50. Vincent Caravello - Associate
51. Frank Mancini - Associate
52. Benedict Delleani - Associate
53. Joseph Mantone - Associate
54. Timothy Gleason - Associate
55. John Backer - Associate
56. Chris Lanser - Associate
57. Paul Torres - Associate

58. Vincent "Elmo" Amarante - Soldier (Bonanno family)
59. Steven Sabella - Associate (Bonanno family)
60. Michael "Mike the Electrician" Urciuoli - Associate (Bonanno family)
61. Nicholas Calvo - Associate (Genovese family)

62. Anthony "Anthony Delvecchio" Delvescovo - Defendant
63. Sarah Dauria - Defendant
64. Louis Mosca - Defendant
65. Michael King - Defendant
66. Joseph Agate - Defendant
67. Joseph "Joe Rackets" Casiere - Defendant
68. Vincent Donnis - Defendant
69. Cody Ferrell - Defendant
70. Russel "One Eye" Ferrisi - Defendant
71. Ronald Flam - Defendant
72. Joseph "Joe Gag" Gaggi - Defendant
73. Abid "Han" Ghani - Defendant
74. Anthony "Buckwheat" Giammarino - Defendant
75. Christopher Howard - Defendant
76. Eddie James - Defendant
77. John Kasgorgis - Defendant
78. William Kilgannon - Defendant
79. Lance Moskowitz - Defendant
80. John Pisano - Defendant
81. Todd Polakoff - Defendant
82. Giulio Pomponio - Defendant
83. John Regis - Defendant
84. Edward Sobol - Defendant
85. Frank Vassallo - Defendant
86. Tara Vega - Defendant
87. Arthur Zagari - Defendant

See this is what I mean by you downsize everything. The YACs crime group is one group. It is pretty much a crime family without the boss, underboss and consigliere. Rather they have men who are in charge of crews who all know each other and band together if need to. To say every Albanian arrested or indicted on burgarly charges would be called a member of the YACS crime group is just BS coming from you. This is why your a biased idiot.

You have got to be kidding me. A crime family with a boss, underboss, and consigliere? LOL! That is beyond stupid, even for you. YACS groups are loosely organized high-end burglary rings of Yugoslavians, Albanians, Croatians, and Serbians. They are not a single organization.
If you would have bothered to read. He said without a boss, underboss and consigliere. But this is just a typical westside reaction. He cannot read very well and is an expert at assuming. The YACS groups are banded together. Members have been proven to criss cross between crews and operate together. They have been arrested in virtually every part of the country, even as far away as California. The YACS group is almost completely made up of Albanian nationals although they have Serbian and Croatian members. They are one organization and their membership estimate is huge. One lawyer of a member of the YACs group even had to convince a judge and newspapers that the YACS group did not number 1000.
So what if it is an average indictment for the Italian crime families, what the fu-- does that have to do with anything? I simply referred to it because they were mostly Albanians and you said there has been no indictments on Albanians. And now you come on here and downsize the shit I give you because you asked for it. Like wow, and I am here trying to discuss organized crime with you. Besides the Gambino bust, name another 22 member indictment of the Italians or shut the fu-- up and dont repeat it again.

I only bring it up because you have no perspective. You think the 22 defendant indictment of the Rudaj gang was big. Yes, it was. But it was relatively rare. The evidence you have been able to provide, such as it is, does not support your view of the presence of Albanian organized crime in the U.S.

March 2000 - 19 people tied to the Gambino and Colombo families were indicted on charges of stocks/securities fraud.

In June 2000 - 120 people tied to all five New York families were indicted on multiple charges of stocks/securities fraud.

September 2000 - 38 people connected to the Gambino and Lucchese families were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, bid-rigging, and bribery related to the control of the Laborers, Carpenters, and Bricklayers Unions in the construction industry.

In April 2001 - 45 members and associates of all five New York families were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, exortion, drug trafficking, mail and wire fraud, stocks/securities fraud, money laundering, and labor bribery.

September 2001 - 24 Genovese members and associates indicted on charges related to multimillion stolen auto parts ring.

December 2001 - 73 people, including 34 Genovese members and associates, were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, labor racketeering, union fund embezzlement, stocks/securities fraud, trafficking in stolen goods, counterfeiting, and attempted bank fraud.

February 2002 - 26 people involved with the Genovese and Gambino families were indicted on labor racketeering and extortion charges related to their control of the International Union of Elevator Workers.

February 2002 - 20 Colombo members and associates were indicted on charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, and murder.

March 2002 - 15 Bonanno members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, drug trafficking, and murder.

June 2002 - 17 Gambino members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, money laundering, and labor racketeering in the International Longshoresmen Union on the New York waterfront.

June 2003 - Over 20 Colombo members and associates were indicted on charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, and witness tampering.

November 2002 - over 20 members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, and fraud.

December 2002 - 17 Gambino members and associates were indicted for running a multimillion dollar gambling operation in Queens.

December 2002 - 27 members and associates of the Lucchese and Bonanno families were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, and drug trafficking.

February 2003 - 42 members and associates of the Genovese and Colombo familes were involved in two separate indictments related to charges of labor racketeering through control of the International Union of Operating Engineers.

June 2003 - 19 Genovese members and associates were indicted on illegal gambling, loansharking, drug trafficking, and theft charges.

January 2004 - 18 Bonanno members and associates were indicted on charges of racketeering, loansharking, and extortion.

April 2004 - 22 Genovese members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, extortion, and fraud involving the family’s control of the Carpenters and Plasterers Unions in New York’s drywall industry.

December 2004 - 40 members and associates of four New York families were indicted for running a large scale illegal gambling operation through offshore locations.

February 2005 - 23 Bonanno members and associates were indicted on illegal gambling and theft charges.

March 2005 - 32 Gambino members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, embezzlement of union funds, trafficking in stolen property, and extortion of construction companies, trucking companies, restaurants and nightclubs.

April 2005 - 17 members and associates of the Genovese and Bonanno families were charged for controlling a large scale illegal gambling operation in Queens.

July 2005 - 20 Genovese members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, extortion, loansharking, and labor racketeering involving the family’s control of the Amalgamated Transit Union.

August 2005 - 15 Genovese members and associates were indicted on illegal gambling, loansharking, and extortion charges related to the family’s operations in New Jersey.

February 2006 - 32 Genovese members and associates were indicted on charges of racketeering, extortion, money laundering, narcotics trafficking, illegal gambling and control of the Bakery, Confectionary, and Tobacco Worker’s Union, as well as charges of assault and intimidation related to the family's garbage hauling operations in Mount Vernon.

June 2006 - 29 people tied to the Genovese Family were indicted on charges of racketeering, tax and consumer fraud, and corruption related to the family’s control of the waste hauling industry in Connecticut.

February 2007 - 19 Bonanno members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, extortion, loansharking, stocks/securities fraud, and drug trafficking.

April 2007 - 27 people were arrested in Arizona for running a large scale illegal gambling operation with ties to the Gambino and Colombo families.

December 2007 - 32 Lucchese members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, money laundering, as well as smuggling drugs and cell phones into prison in conjunction with the Bloods street gang.

February 2008 - 87 Gambino members and associates were involved in a two separate indictments involving multiple charges of racketeering, drug trafficking, stocks/securities fraud, loansharking, illegal gambling, theft of union benefits, bribery, robbery, prostitution, murder, and extortion in the construction and trucking industries.

March 2008 - 45 people tied to the Genovese family were arrested on charges of running a large scale illegal gambling operation and drug trafficking.

May 2008 - 23 members and associates of the Gambino and Lucchese families were named in a superceding indictment that followed another one from the previous May, involving multiple charges of illegal gambling, extortion, bank fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, stolen goods, labor racketeering, and money laundering.
I simply envision them on the level that they are on. It doesnt matter who Zef Mustafa worked for. He was 100% Albanian blooded. Making him a product of ''Albanian organized crime". He worked for Frank because Frank was pretty much his father. And Frank's son was Mustafa's best man at his wedding. But this has nothing to do with Zef Mustafa being richer then 80% of made guys. He made $20 million dollars just in the mob porn business. Zef Mustafa had allegedly murdered a man named Frank Politti in the early '80s, and then dismembered his body. He'd allegedly killed another man named Gino Masha, as well as the two sons of Anthony Porcelli. Despite his acquittal at trial, the bureau claimed he had in fact killed Joseph Mincione, the man Mustafa had been accused of beating to death with a bat in 1986. Other alleged murders were listed, as well as allegations that he trafficked in heroin and conducted loan-sharking. His explanation for the fraud was that he needed the passport in order to make a trip to London. He wanted to "open a business out there," he said.

Zef Musta made $20 million simply on porn, not to mention he worked in Heroin and created a pipeline from Europe down to Canada then to the United States through the Albanian communities there. He also executed serveral fraud schemes in Europe. He probably did the same thing he did in America, in Europe. Knowing that Europe would be more ignorant towards these schemes then America would be.

"Between 1992 and 1993, Mustafa was seen in the city of Pocradec where authorities say he was involved in an investment scam which reportedly took in millions before he left. He has been known to travel throughout Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Brussels and Paris before returning to New York. It is believed he controls and/or oversees a significant portion of the drug trade that emanates from Europe, including Italy, to Canada, and eventually to Detroit, Boston, and Chicago, areas where there are concentrated Albanian communities."
See, Peter Moses, `Albanian Mafia: Brutal....to put it Mildly', The New York Post [vol. 191 #48 1992]

This is how I know Zef Mustafa is richer then 80% of made guys. And the 80% figure is being generous I mean come on, there are 750 made members in New York's five families. Name me 150 made mobsters who have a career in crime as established and lucrative as Mustafas. Hell, name even 70. Exactly....
You have 1,023 members and associates of the La Cosa Nostra families there, about 70% of every one indicted there was an associate or simply has ties to the LCN families. I do not know why you put that up there but whatever floats your boat.
Mustafa is a product of Italian organized crime. He may be Albanian, but he has always worked for the LCN. He made his millions working for the Gambino Family. He is a high-level associate who has benefited from being with the Locascio crew, who have always been big earners. You make it sound like he is a self-made independent when that isn't the case at all. But leave it to you to magnify one guy (because he is Albanian) over an entire crime family that he works for. Mustafa isn't your average Albanian criminal.
Mustafa is an Albanian man. He is a product of Albanian organized crime. Just like Colotti worked for Rudaj but he was a product of Italian organized crime because he is Italian. So do you have 150 made guys to list as richer then Zef Mustafa or not? Simply put... yes or no? Otherwise I too am tempted to say Zef Mustafa was richer then most made guys in New York City.
And last but not least, it is drug trafficking that has gained Albanians the most noriety in crime in America.

Various crimes have gained the Albanians notoriety in the U.S. Drug trafficking being one of them. They are not as big of narcotics dealers as you think.
Well I mean they are not bringing in 8 tonnes of heroin a day like the LCN but they are still pretty big... :) especially in Chicago, Detroit and New York City and Philadelphia.

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