HOW MANY REAL ORGANIZED GROUPS ARE THERE??

American organized crime groups included traditional groups such as La Cosa Nostra & the Italian Mafia to modern groups such as Black Mafia Family. Discuss the most organized criminal groups in the United States including gangs in Canada.
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HOW MANY REAL ORGANIZED GROUPS ARE THERE??

Unread post by mayugastank » December 17th, 2008, 2:36 pm

IN ALL ACTUALITY NOT MANY AT ALL ! THEIR ARE THE ITALIAN MAFIA ,MEXICAN-AMERICAN MAFIA(Eme), NUESTRA FAMILIA, ARYAN BROTHERHOOD, AND THATS ABOUT IT! ALL THE OTHER ALBANIAN -ARMENIAN, EUROASIAN AND WHAT NOT ARE JUST GROUPS OF LOOSE ASSOCIATES PINNED WITH MEMBERSHIP IN A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION. THERE IS NO REAL ORGANIZATION AS IN THE ITALIAN MAFIA OR THE EME. THESE GROUPS HAVE ACTUAL LEADERS, AND FORMAL PROCEDURES FOR MEMBERSHIP AND INDUCTMENT. EVEN THE COLUMBIAN CARTELS AND MEXICAN CARTELS ARENT OFFICIALLY ORGANIZATIONS WITH MEMBERSHIP STRUCTURES. JUST BANDS OF LOOSELY COORDINATED INDIVIDUALS WORKING TOGETHER. THEIR IS NO OFFICIAL WAY OF BECOMING A MEMBER OF A CARTEL-SUCH AS THE VOTE IN ALLOWED IN AB,MM,NF AND COSA NOSTRA.

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Unread post by AlbaniaUnited » December 17th, 2008, 4:13 pm

Who cares?

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Unread post by AlbaniaUnited » December 17th, 2008, 4:18 pm

Albanian criminals don't need leaders because they cant handle being told what to do. Most Albanian American criminal gangs are formed on family and friends from the same region as they are back home. The leader is usually the one who controls the most activities in the group. Its more efficient this way... the Italians rat on each other left and right and so do the Mexicans because of this leadership and non blood structure they have. Look at the Rudaj gang. Most of the members came from the Shkodra - Koja e Kucit area of Albania and Montenegro. Not to mention seven members were related to Rudaj by blood. When they all faced long term prison sentences. None of them ratted.

What do you know about REAL organized crime groups and fake ones? You don't need a hierarchical structure to be called organized crime.

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AlbaniaUnited wrote:Albanian criminals don't need leaders because they cant handle being told what to do. Most Albanian American criminal gangs are formed on family and friends from the same region as they are back home. The leader is usually the one who controls the most activities in the group. Its more efficient this way... the Italians rat on each other left and right and so do the Mexicans because of this leadership and non blood structure they have. Look at the Rudaj gang. Most of the members came from the Shkodra - Koja e Kucit area of Albania and Montenegro. Not to mention seven members were related to Rudaj by blood. When they all faced long term prison sentences. None of them ratted.

What do you know about REAL organized crime groups and fake ones? You don't need a hierarchical structure to be called organized crime.
YES YOU DO NEED A HIERACHICAL STRUCTURE TO BE CONSIDERED AN ORGANIZED CRIME GROUP. THE RUDAJ GANG YOU JUST MENTIONED ARE A FEW INDIVIDUALS CONSPIRING TO WORK TOGETHER TO COMMITT CRIME -THEIR IS NO STRUCTURE-NO MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENT BY BLOOD OATH . ONCE THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE LOCKED UP THEIR "GANG" CEASED TO FUNCTION. IN ONE HUNDRED YEARS THE RUDAJ GANG WILL NOT BE REMEBERED. GROUPS LIKE COSA NOSTRA -THE EME, NUESTRA FAMILIA, HAVE BEEN AROUND FOREVER, AND FOR EVERY MEMBER LOCKED UP A NEW ONE REPLACES HIM. ALTHOUGH CERTAIN ALBANIAN INDIVIDUALS OR COLOMBIAN CARTEL MEMBERS WERE ORGANIZED -THEIR LACK OF A BLOOD OATH -MADE THEM THE FOCUS OF THE CRIMINAL ACTS . PEOPLE FOLLOWED THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE CHARISMACTIC-INTELLIGENT ,MURDEROUS OR WHATEVER----WHEN THEY DIED OR WENT TO PRISON SO DID THEIR ORGANIZATIONS. THEIR IS NO ONE PERSON IN THE ABOVE MENTIONED GROUPS WHOSE DEATH OR IMPRISONMENT WILL EVER DESTROY THE ORGANIZATION. THAT IS AN ORGANIZED CRIME GROUP. TEH ALBANIANS YOU MENTIONED WERE ORGANIZED CRIMINALS. THE CRITERIA FOR MEMBERSHIP IN THOSE GROUPS IS ONE " BLOOD OATH" AS IN TILL DEATH . OR BY KILLING SOMEONE TO ENTER. THE ITALIAN MAFIA HAS BEEN AROUND FOR 500 YRS OR SO AND IN AMERICA UP UNTIL 1968 -NO ONE HAD EVER PUBLICLY DIVULGED ITS EXISTENCE. FROM 1968 TO 1983 -THEIR WERE ONLY 2 MADE MEMBERS TO EVER TURN OR RAT ON THE ORGANIZATION. THESE ORGANIZED CRIME GROUPS HAVE SET RULES THAT GO BEYOND ONES CHARISMA-YOU BREAK THEM YOU DIE -ALBANIANS -RUSSIANS -JAPENESE TRIADS WHILE VERY ORGANIZED -DONT HAVE THE SET RULES AND STRUCTURE TO CONTINUE REPLICATE OR ADAPT TO CHANGES IN LAW ENFORCEMENT OR THE DEATH OF A BRILLIANT LEADER. NOT EVEN THE CARTELS HAVE SUCH --WITH THE DEATH OF PABLO ESCOBAR- TEH ESCOBAR CARTEL WAS SPLIT UP INTO SMALLER DRUG OUTFITS-----THIS MAN CONTROLLED THE ENTIRE DRUG OPERATION OF THE WORLD AND WAS THE RICHEST CRIMINAL THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN. ANYWAYS HOPE I MADE MY POINT

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Unread post by AlbaniaUnited » December 18th, 2008, 9:54 am

It still doesnt change the fact that Albanians, Russian and Japanese gangsters are still organized crime. Even if they dont have a hierarchy or blood oaths. Japanese gangster do actually. Some Russians do as well but not Albanians. It seems silly to us, childish. I mean why do it? Your in it to make money, not to play mafia boss. Get that money and period. Nothing else except honor and loyalty should matter.

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Unread post by Dudeman277 » December 18th, 2008, 2:22 pm

Some Russians do as well but not Albanians. It seems silly to us, childish. I mean why do it?
Ohh, so I assume you're in the Albanian mafia and know all about it, right?

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AlbaniaUnited wrote:It still doesnt change the fact that Albanians, Russian and Japanese gangsters are still organized crime. Even if they dont have a hierarchy or blood oaths. Japanese gangster do actually. Some Russians do as well but not Albanians. It seems silly to us, childish. I mean why do it? Your in it to make money, not to play mafia boss. Get that money and period. Nothing else except honor and loyalty should matter.

RUSSIANS DONT HAVE AN ORGANIZED CRIME GROUP -BOND TO FOR LIFE BY BLOOD. FROM MY INVESTIGATING IT, A RUSSIAN MAFIOSO CAN TRANSFER ALLEGIANCE FROM ONE SUB GROUP TO THE NEXT -IVE ALSO READ THAT THE ACTUAL MAJORITY OF ORGANIZED RUSSIAN CRIMINAL GANGS ARENT EVEN RUSSIAN-THE ARE YUGOSLAVIANS-CHECHEN ISLAMISTS, JAPENESE MINORITIES IN FORMER SOVIET STATES AND RUSSIAN JEWS ,BOSNIANS ETC.......AS FOR JAPENESE GANGSTERS --THEY DEFINETLY DO NOT HAVE A BLOOD OATH -ALTHOUGH HOLLYWOOD HAS SAID DIFFERENT WITH A MOVIE SHOWING THE REMOVING OF A PINKY TO SHOW LOYALTY TO A YAKUZA. OUT OF ALL THE WORLDS PRODCTIVE NATIONS JAPAN HAS THE LOWEST CRIME AND MURDER RATE -IN FACT SO LOW THAT A SIMPLE MURDER MAKES NATIONAL NEWS IN JAPAN. THE ORGANIZED CRIMINALS THEIR ARE BASICALLY FRIENDS WHO CONSPIRE TO COMMITT CYBER CRIME. THATS NOT AN ORGANIZED CRIME GROUP. YOU STATED ABOVE THAT GETTING MONEY -SHOWING LOYALTY , AND HONOR SHOULD BE ALL THAT MATTERS. UNFORTUNATELY, USUALLY, GETTING THE MONEY TRUMPS LOYALTY AND HONOR!!! ALTHOUGH A MAY SEEM CHILDISH TO HAVE BLOOD OATHS --THOSE ALLEGIANCES AND BELIEFS IS WHAT HAS KEPT THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THRIVING. NO ONE EVER WILL COMPARE TO THE ORGANIZATION AND POWER OF THE ITALIAN COSA NOSTRA. WE HAVE YET TO SEE WHAT THE EME OR NF TRANSFORMS INTO BUT FOR NOW THE INFIGHTING IN THE EME HAS SERIOUSLY LIMITED ITS ABILITY TO BE A POTENTIAL FORCE. IN FACT THE SMALLER AND YOUNGER , NUESTRA FAMILIA IS BETTER ORGANIZED , FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT THEY DO CONTAIN THE HEIRACHICAL PYRAMID CRIMINAL STRUCTURE OF THE COSA NOSTRA.

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Unread post by mayugastank » December 18th, 2008, 5:46 pm

Dudeman277 wrote:
Some Russians do as well but not Albanians. It seems silly to us, childish. I mean why do it?
Ohh, so I assume you're in the Albanian mafia and know all about it, right?

ONE MORE THING.................YOU SAID "It seems silly to us, childish[/b][/size]. I mean why do it? [/quote]..............................

THE REASON FOR DOING THE BLOOD OATH AND HAVING THE HEIRACHICAL STRUCTURE IS TO HAVE THE CONTINUING FAMILIAL STRUCTURE THAT MAKES THESE ORGANIZATIONS SO POWERFUL . IN LIFE OF AN EMERO .........THE AUTHOR TELLS THE STORY OF HOW BOXER ENRIQUEZ A SNITCH WHO HAD TESTIFIED AGAINST THE ORGANIZATION WAS HOUSED IN A COUNTY JAIL AWAITING TRIAL TO TESTIFY AGAINST A COLLEGUE, ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE EME WAS ALSO HOUSED IN THE JAIL AND GAVE AN ORDER TO A SURENO GANG BANGER TO KILL BOXER. THE ONE WHO ISSUED THE ORDER HAD NEVER MET THE OTHER MEMBER OF THE EME THAT WAS FACING TRIAL BY BOXERS TESTIMONY, ALL HE KNEW WAS THAT HE WAS GIVEN AN ORDER FROM HIGH UP THAT A " BROTHER" WAS BEING SNITCHED ON AND THAT THE RAT HAD TO BE KILLED TO PRESERVE THE FEAR OF THE EME. A GANG LIKE THE RUDAJ YOU MENTIONED COULD PROBABLY NEVER GET THIS DONE. ALL MEXICANS AND ALL ALBANIANS DONT AUTOMATICALLY KILL A SNITCH FOR SNITCHING ON A PERSON FROM THE RUDAJ OR EME. IN FACT BEFORE THE EMES APPEARANCE IN MEXICOS DRUG WARS KILLING SNITCHES WASNT COMMONPLACE, IT WASNT UNTIL TEH FORMAL STRUCTURE OF THE COSA NOSTRA WAS COPIED BY THE CARTELS (PABLO ESCOBAR) THAT ELIMINATING RATS STARTED TO HAPPEN . TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ..................THATS WHY ITS DONE!

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Unread post by Richboy17 » December 18th, 2008, 10:33 pm

Triads, Yakuza, the Red Mafia are all organized crime, you cant even say that they arent and they all have some kind of structure same with the Albanians. The Rudaj group is considered more traditional organized crime than La Eme. La Eme is organized and is involved in organized crime but they are different than the Red Mafia, Yakuza, or Triads. Does La Eme control a huge portion of wholesale drug trade in the US no, they somewhat work with the Mexican Cartels but thats all. They dont have stocks or shares or control buisnesses. And if they were truly a powerful organization all there members wouldnt be in prison right now. La Eme is still dangerous no doubt but they dont have political power or involved in white collar crimes like true organized crime groups.

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mayugastank wrote:IN ALL ACTUALITY NOT MANY AT ALL ! THEIR ARE THE ITALIAN MAFIA ,MEXICAN-AMERICAN MAFIA(Eme), NUESTRA FAMILIA, ARYAN BROTHERHOOD, AND THATS ABOUT IT! ALL THE OTHER ALBANIAN -ARMENIAN, EUROASIAN AND WHAT NOT ARE JUST GROUPS OF LOOSE ASSOCIATES PINNED WITH MEMBERSHIP IN A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION. THERE IS NO REAL ORGANIZATION AS IN THE ITALIAN MAFIA OR THE EME. THESE GROUPS HAVE ACTUAL LEADERS, AND FORMAL PROCEDURES FOR MEMBERSHIP AND INDUCTMENT. EVEN THE COLUMBIAN CARTELS AND MEXICAN CARTELS ARENT OFFICIALLY ORGANIZATIONS WITH MEMBERSHIP STRUCTURES. JUST BANDS OF LOOSELY COORDINATED INDIVIDUALS WORKING TOGETHER. THEIR IS NO OFFICIAL WAY OF BECOMING A MEMBER OF A CARTEL-SUCH AS THE VOTE IN ALLOWED IN AB,MM,NF AND COSA NOSTRA.
This is the stupidiest shit i ever heard those are prison GANGS you mentioned sure there dangerous and ruthless but truely organized crime besides Cosa Nostra.

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RUSSIANS DONT HAVE AN ORGANIZED CRIME GROUP -BOND TO FOR LIFE BY BLOOD. FROM MY INVESTIGATING IT, A RUSSIAN MAFIOSO CAN TRANSFER ALLEGIANCE FROM ONE SUB GROUP TO THE NEXT -IVE ALSO READ THAT THE ACTUAL MAJORITY OF ORGANIZED RUSSIAN CRIMINAL GANGS ARENT EVEN RUSSIAN-THE ARE YUGOSLAVIANS-CHECHEN ISLAMISTS, JAPENESE MINORITIES IN FORMER SOVIET STATES AND RUSSIAN JEWS ,BOSNIANS ETC
LOL. Well, you are right about the loyalty thing.
Yogoslavians-Chechens??? wtf is that LOL.. In Russia there is more than 8000 mafia groups.. I dont think that 1 of them is Yugoslavian. Bosnians LOL.. you dont know what you're talkin about. You have a point on the Chechens, there are many Chechen groups indeed.
Japanese minoreties??? wtf is that? You mean Siberian native peoples? they are barely involved in crime as Chechens, Dagestanis, Azer's, Georgians or Russians.

Stay with LCN.. it is what you know best.

So what are you trying to say in general?? that LCN and them others you said are the "REAL" organized crime groups.. and Russians, Albanians, Armenians, Chechens etc.. are just fake?? XDDDDDDDD
You need to read a little. BECAUSE of this kinda of loose organization is what makes Russians, Armenians, Chechens and other nation groups from the SNG (maybe Albanians to I dont know) so hard to bring down.. while an italian godfather and his son was caught 2 years back.

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Unread post by mayugastank » December 19th, 2008, 4:44 am

VostokSila wrote:
RUSSIANS DONT HAVE AN ORGANIZED CRIME GROUP -BOND TO FOR LIFE BY BLOOD. FROM MY INVESTIGATING IT, A RUSSIAN MAFIOSO CAN TRANSFER ALLEGIANCE FROM ONE SUB GROUP TO THE NEXT -IVE ALSO READ THAT THE ACTUAL MAJORITY OF ORGANIZED RUSSIAN CRIMINAL GANGS ARENT EVEN RUSSIAN-THE ARE YUGOSLAVIANS-CHECHEN ISLAMISTS, JAPENESE MINORITIES IN FORMER SOVIET STATES AND RUSSIAN JEWS ,BOSNIANS ETC
LOL. Well, you are right about the loyalty thing.
Yogoslavians-Chechens??? wtf is that LOL.. In Russia there is more than 8000 mafia groups.. I dont think that 1 of them is Yugoslavian. Bosnians LOL.. you dont know what you're talkin about. You have a point on the Chechens, there are many Chechen groups indeed.
Japanese minoreties??? wtf is that? You mean Siberian native peoples? they are barely involved in crime as Chechens, Dagestanis, Azer's, Georgians or Russians.

Stay with LCN.. it is what you know best.

So what are you trying to say in general?? that LCN and them others you said are the "REAL" organized crime groups.. and Russians, Albanians, Armenians, Chechens etc.. are just fake?? XDDDDDDDD
You need to read a little. BECAUSE of this kinda of loose organization is what makes Russians, Armenians, Chechens and other nation groups from the SNG (maybe Albanians to I dont know) so hard to bring down.. while an italian godfather and his son was caught 2 years back.

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RUSSIANS DONT HAVE AN ORGANIZED CRIME GROUP -BOND TO FOR LIFE BY BLOOD. FROM MY INVESTIGATING IT, A RUSSIAN MAFIOSO CAN TRANSFER ALLEGIANCE FROM ONE SUB GROUP TO THE NEXT -IVE ALSO READ THAT THE ACTUAL MAJORITY OF ORGANIZED RUSSIAN CRIMINAL GANGS ARENT EVEN RUSSIAN-THE ARE YUGOSLAVIANS-CHECHEN ISLAMISTS, JAPENESE MINORITIES IN FORMER SOVIET STATES AND RUSSIAN JEWS ,BOSNIANS ETC
LOL. Well, you are right about the loyalty thing.
Yogoslavians-Chechens??? wtf is that LOL.. In Russia there is more than 8000 mafia groups.. I dont think that 1 of them is Yugoslavian. Bosnians LOL.. you dont know what you're talkin about. You have a point on the Chechens, there are many Chechen groups indeed.
Japanese minoreties??? wtf is that? You mean Siberian native peoples? they are barely involved in crime as Chechens, Dagestanis, Azer's, Georgians or Russians.

Stay with LCN.. it is what you know best.

So what are you trying to say in general?? that LCN and them others you said are the "REAL" organized crime groups.. and Russians, Albanians, Armenians, Chechens etc.. are just fake?? XDDDDDDDD





You need to read a little. BECAUSE of this kinda of loose organization is what makes Russians, Armenians, Chechens and other nation groups from the SNG (maybe Albanians to I dont know) so hard to bring down.. while an italian godfather and his son was caught 2 years back.

YES I AM SAYING THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LONG ESTABLISHED CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS WITH A HISTORY AND A STRUCTURE. YOU NAME A FEW INDIVIDUALS CONSPIRING TOGETHER TO COMMIT CRIME--DO ANY OF THEM HAVE A CAPABILITY TO MURDER A WITNESS IN AMERICA?? OR A SELF REPLICATING ORGANIZATION THAT CONTINUES TO FLOURISH ONCE A LEADER IS REMOVED? YOU CANT COMPARE THE SOPHISTICATION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT IN USA WITH BACKWARDS LAW ENFORCEMENT IN MEXICO -COLUMBIA -RUSSIA OR JAPAN!!! THEIR IS NO RED MAFIA--JUST EX SOVIET GENERALS WITH ACCESS TO MILITARY WEAPONS OR CORRUPT LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO DIRECTLY WORK WITH THE GOVERMENT. KINGPINS ARE REPLACED ON A MONTHLY BASIS IN COLUMBIA , ALL THAT HAPPENS IS A SHOOTING WAR AND A LESS SOPHISTICATED CRIMINALS TAKING OVER . JAPENESE MAFIA ?? WHAT A JOKE ---ONCE AGAIN JUST CORRUPT GOVERMENT WORKERS BYPASSSING PROSTITUTION LAWS AND GREASING TEH POLITICIANS --EVEN IN COLUMBIA ITS THE SAME -AND YOU CANT COMPARE TEH MUTI -BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY OF COCAINE SMUGGLING TO SHIT ELSE ON TEH PLANET . BEFORE PABLO ESCOBAR NOBODY IN COLUMBIA HAD EVER THOUGHT ABOUT STRIKING BACK AT LAW ENFORCEMENT OR KILLING SNITCHES...........HE GOT THE IDEA BY READING THE HISTORY OF THE ITALIAN COSA NOSTRA AND AL CAPONE, HE WAS SO INFATUATED BY HIM HE EVEN BOUGHT THE CAR HE ONCE OWNED!! HEIRACHICAL STRUCTURES AND TRADITION IS WHAT KEPT THE ITALIANS AT THE PINNACLE OF CRIME FOR A 100 YEARS . CONSIDER THAT SICILY IS AN ISLAND WITH VERY FEW PEOPLE COMPARED TO MOTHER RUSSIA , AND THE AMOUNT OF CLEARITY TEHY BROUGHT TO THE WORLD OF ORGANIZED CRIME

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Unread post by VostokSila » December 19th, 2008, 5:39 am

If it makes you feel better.. the LCN and others you mentioned are cooler than Russian/Albanian/Anyother crime group.

lol You dont know enough to say these things of any criminal group. lol you heard of Vori v Zakone? here is heirarchy for you..
Also, the Izmailovskaya group is said to have an army style heirarchy.

No, its not just government people, in the 90's, street thugs and gangsters ruled russia.. some of them are now in high places and lead big groups around Russia and some even international.

The big difference is that Russians (All soviet nation criminal groups) are all about money and power, they dont care of anything else. They will do anything to get what they want (most).

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Unread post by Richboy17 » December 19th, 2008, 6:10 am

mayugastank wrote:
VostokSila wrote:
RUSSIANS DONT HAVE AN ORGANIZED CRIME GROUP -BOND TO FOR LIFE BY BLOOD. FROM MY INVESTIGATING IT, A RUSSIAN MAFIOSO CAN TRANSFER ALLEGIANCE FROM ONE SUB GROUP TO THE NEXT -IVE ALSO READ THAT THE ACTUAL MAJORITY OF ORGANIZED RUSSIAN CRIMINAL GANGS ARENT EVEN RUSSIAN-THE ARE YUGOSLAVIANS-CHECHEN ISLAMISTS, JAPENESE MINORITIES IN FORMER SOVIET STATES AND RUSSIAN JEWS ,BOSNIANS ETC
LOL. Well, you are right about the loyalty thing.
Yogoslavians-Chechens??? wtf is that LOL.. In Russia there is more than 8000 mafia groups.. I dont think that 1 of them is Yugoslavian. Bosnians LOL.. you dont know what you're talkin about. You have a point on the Chechens, there are many Chechen groups indeed.
Japanese minoreties??? wtf is that? You mean Siberian native peoples? they are barely involved in crime as Chechens, Dagestanis, Azer's, Georgians or Russians.

Stay with LCN.. it is what you know best.

So what are you trying to say in general?? that LCN and them others you said are the "REAL" organized crime groups.. and Russians, Albanians, Armenians, Chechens etc.. are just fake?? XDDDDDDDD





You need to read a little. BECAUSE of this kinda of loose organization is what makes Russians, Armenians, Chechens and other nation groups from the SNG (maybe Albanians to I dont know) so hard to bring down.. while an italian godfather and his son was caught 2 years back.

YES I AM SAYING THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LONG ESTABLISHED CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS WITH A HISTORY AND A STRUCTURE. YOU NAME A FEW INDIVIDUALS CONSPIRING TOGETHER TO COMMIT CRIME--DO ANY OF THEM HAVE A CAPABILITY TO MURDER A WITNESS IN AMERICA?? OR A SELF REPLICATING ORGANIZATION THAT CONTINUES TO FLOURISH ONCE A LEADER IS REMOVED? YOU CANT COMPARE THE SOPHISTICATION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT IN USA WITH BACKWARDS LAW ENFORCEMENT IN MEXICO -COLUMBIA -RUSSIA OR JAPAN!!! THEIR IS NO RED MAFIA--JUST EX SOVIET GENERALS WITH ACCESS TO MILITARY WEAPONS OR CORRUPT LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO DIRECTLY WORK WITH THE GOVERMENT. KINGPINS ARE REPLACED ON A MONTHLY BASIS IN COLUMBIA , ALL THAT HAPPENS IS A SHOOTING WAR AND A LESS SOPHISTICATED CRIMINALS TAKING OVER . JAPENESE MAFIA ?? WHAT A JOKE ---ONCE AGAIN JUST CORRUPT GOVERMENT WORKERS BYPASSSING PROSTITUTION LAWS AND GREASING TEH POLITICIANS --EVEN IN COLUMBIA ITS THE SAME -AND YOU CANT COMPARE TEH MUTI -BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY OF COCAINE SMUGGLING TO SHIT ELSE ON TEH PLANET . BEFORE PABLO ESCOBAR NOBODY IN COLUMBIA HAD EVER THOUGHT ABOUT STRIKING BACK AT LAW ENFORCEMENT OR KILLING SNITCHES...........HE GOT THE IDEA BY READING THE HISTORY OF THE ITALIAN COSA NOSTRA AND AL CAPONE, HE WAS SO INFATUATED BY HIM HE EVEN BOUGHT THE CAR HE ONCE OWNED!! HEIRACHICAL STRUCTURES AND TRADITION IS WHAT KEPT THE ITALIANS AT THE PINNACLE OF CRIME FOR A 100 YEARS . CONSIDER THAT SICILY IS AN ISLAND WITH VERY FEW PEOPLE COMPARED TO MOTHER RUSSIA , AND THE AMOUNT OF CLEARITY TEHY BROUGHT TO THE WORLD OF ORGANIZED CRIME

Your fuckin retarded and saying kingpins are replaced on a montly basis its the same with LCN bosses. THey get replaced every couple of years dumbass. Italians did create traditional organized crime but now they are getting replaced by the japs, chinese, russians, and albanians. There not finished but there is alot of competition going on. You cannot compare LA Eme, Nuestra Familia, or the Aryan Brotherhood to the RUssians, japs, chinese, or albanians. These organizations started from nothing like those gangbangers and now they own police, politicians, and big buisnesses.

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Unread post by Faciulina » December 19th, 2008, 12:58 pm

Italians did create traditional organized crime but now they are getting replaced by the japs, chinese, russians, and albanians
ahahahahahahahahah your head is going to be replaced by louses LOOOOOL nobody can take over italian mafia moron russians and albanians are not real mafias they are jokes compared to italian mafia i bet in 10 years they won't exist anymore and they would be just loser street gangs LOOOOOL triads and yakuza are real mafia but they are really nothing compared to the original, real italian mafia ahahahahahaha japs take over italians that's the most stupid thing i've ever seen the yakuza is nothing in the world is limited only in japan and it's going to dye even there triads were kicked off by communist party they lose power even in hong kong you moron you do not know shit NDRANGHETA is the number one today it's the only mafia who is really growing up togheter with mexican cartels, all the others are down now stop dreaming russians can't take over even chechens in moscow ahahahahahaha albanians can't take over romanians :D :D :D

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Unread post by VostokSila » December 19th, 2008, 1:14 pm

dreaming russians can't take over even chechens in moscow ahahahahahaha albanians can't take over romanians
And Italians can't take over Albanians.. :D :D :D

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Unread post by Faciulina » December 19th, 2008, 8:46 pm

And Italians can't take over Albanians
ahahahahahahahah moron albanians gangs (if there are left) in italy are only in north italy where even a 10 years old calabrian could be a mini-mafia boss LOOOOOOL chechens are in moscow and all russian mafia homelands :D :D :D
So basically a drug kingpin was arrested and brought to court. He ordered contracts on his prosecutor, a DEA agent and Giuliani himself. Giuliani said it was the most serious threat on him ever
ahahahahahahaha so giuliani was scared of albanian gangs who really killed nobody? LOOOOOOOOL shut up your mouth girl albanians never killed nobody who could be scared of them? why giuliani should be scared of chickenthieves? please be serious only cosa nostra could really kill giuliani not others :D :D :D
If you read anything about Albanian lifestyle and customs, you'll know that the Kanun
yeah the kanun LOOOOOOL italian mafia needn't written code it has an orla one why write code? in south italy everybody respect oral codes only a moron could be write a code to respect only a state the italian state or another state ahahahahaha the kanun look like laws of a state and i shit on goverment and states i shit on italian state moron :D :D :D

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Unread post by Azure9920 » December 19th, 2008, 10:48 pm

TheEastSide wrote:
If Cosa Nostra could kill Giuliani or had the balls to, why didnt they?
Probably the same reason Luciano didn't want Thomas Dewey murdered 50 years ago.

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Unread post by VostokSila » December 20th, 2008, 4:17 am

ahahahahahahahah moron albanians gangs (if there are left) in italy are only in north italy where even a 10 years old calabrian could be a mini-mafia boss LOOOOOOL chechens are in moscow and all russian mafia homelands
Albanians kill Italians in Italy, period. It is true. Italians dont kill Albanians in Kosova or Albania.
the Chechen groups in Moscow pay bigger groups to operate there. Some dont pay, but you must keep in mind that there are Russians in Grozny aswell, there aren't Italians operating in Albania like Russians in Grozny.
In Russia there are over 100 different nations, in Italy how many?? its more logical for non-russian groups to work in Russia than for non-italian groups to work in italy.
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Unread post by Faciulina » December 20th, 2008, 9:08 am

Albanians kill Italians in Italy, period. It is true. Italians dont kill Albanians in Kosova or Albania.
the Chechen groups in Moscow pay bigger groups to operate there. Some dont pay, but you must keep in mind that there are Russians in Grozny aswell, there aren't Italians operating in Albania like Russians in Grozny.
In Russia there are over 100 different nations, in Italy how many?? its more logical for non-russian groups to work in Russia than for non-italian groups to work in italy.
Bitch.
ahahahahahaha albanians never killed italians moron show me an article or shut up your mouth bitch i showed you the italian mafia kill albanian mobsters like dogs
the chechens pay nothing they go and do LOOOOL they are the strongest group in moscow even your own goverment says it... russians in grozny? ahahahaha who the russian army? LOOOOOOOL the italian mafia operates in albania moron it operates even in colombia where it controls auc and plants of cocaine and they don't pay nothing to colombians who are 10000 times more violent than albanians :D :D :D
its more logical to work non-russian groups in russia? ahahahahaahah in north italy there are over 5 millions foreign immigrants so its logic there are foreign gangs moron

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Unread post by VostokSila » December 20th, 2008, 10:09 am

ahahahahahaha albanians never killed italians moron show me an article or shut up your mouth bitch i showed you the italian mafia kill albanian mobsters like dogs
AlbaniaUnited showed you the article with 9 italians in 9 days or something... pulling guns on an italian mafia son or something. You are full of shit.
the chechens pay nothing they go and do LOOOOL they are the strongest group in moscow even your own goverment says it... russians in grozny? ahahahaha who the russian army?
They pay and they pay big.. not to all the groups but to the bigger ones, sure.
You, and many of others here should know that in Chechnya there were Russians before the war, during and after it. Maybe not in big numbers but there were. Russian Army killed Chechen aswell as Russian civilians. There are groups in Chechnya, not many but there are.
LOOOOOOOL the italian mafia operates in albania moron it operates even in colombia where it controls auc and plants of cocaine and they don't pay nothing to colombians who are 10000 times more violent than albanians
Sure, they dont pay the colombians, the italians control colombia and get free cocaine. You little bitch listen to yourself lol.
Colombians are more "violent"?? there is not such thing as "violent", idiot, each nation has its crazy and its pussy people.
They pay them with guns, same as Russians did.
its more logical to work non-russian groups in russia? ahahahahaahah in north italy there are over 5 millions foreign immigrants so its logic there are foreign gangs moron
The thing is that the immigrants in north italy were not present in italy for about 250-450 years, like Chechens and other national minoreties were in Russia, they came in recent periods, bitchslapping the italians out of businesses.

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Unread post by Faciulina » December 20th, 2008, 10:39 am

AlbaniaUnited showed you the article with 9 italians in 9 days or something... pulling guns on an italian mafia son or something. You are full of shit.
ahahahahaha albaniaunited is full of shit moron do you believe in what he post? LOOOOOL you can't find a single article saying albanian gangs killed italian mobsters period find me one and i would admit it if not shut up your mouth bitch i showed articles say italian mafia killed albanians never heard of the contrary
Sure, they dont pay the colombians, the italians control colombia and get free cocaine. You little bitch listen to yourself lol.
Colombians are more "violent"?? there is not such thing as "violent", idiot, each nation has its crazy and its pussy people.
the italians in colombia just go and do they don't pay shit they controls AUC through sal mancuso moron and i'm talking of colombia among the most violent contries in the world that russia is a peaceful place populated by little scared girls compared to colombia LOOOOOOL if the italian mobsters don't pay colombians in colombia do you really think they pay albanians in albania or russians in russia to operate? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
The thing is that the immigrants in north italy were not present in italy for about 250-450 years, like Chechens and other national minoreties were in Russia, they came in recent periods, bitchslapping the italians out of businesses.
ahahahahaha that's the same thing moron chechens are seen as foreign by russians so what's the difference? bitchslapping? ahahahahah the ndrangheta is BY FAR the strongest group in north italy all the others had to pay calabrians to operate, even the napolitans i doubt chechens pay russian mobsters in moscow the red mafya is not so organized to taxes other groups like italian mafia

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Unread post by VostokSila » December 20th, 2008, 10:52 am

ahahahahaha albaniaunited is full of shit moron do you believe in what he post? LOOOOOL you can't find a single article saying albanian gangs killed italian mobsters period find me one and i would admit it if not shut up your mouth bitch i showed articles say italian mafia killed albanians never heard of the contrary
So are you..
you are more full of shit than he is.
the italians in colombia just go and do they don't pay shit they controls AUC through sal mancuso moron and i'm talking of colombia among the most violent contries in the world that russia is a peaceful place populated by little scared girls compared to colombia LOOOOOOL if the italian mobsters don't pay colombians in colombia do you really think they pay albanians in albania or russians in russia to operate? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
lol.. and the BS just keeps flowing.
lol what do you know of Russia? what, you see murder rates that RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT reports about and believe it.. nice, lol they even downsize the percent of people with AIDS by 3 times, so what do you think they will do with murder rates idiot???
The murders in Russia are ATLEAST 2 times higher than they say they are, if not more.
Italians make business in Russia, yes, but not to a big extent as Russians operating in Italy. 60 groups in italy, you saw it with your eyes.
ahahahahaha that's the same thing moron chechens are seen as foreign by russians so what's the difference? bitchslapping? ahahahahah the ndrangheta is BY FAR the strongest group in north italy all the others had to pay calabrians to operate, even the napolitans i doubt chechens pay russian mobsters in moscow the red mafya is not so organized to taxes other groups like italian mafia
lol it doesn't have to be organized, just like Chechens pay stronger groups and dont pay the less stronger groups.
I dont care what you say, you got no prove Albanians pay Calabrians in north italy.
lol "even" napolitans?? who the fuck are they? there are no "violent" and "less violent" nationaleties and ethnicities, grow up fucker.

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Unread post by Faciulina » December 20th, 2008, 11:10 am

The murders in Russia are ATLEAST 2 times higher than they say they are, if not more.
Italians make business in Russia, yes, but not to a big extent as Russians operating in Italy. 60 groups in italy, you saw it with your eyes.
i don't care the average of russian murders the point is that colombia is far more violent than russia period and the italian mafia owns whole cocaine plants there and it controls paramilitary auc LOOOOOL there are not 60 russian groups in italy moron there are not 60 russian mafya groups even in the whole western europe idiot :D :D :D maybe in italy there are a few small groups formed by ukranians and armenians involved in prostitution or stuff like that although really i've never heard of any russian gang operating in italy i've heard of romanians especially, some albanians, morocans and nigerians, never heard of russians ahahahaha the italian mafia operations in russia are far bigger than russian gangs operations (if really there are) in italy LOOOOOOOL
lol it doesn't have to be organized, just like Chechens pay stronger groups and dont pay the less stronger groups.
I dont care what you say, you got no prove Albanians pay Calabrians in north italy.
lol "even" napolitans?? who the fu-- are they? there are no "violent" and "less violent" nationaleties and ethnicities, grow up fucker.
naaaaaaaaaaaah albanian pimps lords don't pay ndrangheta in milan it's impossible LOOOOOL there are at least 20.000 calabrian mobsters in north italy moron you do not know shit of italy shut up your mouth LOOOOOOOL yeah napolitans are the most violent but not the most powerful idiot and when they operate in north italy they pay the ndrangheta who litterally has north italy in its hands... this is a map of criminal influence in milan city ahahahaha green is ndrangheta red sicilian mafia yellow camorra and blue foreign gangs ahahahahaha albanian gangs have the same influence of roma gypsy and less than africans LOOOOOOOOL

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Unread post by Faciulina » December 20th, 2008, 11:55 am

There are 60 Russian groups in Italy you moron. Just because you havent heard of them you think it doesnt exist. Even though Vostok proved it buy bringing in a source. But of course, you know more just by assuming.
i think 600 groups is more accurate LOOOOOOOL if really there are 60 russian groups in italy they would be far the strongest among foreign groups LOOOOL you claimed albanians were the strongest idiot ahahahaha you contradict yourself like a real moron :D :D :D
Okay the first source was just a picture I could make myself. The website is like photobucket.com so nice try. The second one is a coffee website. So nice try again.
ahahahahahah ok now you seem a girl "nooooooooooooo it's impossible the maaaaap is faaaaake" LOOOOOOOL it's right moron it was mad by an anti-crime organization you believe it or not you do not know shit of europe or italy ndrangheta litterally owns milan
Secondly, the Albanians dont pay the Ndrangheta or anyother Italian outfit unless they help the Albanians with their business. The Albanians killed nine of you in nine days to make it clear that they dont give a fcuk about Italian spaghetti eaters.
ahahahahahaahah i know you're getting mad because ndrangheta shit on albanian gangs but you should take the facts please the albanians killed nine of you who moron? LOOOOOOL they never killed 9 men in 9 days stop saying BS retard

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Unread post by VostokSila » December 20th, 2008, 12:14 pm

i think 600 groups is more accurate LOOOOOOOL if really there are 60 russian groups in italy they would be far the strongest among foreign groups LOOOOL you claimed albanians were the strongest idiot ahahahaha you contradict yourself like a real moron
it can be possible for Albanians to be more powerful in Italy.
60 groups does not mean they cooperate. lol if Russians was in 10 or even 100 big groups instead of like over 8000 wordwide, then they would dominate the organized crime world in all fields, but.. realty is that they are not soliderate and very devided.
Stop trying to compare Italian Mafia to Russian Mafia, its not the same thing you dick licker, they are different in sooooo many ways, moron.

Colombia is more violent because of its weak leadership. If Putin would rule Colombia it would be a whole different nation lol. And the difference in murders is about 10-20 per 100,000 between Russia and Colombia.
Lol, what the fcuk was that about?
No offence man, but you did say Russians are weaker than Albanians in Moscow. You also made several other BS sayings back in the day..
ahahahahahaahah i know you're getting mad because ndrangheta shit on albanian gangs but you should take the facts please the albanians killed nine of you who moron? LOOOOOOL they never killed 9 men in 9 days stop saying BS retard
I, and I think EastSide, is getting mad because of your idiotism, not Italians.
Its not BS, that time he provided a good source, Albanians have a hard undoubted presence in Italy, you know it and you are mad because of it.

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Unread post by Faciulina » December 20th, 2008, 12:25 pm

How do I contradict myself? By saying the Russians have sixty groups? So what. That still doesnt mean I contradicted myself. The Albanians are still more powerful then the Russians in Italy. As well as every other foreign organization.
yeah you contradict yourself moron if really there are 60 russian groups they would be the strongest among foreign group LOOOOOOOOL the albanian groups are far less than 60 so if this source is right russian should be the strongest among foreign group period... the reality is that nigerians are the strongest among foreign groups in north italy

The Albanians killed nine Italians in Italy to control prostitution. According to BBC and the Italian government including the Prime minister, the Albanians did it. The Prime minister doesnt even care of the Italian mafia I kid you not. He pays the Albanians to operate in Italy I kid you not. Or else he would die. Even Bersculoni pays the Albanians I kid not you. The Albanians launder their money through him I kid not you. All his money is Albanian money I kid not you.
ahahahahahahahaha yeah do you know what happened? a gang of 10 albanian pimps lords told the calabrian bosses in milan to go away if not they would kill all the 20.000 calabrian mobsters in north itay one by one LOOOOOOOOL
See how Faciulina cant answer questions that make the Italians look like scared girls

Faciulina: If the LCN is the only one that could kill Giuliani. Why didnt they?
they didn't because some bosses opposite the plan moron junior persico wanted to kill him and the genovese not if they were all agree well giuliani would be killed... ahahahahaha if the italians are scared girls who are the albanians moron? italian mafia killed thousands of people in the states since its appearance the albanians killed nobody LOOOOOOOOL

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Unread post by Faciulina » December 20th, 2008, 12:35 pm

it can be possible for Albanians to be more powerful in Italy.
60 groups does not mean they cooperate. lol if Russians was in 10 or even 100 big groups instead of like over 8000 wordwide, then they would dominate the organized crime world in all fields, but.. realty is that they are not soliderate and very devided.
Stop trying to compare Italian Mafia to Russian Mafia, its not the same thing you dick licker, they are different in sooooo many ways, moron.
dammmmmmmn you're right i forget the russian mafyass are just baby-gangs not related eachother i committed the big mistake to compare them to italian mafia LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Colombia is more violent because of its weak leadership. If Putin would rule Colombia it would be a whole different nation lol. And the difference in murders is about 10-20 per 100,000 between Russia and Colombia.
colombia is far more violent period
and I think EastSide, is getting mad because of your idiotism, not Italians.
Its not BS, that time he provided a good source, Albanians have a hard undoubted presence in Italy, you know it and you are mad because of it.
ahahahahaha i know there are albanian gangs in italy moron i've never deny it but that source is not true the albanians never killed 9 people in 9 days period you do not know shit of italy you can't pretend to know italian facts better than me... i don't think today albanians are the strongest among foreign groups i think nigerians are more organized and they seem to be the strongest of course even romanians replaced albanians in prostitution and this fact let me starting thing romanians could be stronger too but sure the albanians are among the strongest groups so why i get mad moron? you should get mad that chechens dominate the red mafyass homeland moscow LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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Unread post by Faciulina » December 20th, 2008, 1:26 pm

The Russian mafia globally is thought to be stronger then the Italian mafia by many.
ahahahahahaha who says it moron? italians are stronger than russians everywhere europe canada us australia south america how can be the russians stronger? please take the facts moron ahahahahaha are you a red mafyass fan now? do you left the albanian-chickenthieves-gangs down? LOOOOOOL
Thats because its a different scenario in Russia then it is in Colombia. Russia doesnt have guerrila armies trying to become the new state administration. Colombia controls almost all the cocaine in the world so of course there is going to be many many killings to control that. In Russia, they dont have anything like that going on. 1993 in Russia showed us that the scenario could rise to the Colombian level if provoked. You dont know shit bitch.
ahahahahahahaah russian is a joke compared colombia or mexico idiot and its 2008 not 1993 the red mafyass is nothing today stop dreaming LOOOOOL italian mafia is far more violent than russian and albanian chickenthieves gangs only mexican cartels can match with them concerning violence LOOOOOL

We should remind ourselves that the criminal organisations such as the Camorra, the ‘Ndrangheta and Cosa Nostra, are the organisations that have killed the most people in Europe, much more than those caused by Islamic fundamentalism, which at present appears to be the daily obsession of the security of every country,

http://www.mafia-news.com/media-ignores ... ys-author/

The Camorra killed more people than Cosa Nostra, Calabria mafia, russian mafia, albanian mafia, more than ETA and IRA summed

By saying that the Albanians didnt kill nine people in nine days, your saying that BBC and the Italian government including Italy's prime minister and foreign minister of defence is lying. Which is just stupid to say. The Albanians killed all those people to consolidate their power in North Italy and to show that they are willing to kill anyone including the Italians in their own country.
naaaaaaaaaaah moron i'm saying balkanpeace.org or kosovhere.com lying LOOOOOOOOL they would kill anyone including southern italians? ahahahahahahaha they would litterally destroied in north italy and even europe included some balkan areas if they would go against italian mobsters i kid not you moron

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Unread post by VostokSila » December 20th, 2008, 2:02 pm

ahahahahahaha who says it moron? italians are stronger than russians everywhere europe canada us australia south america how can be the russians stronger? please take the facts moron ahahahahaha are you a red mafyass fan now? do you left the albanian-chickenthieves-gangs down? LOOOOOOL
Facts like you are getting?? half ass blogs and radio sites?? lol here is one... Askman.com, Russian mafia is #1!!! see..? I got you your kind of source.
ahahahahahahaah russian is a joke compared colombia or mexico idiot and its 2008 not 1993 the red mafyass is nothing today stop dreaming LOOOOOL italian mafia is far more violent than russian and albanian chickenthieves gangs only mexican cartels can match with them concerning violence LOOOOOL
In the 90's, murders in Russia passed Colombia and Mexico by FARR, lol even now Russia passes Mexico idiot, check facts dick breath.
I dont think its more violent.. infact I know its not more violent. There were not as many inter-mafia murders in italy as there were in Russia, or Albania.

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Unread post by Faciulina » December 20th, 2008, 2:05 pm

The Italians probably do exceed the Russians in Europe but its a close match between them. But your forgetting that the Russians have Russia on their side. A country of 150 million people. They control everything there. They are extended in the Middle East, South America, Mexico, America, Canada, Australia
ahahahahahah you forget than red mafya is not an unique organization like italian mafia its not compact just dozens of gangs not related eachother with tons of etnich different groups LOOOOOL you forget that russians are not in south america, australia or mexico and they don't run the whole russia that's your dreams putin and his men run russia not the mob LOOOOOL berlusconi has more links with italian mafia than putin with russian mob LOOOOOL and they are FAR weaker than italians in europe and north america
The Albanian and Russian mafia is alot more violent then the Italian mafia. Everyone knows this.
yeah everybody knows it LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

the criminal organisations such as the Camorra, the ‘Ndrangheta and Cosa Nostra, are the organisations that have killed the most people in Europe, much more than those caused by Islamic fundamentalism, which at present appears to be the daily obsession of the security of every country,

http://www.mafia-news.com/media-ignores ... ys-author/

It wasent from Balkanpeace.org or kosovehere.com. It was from BBC and your own prime minister and forieng minister of defence blamed the Albanian mafia. The Italian government stated that it was due to the Albanians wanting to take control of prostitution. They killed nine Italians to consolidate their power. I know it hurts you knowing that Albanians killed Italians in Italy over girls but its true. Sorry. Take it in, breathe and let go.
ahahahahahahaha moron first only 5 of the men killed were italians it was in 1997 if i'm not wrong but if the source was true what moron? the camorra alone kills 9 people just in a day LOOOOOOOL second i repeat you again it wasn't all murders linked with prostitution racket only 1 of them was and they were not all committed by albanians only 1 of them they were a mix of crimes not related each other and committed by different people from different countries although you claim they were committed by albania gangs ahahahahaha you are a bullshitter you do not know shit

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