Suspected Mafia Turfs?

American organized crime groups included traditional groups such as La Cosa Nostra & the Italian Mafia to modern groups such as Black Mafia Family. Discuss the most organized criminal groups in the United States including gangs in Canada.
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Suspected Mafia Turfs?

Unread postby youngspade » January 29th, 2010, 4:09 pm

I have a question, can anyone provide which families operate where and where they cant do business crossing eachother turf, include the 5 families and NJ Family!

Also, if possible, a little offsubject but, which OTHER Mafias or Organization are threating to Italians TURF? i.e Not too far from Italians but AINT italians and do business?

(Also, NO DRAMA, since I said this before hand, I expect, RESPECT and FACTS only.)

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Re: Suspected Mafia Turfs?

Unread postby thewestside » January 30th, 2010, 2:00 am

youngspade wrote:I have a question, can anyone provide which families operate where and where they cant do business crossing eachother turf, include the 5 families and NJ Family!


The main territory for the five families is obviously New York, as well as New Jersey. All of them also have operations in Florida, mainly the Miami/South Florida area. And the Genovese and Gambino families also have operations in Connecticut and Pennsylvania, as well as Massachusetts for the Genovese too. There really isn't strict geographical boundaries like in the old days. All five families operate throughout New York.

The Patriarca family operates in Boston, Providence, and in Connecticut. The DeCavalcante family operates in North Jersey. The Philadelphia family operates mainly in South Philly as well as South Jersey. The Outfit operates primarily in Chicago.

Also, if possible, a little offsubject but, which OTHER Mafias or Organization are threating to Italians TURF? i.e Not too far from Italians but AINT italians and do business?


Over the years there have been relatively few examples of the Mafia and other groups fighting over turf. The reality is each group has it's own territory and minds it's own sphere of influence.

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Unread postby youngspade » January 30th, 2010, 10:06 am

Westside, this post was MIANLLY for you anyway, but I was talking about Barrroughs! inside of NEW YORKS from STATE to CITY!

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Unread postby VsichkoEBosh » January 30th, 2010, 4:43 pm

youngspade wrote:Westside, this post was MIANLLY for you anyway, but I was talking about Barrroughs! inside of NEW YORKS from STATE to CITY!


You shouldn't be so much obsessed with the traditional groups. I'm a little drunk right now, but I can truly say that it's because they're entrenched is why they're good business partners for newcomers. :P

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youngspade wrote:Westside, this post was MIANLLY for you anyway, but I was talking about Barrroughs! inside of NEW YORKS from STATE to CITY!



Well like I said, generally speaking, all five families operate to one extent or another throughout New York City. The Genovese family's main presence is concentrated in Manhattan and the Bronx, as well as New Jersey. The Gambino's presence is a little more evenly spread out across the five buroughs, as well as New Jersey. The Luccheses main presence is in Brooklyn and the Bronx but also Manhattan and New Jersey as well. The Bonannos main presence is in Brooklyn and Queens but also in Staten Island and Long Island. The Colombos are the most geographically limited family, with most of their operations in Brooklyn and Long Island.

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youngspade wrote:Westside, this post was MIANLLY for you anyway, but I was talking about Barrroughs! inside of NEW YORKS from STATE to CITY!



Well like I said, generally speaking, all five families operate to one extent or another throughout New York City. The Genovese family's main presence is concentrated in Manhattan and the Bronx, as well as New Jersey. The Gambino's presence is a little more evenly spread out across the five buroughs, as well as New Jersey. The Luccheses main presence is in Brooklyn and the Bronx but also Manhattan and New Jersey as well. The Bonannos main presence is in Brooklyn and Queens but also in Staten Island and Long Island. The Colombos are the most geographically limited family, with most of their operations in Brooklyn and Long Island.



Thanks, so who is the closest threat to ITalian Terriotory?

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Re: Suspected Mafia Turfs?

Unread postby VsichkoEBosh » January 31st, 2010, 7:21 am

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youngspade wrote:Westside, this post was MIANLLY for you anyway, but I was talking about Barrroughs! inside of NEW YORKS from STATE to CITY!



Well like I said, generally speaking, all five families operate to one extent or another throughout New York City. The Genovese family's main presence is concentrated in Manhattan and the Bronx, as well as New Jersey. The Gambino's presence is a little more evenly spread out across the five buroughs, as well as New Jersey. The Luccheses main presence is in Brooklyn and the Bronx but also Manhattan and New Jersey as well. The Bonannos main presence is in Brooklyn and Queens but also in Staten Island and Long Island. The Colombos are the most geographically limited family, with most of their operations in Brooklyn and Long Island.



Thanks, so who is the closest threat to ITalian Terriotory?


Anyone who can be as entrenched as them and that requires full diplomatic support in their original country...like the Balkan groups, all the OC bosses I know in Macedonia whoever has the best connections never goes down and the people let it flow because he doesn't abuse his position. Cops can't regulate the bosses or criminals since the cops are the biggest criminals - every single one of the main bouncers working in mafia clubs and escorting drugs and prostitutes were in the special forces unit of the police forces.

Unfortunetly, not alot of these groups have enough manpower to be able to challenge the Cosa Nostra and those who do are usually just small time thugs - outcasts in their homeland - with lots of enemies who have been virtually banished and want to continue their criminal activities abroad --- especially outside the reach of the people who would regulate them back home. Europe is our turf. But America we don't mind much. All the bosses I know would only go to America for vacation, never business. Europe is a better OC destination because it's closer and it's divided - fuck the EU laws still work out on a local country by country basis...

So if you're wanted in some state and elude cops, your face will be posted all over America and eventually end up on CNN for the whole world to see. Europe values secrecy, at least in the eyes of the bosses. If you're wanted in Belgium, you won't be wanted in the Netherlands. But then again, Belgium might seek out help from Interpol and unless you've done something to interfere with the interests of the countries...your face won't be plastered all over the place.

On Wednsday I saw a man who was in the Iraq War in the Wolves special forces group and now works in my town regulating the known, younger enforcers. He's the right hand man of the individual that runs the cable industry in Macedonia, and the one who shot at his primary opponent in my town when he found out that this opponent's plan to take over his company. All of them were acquitted, regardless if the case was an assassination attempt.

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Re: Suspected Mafia Turfs?

Unread postby thewestside » January 31st, 2010, 10:26 pm

youngspade wrote:Thanks, so who is the closest threat to ITalian Terriotory?


I'm not sure I understand your question.

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Unread postby youngspade » January 31st, 2010, 10:54 pm

thewestside wrote:
youngspade wrote:Thanks, so who is the closest threat to ITalian Terriotory?


I'm not sure I understand your question.



Because, I know theirs Russian Communities, Chinese, Japanese Communities within Cosa Nostra's reach!

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Unread postby VsichkoEBosh » February 1st, 2010, 3:39 pm

youngspade wrote:
thewestside wrote:
youngspade wrote:Thanks, so who is the closest threat to ITalian Terriotory?


I'm not sure I understand your question.



Because, I know theirs Russian Communities, Chinese, Japanese Communities within Cosa Nostra's reach!


Don't count on the Japs nor the Chinese. The Japs mind their own business the most. The Chinese do so because it's in their tradition, one I respect. Fuck the youth they're spoiled everywhere. Russian groups are the biggest threat. Balkan groups are too disorganized, impulsive and have too much internal conflict to not get taken down by the feds. Even if Russian groups team up with the Balkan groups like they do in Europe(even though it's most of a South America-Russia-Balkans-Italy type of alliance), we might be able to provide a short term, high risk investment and it might be extremely profitable but for the West it's the reason why it will be short term lol..

Here there are the mafia/drug bosses who are literally living with impunity to international law let alone local laws. Whenever some EU or UN organization comes down to question them about their activities, they exit the building drunk with pockets full of cash and a huge smile on their face, and no blue balls..

Tons in coke, tons in heroin, and enough legitimate capital on a monthly basis on top of it alone to buy the Burj in Dubai.

The middle guy looking at the camera was in prison 2 years for a contract killing he was supposed to carry out but got set up by his own people, before that he beat people down for money that they owed to loan sharks and local bosses. Him and the guy on the right are in the team from my town representing Macedonia in wrestling. Guy on the right is Macedonia's champion, 2nd in the Balkans and 3rd in Europe in his catagory.

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Re: Suspected Mafia Turfs?

Unread postby Faciulina » February 1st, 2010, 4:01 pm

Because, I know theirs Russian Communities, Chinese, Japanese Communities within Cosa Nostra's reach!


are there japanese communities in the states? i've never hard about it, if you mean new york city the russians are mostly located in brighton beach - brooklyn and the chineses in chinatown - manhattan and flushing - queens, the albanians in astoria - queens and in the bronx, nobody of them are threats to the italians although some of them close to italian territories, they usually work for the mafia or are forced by the mafia to pay tributes

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Unread postby youngspade » February 1st, 2010, 11:46 pm

Faciulina wrote:
Because, I know theirs Russian Communities, Chinese, Japanese Communities within Cosa Nostra's reach!


are there japanese communities in the states? i've never hard about it, if you mean new york city the russians are mostly located in brighton beach - brooklyn and the chineses in chinatown - manhattan and flushing - queens, the albanians in astoria - queens and in the bronx, nobody of them are threats to the italians although some of them close to italian territories, they usually work for the mafia or are forced by the mafia to pay tributes



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Unread postby thewestside » February 2nd, 2010, 1:38 am

As I've said before, each group more or less has their own territory and sphere of influence. The Mafia has a working relationship with different groups. For example, in recent years the Bonanno family has run stock scams with the Russians, the Gambinos have run bookmaking operations with the Chinese, the Genovese have counterfeited money with the Latin Kings and used Albanians for home invasions, and the Lucchese have smuggled drugs and cell phones into prison with the Bloods.

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Unread postby Faciulina » February 2nd, 2010, 2:51 pm

i don't know where you live youngspade but if you think in new york or jersey there is some group even close to the mafia you litterally don't know what you're talking about, the mafia is present almost everywhere there, it's the strongest in all 5 districts and all the counties around, like long island westchester etc... whole districts like staten island are totally controlled by the mafia, all the other groups combined are not even close to the italian mafia in those areas

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Unread postby Coup » February 2nd, 2010, 5:27 pm

thewestside wrote:As I've said before, each group more or less has their own territory and sphere of influence. The Mafia has a working relationship with different groups. For example, in recent years the Bonanno family has run stock scams with the Russians, the Gambinos have run bookmaking operations with the Chinese, the Genovese have counterfeited money with the Latin Kings and used Albanians for home invasions, and the Lucchese have smuggled drugs and cell phones into prison with the Bloods.


Didn't you say once on here that the LCN doesn't do business with Black gangs? That the Black gangs have not structure or organization? This is a clear case of a Black gang working with LCN. In fact, LCN works regularly with Blacks, both gangs and organized crews throughout the US.

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Coup wrote:Didn't you say once on here that the LCN doesn't do business with Black gangs? That the Black gangs have not structure or organization? This is a clear case of a Black gang working with LCN. In fact, LCN works regularly with Blacks, both gangs and organized crews throughout the US.


I don't think I ever said that. They do. Though I'm not sure how "regular" it is. Over the past decade I can only think of a few cases where the mob and black street gangs have operated together. One was in 2004 when some associates of the Lucchese and Bonanno families were busted in New Jersey along with Blood street gang members for running an Oxycontin ring. Then there was the bust in 2007, also in New Jersey, involving the Lucchese family and the Bloods smuggling heroin and cell phones into prison. I'm sure there are other cases as well but they are in the minority.

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Unread postby Coup » February 3rd, 2010, 5:49 pm

Alot of so called connected guys do business with bangers....especially bangers that become smarter with their business...the older some of these G's get, the smarter their licks....I know of several in LA that got connected behind the walls or through the same lawyers..

This leads to my other point of their being several well placed crews....Black crews that are organized....I don't put them on the Italian level of having a "family" and shit, but there are and have been crews that make millions that were doing business nationwide...

The Bloods in NY must be a major factor if you have real deal Italians doing business with them....or is it that these Italians have to do business with the group with the power/influence on the street?

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Coup wrote:Alot of so called connected guys do business with bangers....especially bangers that become smarter with their business...the older some of these G's get, the smarter their licks....I know of several in LA that got connected behind the walls or through the same lawyers..

This leads to my other point of their being several well placed crews....Black crews that are organized....I don't put them on the Italian level of having a "family" and shit, but there are and have been crews that make millions that were doing business nationwide...

The Bloods in NY must be a major factor if you have real deal Italians doing business with them....or is it that these Italians have to do business with the group with the power/influence on the street?


The majority of the time one group sticks to it's own. But sometimes they do work together. The mob doesn't really have a presence in Los Angeles or anywhere else in California to be significantly connected to anyone, be it gangs or whoever. Sometimes there is a connection through a lawyer here or there. Suge Knight used lawyers that had defended mobsters in the past. But that's simply a case of the attorney defending one crook after another. Even in New York and New Jersey, where the mob has a major presence, it's still the exception rather than the rule for them to work with street gangs. But as we've seen, it does happen if they have intersecting interests and there is money to be made.

A good example is the 2007 bust involving the Lucchese family and the Bloods in New Jersey. Most of the indictment involved the Luccheses multimillion gambling operations. Another part of the indictment involved their efforts with the Bloods to smuggle heroin and cell phones into prison. But it wasn't a case of the Lucchese leaders and the Blood leaders sitting down at the same table and ironing out business. Edwin "Money" Spears, a "five star general" in the Nine-Trey Bloods Gang, never got anywhere near the Lucchese bosses like Matthew Madonna or Joe DiNapoli. Or even the Lucchese captain Ralph Perna. Rather he dealt directly with Joseph Perna, a Lucchese soldier.
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thewestside wrote:
youngspade wrote:Thanks, so who is the closest threat to ITalian Terriotory?


I'm not sure I understand your question.


Westside, Have any member of LCN switch sides? Ex: Gambino Soldier decides to join the Genovese family.

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Elimu wrote:
thewestside wrote:
youngspade wrote:Thanks, so who is the closest threat to ITalian Terriotory?


I'm not sure I understand your question.


Westside, Have any member of LCN switch sides? Ex: Gambino Soldier decides to join the Genovese family.



Good question, even off topic, it should be answered!

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Unread postby VsichkoEBosh » February 19th, 2010, 11:58 am

Elimu wrote:
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youngspade wrote:Thanks, so who is the closest threat to ITalian Terriotory?


I'm not sure I understand your question.


Westside, Have any member of LCN switch sides? Ex: Gambino Soldier decides to join the Genovese family.


I don't think that's possible, but let him answer the question.

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Unread postby thewestside » February 20th, 2010, 1:37 am

Nowadays that would be impossible. But back in the early days of the mob it was known to happen on occasion. For example, Joseph Valachi - the first member to flip - was actually with made into the Bonanno family before he became part of the Genovese.


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