2 Colombo rats revealed

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2 Colombo rats revealed

Unread post by thewestside » February 4th, 2011, 11:31 pm

So far it's 2 Acting Captains - Paulie Bevacqua and Anthony Russo. Bevacqua had been wearing a wire for 3 years and had recorded dozens of conversations, including with the top leadership of the family and several Captains. Just for the record, Russo is not related to Acting Boss Andrew "Mush" Russo, who is among those charged.

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Unread post by mayugastank » February 5th, 2011, 3:30 pm

Notice how any time in recent history a mobster gets a murder charge he quickly flips? Russo was overheard saying that their was a rat amongst their midsts and he would decapitate him.....lol. Funny how this new breed suburban white trash ---6th generation italians believe they arent white and still try to hang on to the gangster lifestyle of their forefathers.......When say you WETSIDE.....that we should eliminate the Colombo and Bonano crime families from the list of the big 5? I mean the FBI-the press-mob experts and just about everyone but you has said the Colombos are decimated possible finished. What about the Lucchese have they been ever able to get out the slump created by Gaspipe?

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Unread post by mayugastank » February 5th, 2011, 3:32 pm

thewestside wrote:So far it's 2 Acting Captains - Paulie Bevacqua and Anthony Russo. Bevacqua had been wearing a wire for 3 years and had recorded dozens of conversations, including with the top leadership of the family and several Captains. Just for the record, Russo is not related to Acting Boss Andrew "Mush" Russo, who is among those charged.

Wonder how the Genovese and Gambinos are going to react to the extremely high number of informers coming from the Bonanos/Lucchese/Colombos.......how many have we had flip in the lats year by my estimates we are at some 10. All the way around.

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Unread post by icegoodbarbPresident » February 5th, 2011, 4:28 pm

The Colombos depending on what happens at the trials of those indicted will maybe stay independent or will be absorbed into one of the families as a crew. The Bonanno and Lucchese crime families have really had no major informants since 2007 so they're doing alright but that could change with the next indictment they get hit with.

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Unread post by thewestside » February 6th, 2011, 1:11 am

mayugastank wrote:Notice how any time in recent history a mobster gets a murder charge he quickly flips?
There have been plenty of mafiosi in recent history that haven't flipped despite being charged with murder. You're left with nothing but hyperbole and exaggerations at this point.
When say you WETSIDE.....that we should eliminate the Colombo and Bonano crime families from the list of the big 5? I mean the FBI-the press-mob experts and just about everyone but you has said the Colombos are decimated possible finished.


First, it's obvious that you don't pay attention to what law enforcement or mob experts say, much less care. Law enforcement has become much more careful about predicting the imminent demise of the Mafia in New York. And it's precisely because they've done that in the past and ended up being wrong, as ongoing cases year after year show.

Second, unlike you, I go by the facts. And the facts in this case are that both the Colombos and Bonannos are still viable crime families that won't be disappearing any time soon. You, on the other hand, simply like to make up whatever suits your argument based on cherrypicked sources.
What about the Lucchese have they been ever able to get out the slump created by Gaspipe?
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "slump" but all Mafia families are in a steady decline. But it's a very slow process in New York. The Luccheses won't be going away any time soon either.

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Unread post by thewestside » February 6th, 2011, 1:16 am

icegoodbarbPresident wrote:The Colombos depending on what happens at the trials of those indicted will maybe stay independent or will be absorbed into one of the families as a crew. The Bonanno and Lucchese crime families have really had no major informants since 2007 so they're doing alright but that could change with the next indictment they get hit with.
The Colombos won't be absorbed. We're talking crime families here, not about legitimate corporations that merge with each other. We shouldn't rush to assume that many of these guys will be in prison very long. If it's anything like the Gambino bust in 2008, most of them will be out of prison in a few years after making plea deals. And there are still plenty of people in the Colombo family that will want to fill the positions. And on the flip side, it's not like people in other families are going to want to take Colombo people in with them and be responsible for them. People have always made to much about the talk of merging the Colombos back in that Commission meeting in the early 2000's. The other families will likely be more than happy to let the Colombos fend for themselves, much like they did with the Bonannos back in the day.

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Unread post by thewestside » February 6th, 2011, 2:00 am

George and Dave talk about people like mayugastank at about the 5:30 mark of this video.....


http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/mob ... own_012111

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Unread post by icegoodbarbPresident » February 6th, 2011, 11:41 am

This indictment is way different than Operation Old Bridge in 08') These Colombo guys are charged wuth murders, the only gambino guys charged with murder were Charles Carneglia, Vincent and Richard Gotti plus the Gambinos had no rats where is the Colombos have all these rats

Frank "Frankie Blue Eyes" Sparaco (Soldier) - flipped in 2010.
Dino "Big Dino" Calabro (Captain) - flipped in 2010.
Michael "Mikey" Souza (Soldier) - flipped in 2010.
Joseph "Joey Caves" Compatiello (Soldier) - flipped in 2010.
Sebastiano "Sebby" Saracino (Soldier) - flipped in 2010.
Paul "Paulie Guns" Bevacqua (Acting Captain) - flipped in 2011. Thomas Gioeli's right hand man wore wire for 3 years
Anthony Russo (Acting Captain) - flipped in 2011. High ranking capo has knowledge of all Colombo activities

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Unread post by FAVELA9 » February 6th, 2011, 8:39 pm

would it be better for lcn to become also a prison gang that from in there they would call the shots , or is the italion imate population low in numbers ?

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icegoodbarbPresident wrote:This indictment is way different than Operation Old Bridge in 08') These Colombo guys are charged wuth murders, the only gambino guys charged with murder were Charles Carneglia, Vincent and Richard Gotti plus the Gambinos had no rats where is the Colombos have all these rats

Frank "Frankie Blue Eyes" Sparaco (Soldier) - flipped in 2010.
Dino "Big Dino" Calabro (Captain) - flipped in 2010.
Michael "Mikey" Souza (Soldier) - flipped in 2010.
Joseph "Joey Caves" Compatiello (Soldier) - flipped in 2010.
Sebastiano "Sebby" Saracino (Soldier) - flipped in 2010.
Paul "Paulie Guns" Bevacqua (Acting Captain) - flipped in 2011. Thomas Gioeli's right hand man wore wire for 3 years
Anthony Russo (Acting Captain) - flipped in 2011. High ranking capo has knowledge of all Colombo activities
Well Operation Old Bridge grew out of the cooperation of turncoat Joseph Vollaro but he was only an associate.

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Unread post by thewestside » February 7th, 2011, 12:10 am

FAVELA9 wrote:would it be better for lcn to become also a prison gang that from in there they would call the shots , or is the italion imate population low in numbers ?
There are certainly a lot of LCN guys behind bars but it is an organization that makes it's living on the outside, not inside prison. For mob guys, it's usually about making a plea deal, doing as little time as possible, and then getting out.

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Unread post by mayugastank » February 7th, 2011, 12:30 pm

icegoodbarbPresident wrote:This indictment is way different than Operation Old Bridge in 08') These Colombo guys are charged wuth murders, the only gambino guys charged with murder were Charles Carneglia, Vincent and Richard Gotti plus the Gambinos had no rats where is the Colombos have all these rats

Frank "Frankie Blue Eyes" Sparaco (Soldier) - flipped in 2010.
Dino "Big Dino" Calabro (Captain) - flipped in 2010.
Michael "Mikey" Souza (Soldier) - flipped in 2010.
Joseph "Joey Caves" Compatiello (Soldier) - flipped in 2010.
Sebastiano "Sebby" Saracino (Soldier) - flipped in 2010.
Paul "Paulie Guns" Bevacqua (Acting Captain) - flipped in 2011. Thomas Gioeli's right hand man wore wire for 3 years
Anthony Russo (Acting Captain) - flipped in 2011. High ranking capo has knowledge of all Colombo activities

jees, 7 dudes in the last 2 years 3 captains. Why would any soldier follow a heirarchy command structure like this? My take on why the Bonanos/Colombos/Lucchese cant back from this is because Federal Indictiments in mafia cases usually go back decades on murder cases-when they bring a murder case its a capital offense and liable to end in a life term---the amount of cooperating witnesses in a murder is exasperating---when you have everyone who was involved in a murder testifying against you from the guy who ordered it to the guy who pulled the trigger ,while you drove the car what choice would you have but to flip. When mafioso flip they flip in numbers. People like this create a ripple effect and an organization like the mafia who doesnt have a strong pool of recruits and large numbers of rookie stars is really a surprise theyve lasted as long. Gangs in Los Angelos are routinely made members of the EME---their are thousands of gang bangers in Los Angelos to choose from--some highly intelligent high level drug dealers and men with supreme organizing skills---but New Yorks Italian community has been almost completely assimilated---their was an article I read that spoke on the hippie population and organic foods populations on New Yorks Greenwood Village being almost completely Italiano. The reason they flip is because they are white trash kids who watched a movie are looking for an identity and or grew this way. I read where Daniel Marino made friends with some kid with an Italian last name in the slammer and though the kid had no sense of his Italianness---he got made a Gambino somehow.....although no one but Marino knew him! This is what the LCN has become. Vincent Gotti was known as a no account loser drug addict who was kept away from LCN by his brothers for his skeeming ways---yet he was made a captain. He held on and didnt flip but he very well couldve had. Those in the Gambino Family who have flipped have seemed to me to be removed from the tight bonds of family that have kept most members in check. Most everyone in the Gambinos look related someway or another.

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Unread post by thewestside » February 7th, 2011, 1:19 pm

mayugastank wrote:jees, 7 dudes in the last 2 years 3 captains. Why would any soldier follow a heirarchy command structure like this? My take on why the Bonanos/Colombos/Lucchese cant back from this is because Federal Indictiments in mafia cases usually go back decades on murder cases-when they bring a murder case its a capital offense and liable to end in a life term---the amount of cooperating witnesses in a murder is exasperating---when you have everyone who was involved in a murder testifying against you from the guy who ordered it to the guy who pulled the trigger ,while you drove the car what choice would you have but to flip. When mafioso flip they flip in numbers. People like this create a ripple effect and an organization like the mafia who doesnt have a strong pool of recruits and large numbers of rookie stars is really a surprise theyve lasted as long. Gangs in Los Angelos are routinely made members of the EME---their are thousands of gang bangers in Los Angelos to choose from--some highly intelligent high level drug dealers and men with supreme organizing skills---but New Yorks Italian community has been almost completely assimilated---their was an article I read that spoke on the hippie population and organic foods populations on New Yorks Greenwood Village being almost completely Italiano. The reason they flip is because they are white trash kids who watched a movie are looking for an identity and or grew this way. I read where Daniel Marino made friends with some kid with an Italian last name in the slammer and though the kid had no sense of his Italianness---he got made a Gambino somehow.....although no one but Marino knew him! This is what the LCN has become. Vincent Gotti was known as a no account loser drug addict who was kept away from LCN by his brothers for his skeeming ways---yet he was made a captain. He held on and didnt flip but he very well couldve had. Those in the Gambino Family who have flipped have seemed to me to be removed from the tight bonds of family that have kept most members in check. Most everyone in the Gambinos look related someway or another.
1st - There was a similar short-term domino effect with rats in the Lucchese family in the 1990's, as well as the Bonannos earlier this past decade. Many made the same predictions you are now. But they ended up being wrong, just as you will be. Why is it so hard for you and others to understand that a New York Mafia family doesn't come to and end by one big indictment and even several high level rats? These are organizations that have existed for over a century now. They are certainly not what they were, and are in continual decline, but it's a very slow process.

2nd - Like others do, you are exaggerating the rat factor. Even today, for every guy that rats, there are many more that don't. As long as that's the case, these New York families will go on. Especially when most of them can make plea bargains and do much less time.

3rd - Why the lack of a recruiting pool has seen the demise and extinction of many other families around the country, the fact that the total membership levels in New York have remained relatively steady for years shows they still have enough to replace ones that have died. They're not growing by leaps and bounds but that's partly by design.

4th - Vincent Gotti was never made a captain. He got made because he was one of the Gottis but he has never risen above the level of soldier.

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