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Saddam tell Judge to "Go to hell" LOL

Unread post by MiChuhSuh » December 6th, 2005, 10:46 pm

I know this is serious, but the way he's acting is funny, hahahaha
Angry Saddam vows not to return to his trial
Iraqi ex-president lashes out as testimony ends, tells judges to ‘go to hell’


ImageStefan Zaklin / AP
Former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein yells during his trial on Tuesday, during which several witnesses recalled being tortured during his regime.


BAGHDAD, Iraq - Waving a finger and pounding his desk, Saddam Hussein told the judges in his trial to “go to hell” and vowed not to return to court Wednesday.

The outburst came at the end of a daylong session Tuesday in which a woman, speaking behind a beige curtain and with her voice disguised, told of beatings, torture and sexual humiliation when she was a teenager at the hands of security agents.

The ousted Iraqi president sat stone-faced and silent while she spoke. But after hours of testimony from the woman and another two witnesses, he exploded with anger.

Saddam, dressed in a dark suit and white shirt and clutching a Quran, complained that he and the seven other defendants were tired and had been deprived of opportunities to shower, have a change of clothes, exercise or go for a smoke.

“This is terrorism,” he declared.

Throughout the trial, which began Oct. 19, Saddam has repeatedly staged confrontations with the court and attempted to take control of the proceedings with dramatic rhetorical flourishes.

The defendants are charged in the deaths of more than 140 Shiite Muslims in retaliation for an assassination attempt against him in the town of Dujail in 1982. Saddam accused Iran of ordering the attempt on his life.

Five witnesses — two women and three men — testified Tuesday in the fourth session of the trial, all of them hidden from the public view and with their voices disguised to protect their identities.

Witness tells court of sexual abuse
The most compelling testimony came from the woman identified only as “Witness A,” who was a 16-year-old girl at the time of the crackdown. Her voice breaking with emotion, she told the court of beatings and electric shocks by the former president’s agents.

“I was forced to take off my clothes, and he raised my legs up and tied my hands. He continued administering electric shocks and whipping me and telling me to speak,” “Witness A” said of Wadah al-Sheik, an Iraqi intelligence officer who died of cancer last month while in American custody.

The woman broke down several times as she struggled to maintain her composure. “God is great. Oh, my Lord!” she said, moaning.

Such treatment of a young woman is gravely offensive in traditional Arab culture, and Saddam was careful to avoid any insulting gesture in Tuesday’s session, which was televised in Iraq. On Monday, he had angrily challenged male witnesses, insulting them and suggesting one needed psychiatric treatment.

“Witness A” strongly suggested she had been raped, but did not say so outright. When Chief Judge Rizgar Mohammed Amin asked her about the “assault,” she said: “I was beaten up and tortured by electrical shocks” but repeated that she had been ordered to undress.

“They made me put my legs up. There were more than one of them, as if I were their banquet, maybe more than five people, all of them officers,” she said.

“Is that what happens to the virtuous woman that Saddam speaks about?” she wept, prompting the judge to advise her to stick to the facts.

She later quoted a security officer as telling her, “You should thank your God because you are here in the Intelligence Center. If you were in the directorate of security, no woman would remain a virgin.”

Nevertheless, she also said security guards raped many fellow female detainees.

When asked by the judge which of the defendants she wanted to accuse, “Witness A” identified Saddam. “When so many people are jailed and tortured, who makes such a decision?” she said.

Saddam: ‘Go to hell’
By the end of the day, Saddam was back to his combative style.

“I will not return,” he shouted after the court decided to convene again Wednesday. “I will not come to an unjust court! Go to hell!”

Under Iraqi law, a court can force a defendant to attend a trial if he is not willing, said Iraqi lawyer Bassem al-Khalili.

But it was unclear whether the court would force the issue of Saddam’s attendance. The court has shown considerable deference to the former president, tolerating frequent outbursts in violation of local rules of procedure.

Measures taken to preserve the witnesses’ anonymity complicated the testimony. At first, defense attorneys complained they could not hear Witness A because of the voice distortion. The judge then ordered the voice modulator shut off.

However, the audience could not hear at all, so Amin ordered a recess, and the modulator was fixed, allowing all to hear.

Defense attorneys insisted on face-to-face questioning of Witness A and demanded that the defendants should also see her. So, after she gave her testimony for more than an hour, Amin ordered the session closed to the public, pulled screens in front of the press and visitors’ gallery, and cut the sound.

During direct testimony, Witness A said she was held and tortured at a detention facility in Baghdad before being taken to the notorious Abu Ghraib prison outside the capital. Later her family was taken to a desert facility outside the southern city of Samawah.

At the Baghdad facility, she said she was thrown into a room with red walls and ceiling inside an intelligence department building and that prisoners were given only bread and water to eat.

“After all this torture that we went through, would anybody still have an appetite to eat?” she said

Descriptive tales of torture
At Abu Ghraib, the guards stripped one of her male relatives, a deaf mute, and tied a rope to his genitals, pulling him into the cells where the women were kept, she said. Insects were everywhere — in cells and on their clothes, she said, adding that inmates used prison blankets to make underwear and fashioned shoes out of cardboard and strings.

She said one woman gave birth in the prison. “The baby got stuck between her legs. Another woman tried to help her, but the guards told her it was none of her business. The baby suffocated between her legs,” she said. She said her sister and sister-in-law also gave birth while in detention.

“I was freed at the end when I was 20,” she said. “All my friends became doctors and teachers, and I am now just a housewife.”

Later, a second woman took the stand, identified as “Witness B.” She said she was 74 and recounted how her family was arrested in 1981 — a year before the Dujail incident.

Until that point in her testimony, her voice was modulated. But again, the judge decided it wasn’t working properly. The system was turned off and all of the electronic feeds from the court room cut, including to the press gallery, before the witness could explain the relevance of a 1981 arrest.

“Witness C,” a man, testified that he was taken by security forces along with his parents and sister. They spent 19 days at the intelligence headquarters and 11 months in Abu Ghraib, where his father died after being beaten on the head, he said. Then they spent three years in the desert.

Saddam complains of his own detention
“At the intelligence headquarters, they put two clips in my ears,” the witness said, adding he was told that if he lied, he would be given an electric shock. When he answered a question, the shock was administered, he said.

“In prison they used to bring men to the women’s room and ask them to bark like dogs,” he said. “My father died in prison and I was not able to see him.” He added that his father, who was 65 and had heart problems, was kept in a room about 50 yards from him.

“How come you remember all these things?” Saddam asked.

“This was a great sadness to me,” the witness replied, “and I can’t forget a sadness.”

The testimony prompted an outburst from Saddam, who complained of his own conditions in detention. He said the court had time to listen to the witnesses’ complaints “but does anyone ask Saddam Hussein whether he was tortured? Whether he was hit?”

He urged the judge to investigate his conditions because “it is your duty as judges to investigate the crime at its scene.”

“I live in an iron cage covered by a tent under American democratic rule. You should come see my cage,” he told Amin. “The Americans and the Zionists want to execute Saddam Hussein.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10318347/

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » December 6th, 2005, 10:47 pm

^^^^^^^^
But seriously I hope he gets the harshest punishment possible

For those of you who said Tookie shouldn't be executed based on principle, waht about Saddam? Just Curious

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » December 6th, 2005, 11:19 pm

Whoever moved this, could you also move it to high profile court cases?

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Unread post by A Ghost » December 6th, 2005, 11:27 pm

I think that it's starting to sink into his head that he's already lost. I think he's starting to unravel.

As far as Tookie? Didn't Tookie also contribute to hundreds of lives lost due to Crip violence? Therefore I think that they are both going to end up paying the ultimate price for their crimes.

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Unread post by 'X' » December 6th, 2005, 11:36 pm

A Ghost wrote:As far as Tookie? Didn't Tookie also contribute to hundreds of lives lost due to Crip violence?
:?


How did this one Brutha contribute to hundreds of lives lost due to "crip violence" while being on death row for over 20 years? And for those who saying they following what Took started, I'm curious to see how many is going to "follow" the path the Brutha taking now by speaking out against the slaughter of our people and condeming gang violence, and are willing to make changes in their life for the better. If we can follow the ignorant the Brutha contributed to, then we should be able to go with the positive the Brutha is putting out now...

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Unread post by black » December 7th, 2005, 1:18 am

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A Ghost wrote:As far as Tookie? Didn't Tookie also contribute to hundreds of lives lost due to Crip violence?
:?


How did this one Brutha contribute to hundreds of lives lost due to "crip violence" while being on death row for over 20 years? And for those who saying they following what Took started, I'm curious to see how many is going to "follow" the path the Brutha taking now by speaking out against the slaughter of our people and condeming gang violence, and are willing to make changes in their life for the better. If we can follow the ignorant the Brutha contributed to, then we should be able to go with the positive the Brutha is putting out now...
people always look at the negative, never the positive.

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Unread post by black » December 7th, 2005, 1:19 am

that saddam shit was funny....

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Unread post by punamusta » December 7th, 2005, 6:17 am

Saddam is proud and he knows how to defend himself, that I'll give to him. For example picture George W. Bush into that same court room mumbling, losing words and making a jack out of himself. The big leader of the most powerful country of the world, hahaha.

It's a shame that they don't show in TV what Saddam speaks there, because I've heard he has kept some good speeches about the former US activities in Iraq. From the time US and Saddam were still the best friends and no american didn't care who many people he killed as long as the oil kept coming. US government even provided him the gas to kill those people.

That's why they don't even prosecute Saddam of the worst things he has done, because US helped him so much doing those things. The prosecutor was afraid that Saddam would let the whole world know the true nature of this whole war and this trial.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » December 7th, 2005, 9:54 am

^^^^^^^^
No, it's because he knows he lost already so he doesn't care

Read the article, at one point him and the other defendant were yelling "Just kill us now! Cmon!" and stuff like that. If Big W were in a court room, for whatever, he did not commit teh crimes Saddam obviously did, so he would have to stay proffessional and cautious because he would be serious about defending himself.

Saddam is just doing this to go out with a bang.

And ya, this is pretty funny, I saw in an article about his imprisonment, he gets all kind of special treatment because he threatens to accuse the US of torture if they don't, and then he tossed a bowl of cereal onto this one guard because it wasn't Raisin Bran, it was Fruit Loops which was "an insult"

LOL what an @sshole

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » December 7th, 2005, 9:58 am

lizard wrote:That's why they don't even prosecute Saddam of the worst things he has done, because US helped him so much doing those things. The prosecutor was afraid that Saddam would let the whole world know the true nature of this whole war and this trial.
It's because this is the most recorded incident with the most recorded and living victims to witness on it.'

And the courtroom, believe it or not, is Iraqi, it was there before the US came in, and they even had to take out a judge because his relative was a victim of Saddam so that would bias him against him. They went against the wishes of the US in bringing out some old evidence Saddam wanted to use. They are being surprising fair about this, if the soldiers who caught him had personal issues against Saddam, I'm sure most people would "accidently" fire off a few rounds...

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Unread post by punamusta » December 8th, 2005, 6:36 am

End Violence NOW wrote:It's because this is the most recorded incident with the most recorded and living victims to witness on it.'
"The very charges have been selected by Washington and the US-backed regime because they fit the political agenda of both. The killings in Dujail were hardly the worst of the Hussein regime’s crimes against the Iraqi people. But they were carried out in response to an attack mounted by guerrillas of the Dawa Party, of which Iraq’s current prime minister, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, is a member. The trial, which will reconvene on the eve of next month’s parliamentary elections, is clearly aimed at mobilizing Dawa’s Shia base."
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/nov20 ... -n30.shtml

"The Dujail massacre has been carefully chosen, instead of other Baathist crimes that were encouraged or sanctioned by the major powers. These include the slaughter of Iraqi Communist Party members in 1979; the murder of thousands of Shiites in the lead-up to the 1980 US-backed Iraqi invasion of Iran; the use of Western-supplied chemical weapons against Iranian troops and civilians during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war; the pogroms against the Kurdish population in the late 1980s; and the butchery of tens of thousands of Shiites and Kurds following the 1991 Gulf War."

"US is hoping to avoid any questions about its collaboration with the Baathist regime in the 1980s. Hussein could, for example, relate the discussions he held with US presidential envoy, and now secretary of defence, Donald Rumsfeld in 1983 and 1984, which led to US assistance to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war."
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/oct20 ... -o19.shtml

And the courtroom, believe it or not, is Iraqi, it was there before the US came in, and they even had to take out a judge because his relative was a victim of Saddam so that would bias him against him. They went against the wishes of the US in bringing out some old evidence Saddam wanted to use. They are being surprising fair about this, if the soldiers who caught him had personal issues against Saddam, I'm sure most people would "accidently" fire off a few rounds...
The judges of this court room are selected by the US government thru the Iraq's occupation regime, so it doesn't matter if it's in Iraq or if the judges are Iraqis. This court should be held in International Criminal Court, not in a country that is under an occupation.

About the legitimacy and the nature of Saddam's trial:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0, ... 13,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0, ... 45,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0, ... 18,00.html
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/04122005/325/u ... trial.html


And why aren't the US forces and Iraq regime being prosecuted of the crimes they have committed in Iraq? It's been proven that US forces used illegal weapons atleast in the city of Falluja where they killed 800 civilianz. And why there still is (US organized) death squads and secret torture centres in Iraq?

Why there is laws that apply only for the one side, but not for the other? I'm not pro-Saddam in any way, but I'd like him to have a fair trial, and that also the occupation forces would be charged of their equally severe crimes in Iraq.

About these crimes and other war crimes committed by the US forces:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00881.html
http://www.inmotionmagazine.com/opin/pr_uswc.html
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3 ... thsqu.html
http://www.albasrah.net/warcrimes.htm
http://deoxy.org/wc/warcrime.htm
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/internat ... 89,00.html
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/sep20 ... -s15.shtml

http://harrybrowne.org/articles/DogsOfWar.htm

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