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Unread post by Lonewolf » October 5th, 2004, 9:07 pm

Why is it that you can be sent off to a war and possibly end up dying, at age 18, but you can not buy a beer or allowed entry to a bar unless you're 21 ?

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Unread post by CHRIS » October 5th, 2004, 9:16 pm

LONEWOLF.....I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD BE TAKIN ARNOLD SWARZENEGGARS THRONE RIGHT AFTER HIM. IVE BEEN ASKING MYSELF THAT QUESTION FOREVER

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Unread post by Lonewolf » October 5th, 2004, 9:18 pm

I can't take the seat Homie, I'm liable to put us in a recession back to the 60's, LMAO :lol:

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Unread post by J-DUB » October 5th, 2004, 9:25 pm

LOL@LONE. I USE TO WONDER THE SAME THING.

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Unread post by Lonewolf » October 5th, 2004, 9:27 pm

jUST DON'T FLASH NO LIGHT ON MY EYES AT 3 A.M.

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Unread post by 1111§ » October 6th, 2004, 11:58 am

18 is good,but we´re allowed to drink at 16 in germany,but the authorities aren´t too strict so you have little 13 year olds runnin around drinkin brew n´liquor...

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Unread post by Panik » October 6th, 2004, 12:37 pm

the drinking age is on a state to state basis. not sure if it's still true,. but even just few years ago, there were still states that let you drink at 18.

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Unread post by Conman » October 6th, 2004, 2:48 pm

Let's expand this question:

It has been said that you can buy a rifle at 18, but can not buy a pistol until you are 21... Why is that?

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Unread post by Interested » October 6th, 2004, 5:47 pm

Politicans are dumb or lack some serious "COMMON SENSE".

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Unread post by J-DUB » October 6th, 2004, 6:07 pm

Conman wrote:Let's expand this question:

It has been said that you can buy a rifle at 18, but can not buy a pistol until you are 21... Why is that?
DAMN I NEVER HEARD ABOUT THAT BEFORE.

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Unread post by Panik » October 6th, 2004, 7:51 pm

becasue rifles and shotguns are technically for hunting. Pistols are only used to shoot people.

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Unread post by C_Ridah253 » October 7th, 2004, 9:29 am

I THINK THE LEGAL AGE FOR EVERYTHING SHOULD BE 21. FOR PISTOLS AND WHAT NOT THE SELLER OF THE GUN STILL NEEDS TO DO A back GROUND CHECC ON THE BUYER. YOU AN ADULT AT 18 SO U SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE ADULT CHOICES. EVERYTHING LEGAL AT 18...EVEN BUD...

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Unread post by WillieCreeper » October 25th, 2004, 11:52 am

You can't drink until 21 in this country because if they lowered the drinking age to 18 you would have a massive genocide involving drunk teens behind the wheel.

What we need here is a public transportation system like in most European countries -

Oh, I'm sorry, that would be too socialist. I probably just got on the FBI's most wanted list for just suggesting it.

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Unread post by Lonewolf » October 25th, 2004, 7:35 pm

I say, IF YOU'RE OLD ENOUGH TO DIE IN BATTLE, YOU'RE OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE A BEER, not drink and drive or drink and fock up - that is against the law for everybody else and for good reasons - so should it be for an 18 year old.

Two different issues in my book. BEING ALLOWED TO BUY A BEER as opposed to BREAKING THE LAW.

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Unread post by Lonewolf » October 25th, 2004, 7:49 pm

On the gun issue deal, If I remember correctly - all that sh*t about full auto, semi auto, shotguns, pistols and so on, has to do with clouding the issue with stuff like how fast can you mow down a school, and sport hunting versus criminal activities.
Guns don't kill people, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE, we have a constitutional right to own guns but we also have the right to have laws regulating the gun ownership of individuals whom have demostrated with past history that they can not be entrusted with a firearm - not fool proof but that is what we as a society should focus on.

For instance down here in TJ (all Mexico for that fact), it is illegal to own or have firearms, however "everybody" has them because it's a tradition per say, (we always had frontiersman throughout our history just like the u.s.a.), but nowadays needing them for protection in this crime ridden city full of home invasions, burglars, kidnappers, wanna-be drug barons and so on, guns is what keeps everyone on check to an extent - because you don't know if you break into this or that house if you're going to make it out alive - so you think about it, otherwise without guns in the hands of head of households this city would be a true wolves preying on sheep.

That's my take on the gun subject, we are not in a fairy tale - this is the real world.

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Unread post by WillieCreeper » October 26th, 2004, 10:57 am

On the guns issue - we don't have a constitutional right to carry guns. We have a constitutional right to bear ARMS. A nuclear weapon is an ARM. But the founding fathers probably didn't intend us all to be carrying around vials of anthrax for our personal protection, and as a result, courts INTERPRET the constitution in deciding what ARMS means. So - and this is not aimed at you LW, but just an important comment in general - people who point to their constitutional rights are simply not correct. We as a people have to decide the interpretation.

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Unread post by Lonewolf » October 26th, 2004, 11:20 am

WillieCreeper wrote:On the guns issue - we don't have a constitutional right to carry guns. We have a constitutional right to bear ARMS. A nuclear weapon is an ARM. But the founding fathers probably didn't intend us all to be carrying around vials of anthrax for our personal protection, and as a result, courts INTERPRET the constitution in deciding what ARMS means. So - and this is not aimed at you LW, but just an important comment in general - people who point to their constitutional rights are simply not correct. We as a people have to decide the interpretation.
I hear you WC, "RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS - NOT CARRY THEM", like I used to LOL.
Interpretation of the law is the on-going battle to this day.
My argument is that if you have a society that is educated and trained in the appropiate use of guns, then you should not try to restrict their constitutional right, instead apply the full adequate force of the law on those wishing to obtain them and those that violate their use.
In this day and age, we have becomed reactionary instead of being pro-active, that kind of trend continues to chip away and diminish our freedoms, and what if at some point in the future our goverment decides to strip us off all our rights - who will dare oppose them - I'm not thinking the unthinkable, just pointing out that our right to bear arms is a balance and check to our goverment in a ceratin way - so that it doesn't go in that direction "ever".

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Unread post by WillieCreeper » October 27th, 2004, 9:40 am

Having lived in Scotland for some time I have trouble agreeing with you lonewolf although I see your point. At one point when I was there, a man went to prison because he shot a robber who entered his home, with a gun he was not allowed to have. Unthinkable here in the US. But if you go over and check out the Scotland gangs threads, you'll see that Glasgow, with one of the worst heroin problems in Europe, still only deals with knife fights most of the time, and the very rare shooting.

I think it's funny that many 'conservatives' in this country are rabid about their right to arms (and this is no diss to you) but are willing to give up other rights so freely. Where were all the conservatives pissed off about the provisions in the Patriot Act? We can carry a gun, OK, but we can't read books we want without the FBI tracking us and using it as evidence that allows the US government to throw us in prison for YEARS without anyone knowing where we are and without us getting access to an

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Unread post by Lonewolf » October 27th, 2004, 10:03 am

I agree with you WC 100% on the problems with the Patriot Act passed into law under the threat of terrorism and the aura of a new age in communications. These are precicely the type of laws that we allow to pass without much thought, becoming reactionary and not being dilligent.
But this leads off topic and would be better served in a different thread.

In regards to gun ownership, surely the times have changed from the frontiersmen fighting indians and the wild west days of manifest destiny, but the mentality has survived and it is still embraced by society as a whole. Guns you may say is part of the American culture, without them "we" feel naked, with them "we" feel an assurance that no one can come and take away what is mine or ours without a fight, and as the motto goes "better to die fighting, than to live on my knees" is a reality in most peoples mind of whom see life for what is it "a struggle" that should not be entrusted so carelesly and easily to anyone.

We have a system in place that is used to regulate those wishing to aquire them, it is flawed big time, and needs to be re-vamped no doubt, however the application of the law to those that violate the law by committing crimes in possession of a firearm, has been to a large degree been lenient and very discouraging to say the least, that is where I beleive we have dropped the ball and are restricting the rights of regular-normal law-abiding citizens to own and keep firearms.

On a side note: No need to keep repeating that you're not dis' me, I welcome other points of view, I dislike narrow-mindedness big time, and just like other people have a problem with unrational haters - so do I.
Constructive conversation I'm all for that 100%, for I too am trying to climb out of many stereotypes and biases.

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Unread post by WillieCreeper » October 27th, 2004, 2:05 pm

Having lived in Scotland for some time I have trouble agreeing with you lonewolf although I see your point. At one point when I was there, a man went to prison because he shot a robber who entered his home, with a gun he was not allowed to have. Unthinkable here in the US. But if you go over and check out the Scotland gangs threads, you'll see that Glasgow, with one of the worst heroin problems in Europe, still only deals with knife fights most of the time, and the very rare shooting.

I think it's funny that many 'conservatives' in this country are rabid about their right to arms (and this is no diss to you) but are willing to give up other rights so freely. Where were all the conservatives pissed off about the provisions in the Patriot Act? We can carry a gun, OK, but we can't read books we want without the FBI tracking us and using it as evidence that allows the US government to throw us in prison for YEARS without anyone knowing where we are and without us getting access to an attorney.

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Re: 18 VERSUS 21

Unread post by Lonewolf » October 27th, 2004, 2:26 pm

yOU ALREADY HAD WROTE THE SAME, WHAT'S UP (?)

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